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Well as long as you get cruise insurance...I guess it is a good investment, hedging your bets. ha
But who is there to harvest the crops? The farmers usually bring in workers to help them do that work. And that is not possible right now with the pandemic.it just seems that this plan to divert the food/milk should have been in place.. back in Feb. Not a super easy task...but not impossible either. It just feels so personal...when I see, on our local news, all those corn and bean fields here in Florida just mowed right over. When I know how so many people right over in Lousiana have no food....
But who is there to harvest the crops? The farmers usually bring in workers to help them do that work. And that is not possible right now with the pandemic.
How many people are going to end up dead or spreading the virus after packing up into churches?
Much smaller country but you might find the contact tracing operation in Ireland interesting, where all close contacts of confirmed cases are contacted and told to isolate. Public health staff, army cadets and civil servants from departments that are currently less busy have been drafted in to do this work...
Coronavirus: The inside story of Ireland’s contact tracing operation
Public servants are making 2,000 calls a day to monitor and tackle the spread of Covid-19
Dr Greg Martin uses a resonant phrase when describing the contact tracing programme the HSE has mounted in Ireland to respond to the Covid-19 pandemic. “We are sort of building a plane while we are trying to fly it,” he says as he tries to explain the speed, and scope, and sheer breadth of the operation that has been put in place.
Ireland had its first case of confirmed Covid-19 on February 29th. And at time of writing, more than 6,000 cases have been confirmed in the country. Every one of those 6,000-plus people’s contacts has been contacted. In the beginning, that involved tracing another 40 people or even more. Now, with social distancing, it has become somewhat easier, an average of three per person.
Last Monday and Tuesday, 2,000 phone calls a day were made from the nine contact tracing centres around the country. By next week, it will be geared up to place 5,000 calls a day.
The team responsible for all of this has been scaled up from a few dozen people to a few hundred. It can become a few thousand if the outbreak continues to escalate at pace.
Martin, a public health specialist, refers to the UK where the contact tracing programme was quickly jettisoned on the basis it would be impossible to accomplish.
“Most countries have not even attempted this. Most countries didn’t think of this as something you could do. Ireland has done something that is, in my opinion, quite remarkable, especially given the timeframe within which it’s being done.”
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So far, there are 200 people working on the programme but in total 1,700 have received training in how to make the calls. From nine centres around the country, mostly on university campuses but also in the Curragh Defence Forces base in Co Kildare and the offices of the Revenue Commissioners, they place 1,000-2,000 calls a day, depending on how many new cases have been identified.
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Killian McGrane is the HSE lead on the programme and oversees the design and implementation of the scheme. One of his first realisations was that the system was never going to be without flaws, but that acting quickly was vital.
“The line of Dr Mike Ryan from the WHO that you don’t let perfection get in the way of good has been very much our mantra.”
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It has resulted in more than 60,000 personal contacts and a complex mapping of the State that identifies clusters, demographic information, and lifestyle and travel patterns.
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The process is broken down into three phone calls. Everyone who is diagnosed is required to supply a mobile number, which is contacted. In nursing homes and hospital settings, the information gathering is done in conjunction with specialist public health staff, or designated contacts, in situ.
Doyle explains what each call entails: “Call one is done by people who have a clinical background. They tell the person the result is positive, ask them about symptoms and give medical advice.” These people are in a position to make medical decisions if the person is symptomatic.
Call two is made about an hour later. It’s from a contact tracer in one of the centres. They go through a long list of questions and get details of all their contacts, and all of those details are entered into the information system. The person is asked to trawl back through all close contacts for the past fortnight, before they became symptomatic. Close contact is defined as closer than two metres for more than five minutes.
Call three is to all the contacts listed by the person who has a diagnosis. The person is not named and the contacts are asked if they have any symptoms. If they do, they are advised to contact their GP. They are all told to self-isolate for 14 days, irrespective of having symptoms or not. There are always medical personnel on hand in the centres to deal with health issues that might arise.
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As time moved on, the number of cases escalated. However, social distancing quickly led to a reduction of contacts, from an average of 20 down to three (in most cases within the same household).
“When we started on March 10th, our mandate was to to deal with 500 new cases a day,” says McGrane, who says the longer term plan was to scale up to 4,000 a day.
There has been some good news. “We haven’t needed anything like that but that’s the scale of the operation.” Some 1,700 people have been trained, about 200-300 of whom are currently deployed.
But long delays, of up to 14 days, in results for Covid-19 testing has made the situation more challenging. “Contact tracing is less effective in that timeframe,” says Martin. “It’s still important as you are still providing contacts with information. [But] the shorter you can make that time, the better.”
Last week, the National Public Health Emergency Team addressed that big delay by allowing contact tracing for presumptive, as opposed to confirmed, cases.
McGrane says it will lead to a big scaling up of numbers, putting them in a position to deal with 1,000 new cases each day. That’s 5,000 calls or more (1,000 from call one, 1,000 from call two, and an average of 3,000 from call three).
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Doyle and Martin have a message for the “unsung heroes” making those thousands of calls. “What they’re doing is saving lives by contributing to a process that is going to reduce the number of people who get sick in Ireland,” says Martin.
“Whatever this outbreak turns out to be, is going to be less than it would have been without the operation . . . The people whose lives they save will never even know that their lives were saved.”
Coronavirus: The inside story of Ireland’s contact tracing operation
I feel ya. I do. I’m blue too. I can’t sleep. I’m waiting to beGood morning here from a hopefully sunny and calm day in south jersey.
What a day yesterday was. Hubzy ‘s laptop quit on him 9ish a.m........
Meanwhile it is lashing it down outside and windy as...
Internet out at 10 a..m.......ok...now what the....ok...I’ll take my mid morning nap, no probs.
Woke up at 1pm.....no electric......still windy and raining.
I thought of the people in Mississippi and surrounding area that their lives and or homes. Reminding hubs that we are lucky.
Storms suck when they do damage like that !
Prayers to all affected.
I went to bed before sundown (as usual).....having faith in our electric company. In all my years in southern nj the electric is never out for long. ......but when I got up in by midnight it was still dark in the house. No electric.
An hour later I opened my eyes to see light streaming in under the door. Woot!
I think they are actually holding the "jumping the gun" back. They are closer to the real needs of those states. There is so much commuter traffic among those northeastern states. It has to be well coordinated.I understand why the governors are doing this but think they may be jumping the gun a little bit.
US governors announce multi-state pacts to begin easing coronavirus orders
He asked to lower the wages because our farmers are in dire financial straits. That is why so much food is being destroyed and not even harvested.Unemployment is about 30% and students are out of highschool and university. Although foreign agricultural workers have experience and training that students are lacking, farmers in Ontario are getting some of the critical, time sensitive work done with the help of local students.
One thing that greatly pained me in the news this week, was Trump's announcement that foreign workers could be paid less this year. That just seems so wrong. Why not give the farmers some support to hire these essential workers at a fair wage?
White House Seeks To Lower Farmworker Pay To Help Agriculture Industry
I/we greatly appreciate your digging on this.Thanks for the post and not shooting the messenger here but before WHO takes a beating, I want to watch the PC for myself and make sure this article is accurately presenting its assertions. I’m very behind on the conferences, I’m still on Apr 3 or 6 conference.
Eta: Because of the above quoted article, I might have to just skip straight to today’s conference, and try to go back later to the others I’ve missed if I can. I don’t want to miss a single Q&A with Dr. Mike and Dr. Maria.
Eta2: No way in hell these doctors are going to support something which is potentially the cause of a pandemic killing thousands of people and infecting 2 million. No way. These people, Doc T and company, are about saving lives and helping advise on containment, mitigation, research, prevention, etc etc. They want to fix the problem not recreate it. That I am sure of.
Something must be taken out of context or wrong with that article and I’m going to get to the bottom of it. Again not shooting the messenger.
I see it’s ABC news. I’ve commented on other threads that they are shoddy Imo and flat out incorrect sometimes. I have examples to prove it in other threads.
Going in for the PC.
And they are keeping them at sea I think I read. I fear for their health on there.ha ha.... What made last night's encounter unique was the context. And secondly, this was, if you like, a distillation...you are on a roll..hope you don't have a headache this morning.
The continued reporting of the USS Roosevelt are so awful. Over 600 have the virus.
well.. i learned something today. This just seems so strange when it seems like anything can get exported. And you love American cheese????? wow
Make that milk into American Cheese. Everyone wants it it seems.He asked to lower the wages because our farmers are in dire financial straits. That is why so much food is being destroyed and not even harvested.
The prices have dropped so low they cannot even sell it so they cannot afford to pay anyone to harvest it. With the schools and restaurants closed, there is not a market for all of the dairy products, etc.
It is amazing that your farmers are able to find students to come and do hard farm labor like that.
I'd be surprised if we could get any of our students to do so. I really would.
Dairy farmers forced to dump milk as demand drops amid coronavirus closures
Dairy farmers forced to dump milk as demand drops amid coronavirus closures
“You can't shut down cows. You can't turn them off like a faucet,” one farmer tells NBC News about the sudden drop in demand for dairy products.
Dairy farmers have faced a crash in milk prices amid the coronavirus pandemic in the last month when restaurants, workplaces and schools shuttered across the country. Many dairy operations have even dumped their cows’ milk as the initial splash of at-home consumption has tapered off and the restaurant industry has nearly disappeared.
“You can't shut down cows. You can't turn them off like a faucet,” Zoey Nelson, 27, a sixth-generation dairy farmer in Waupaca, Wisconsin, told NBC News. “Just to see it literally going down the drain — it's devastating.”
The Center for Dairy Excellence called the effect of the coronavirus on the industry “unprecedented in terms of its magnitude, its reach and its complications.” Grocery stores across the country have set purchase limits for certain products — including milk — in an effort to prevent panic shopping. This, combined with the decrease in food service demand where dairy products are usually consumed at restaurants or schools, has had a significant impact.
“We’re seeing a demand decrease of approximately 12 to 15 percent across the entire United States,” Jennifer Huson of the Dairy Farmers of America said on a dairy industry call this week, “and those demand changes are resulting in a lot of uncertainty.
Unlike many other agricultural commodities, milk is perishable and cannot be stored for a later date when the market demand and price rise.
Nelson, along with her sister Sydney Brooks and other family members, produce milk with an operation of 600 cows. They sell all of their milk to a Wisconsin-based cheese company and find themselves among those forced to pour out their milk.
Before the pandemic hit the United States, dairy farmers had already faced drops in prices by roughly 40 percent over the last six years, a dip that has come as a result of a glut of product in the American dairy market, the expansion of corporate farming and an increase in the consumer consumption of milk alternatives, such as soy, almond and oat milk.
“The fear of the unknown has crashed the price by almost one-third of where it was at [in the last month],” said Stephen Maddox, a Riverdale, California, dairyman who operates a farm with 3,000 cows. He also employs 65 workers and said that he would have to temporarily shut down operations if one of the workers contracted the virus.
Make that milk into American Cheese. Everyone wants it it seems.
More people need to support their local politicians by turning their odd phrases into positives.
"When Premier Stephen McNeil scolded his fellow Nova Scotians last week by sternly telling them, “We need to stay the blazes home,” he unleashed an expression that has taken on a life of its own. What may be one of the most Maritime phrases ever uttered by a public official has taken off around Nova Scotia, plastered on coffee mugs, emblazoned on apparel and inspiring songs.
My Home Apparel, a Truro, N.S., company, has sold thousands of “Stay the Blazes Home” T-shirts and has donated all the proceeds – $90,000 in two days – to local food banks, homeless shelters and a Nova Scotia COVID-19 relief fund.
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The phrase inspired a pharmacist from Pugwash and a songwriter from Port Hawkesbury to write a Celtic song urging people to follow physical-distancing guidelines. Halifax rock band the Stanfields joined in with a kitchen party-themed song with a “Stay the blazes home” chorus, while others have written similar songs set to accordions and acoustic guitars."
Nova Scotia Premier’s plea to ‘stay the blazes home’ becomes rallying cry in fight against COVID-19
That doesn't sound good. Having such a severe reaction to cavities suggest he has an infection that has moved beyond the tooth area. He'd need to be on antibiotics before any extraction or work could be done. It sounds like an emergency to me. Call another dentist.
Tooth abscess - Symptoms and causes
Somewhat related news segment
RED BANK - Restaurant Nicholas, an upscale eatery in town, wants a superior court judge to declare that insurers have to pay for business losses caused by the state-ordered shutdowns in the fight against the novel coronavirus.
The restaurant filed suit in Monmouth County Superior Court against Liberty Mutual Insurance arguing the insurer is obligated to pay for the restaurant's losses caused by Gov. Phil Murphy's Executive Order 107, which restricts the restaurant's business to take-out only.
The lawsuit, which seeks a declaratory judgment against Liberty Mutual, is among what is likely to be a cascade of lawsuits aiming to parcel out who gets saddled with business losses tied to the pandemic. The suit was filed Friday.
Some insurance companies have already begun to send letters to policyholders informing them that their policies exclude losses resulting from a virus or bacteria, which would include coronavirus. See this letter from Traveler's Insurance to its policyholders regarding COVID-19.
A bill introduced in the New Jersey Legislature would require insurance companies to cover business interruptions due to global virus transmission or pandemic, such as COVID-19.
According to the lawsuit, the restaurant claims Liberty Mutual is obligated to compensate Restaurant Nicholas for losses under coverages known as business income, extra expense, and civil authority.
Under these coverages, the lawsuit argues, Liberty Mutual is obligated to pay for losses that occurred during a suspension of operations that were caused by direct physical loss, damage or caused by a civil authority, such as Murphy's order.
The governor's order bars nonessential businesses from operating and restrictions restaurants to takeout or deliver.
James Maggs, the attorney for Restaurant Nicholas, said they haven't filed a claim with Liberty Mutual yet, but are looking to get a judge's ruling requiring insurance companies to pay for business interruption losses caused by COVID-19 social distancing measures.
Coronavirus in NJ: Should insurers be on the hook for Shore businesses' COVID-19 losses?
COVID-19: Business Interruption General Information
Understanding Your Insurance Policy
COVID-19: Business Interruption General Information | Travelers Insurance
@KALI Have you read anything like this in your state?