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Hey all. Been away for a while because I broke my ankle.

The way 2020 is going, I don't think I ever want to leave my house again.
The county next to mine reported an 80 percent increase in virus cases for the past two weeks. That is super scary.
State officials monitoring COVID-19 spike Morgan County

The news keeps showing local protests and the protestors are standing right next to each other.
Pictures of the protestors -
PHOTOS: Group marches for change in downtown Huntsville

My fear and anxiety just keep on escalating.

The Twilight Zone continues.
 
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They still aren't complying as far as I can tell. Lots of people not wearing masks.
Chippewa Falls, WI today. Stopped at a marina restaurant and sat outside on deck. Not one person (inside or outside) was wearing a mask - not even servers. No social distancing. Server stood so close I felt uncomfortable. Child about age 6 was present in a group of seven, sitting about a ft apart. Went by the bar inside to use the bathroom. No social distancing there, for certain.
It was as if coronavirus had never happened and wasn't about to happen again.
 
The men in my life have no problem with it. But the guys in the tiny town next to me who frequent the little grocery store - another story. Except this time more were wearing them, and they were Cubs masks.
Mine wear them too. No problem. I shop during senior hour and everyone wears masks at Aldi. All the men wear the plain white masks.
 
I screw something up every time I leave the house. Just do your best.

Me too. So does DH. He gets more upset about it than I do.

I thought about you today because I felt really fine in my mask. I didn't make it myself, it's one of those with a pocket for a filter, and it is bamboo fiber with one layer being moisture proof - then I put an N95 filter into it.

Some minor research suggests that the nasal passages are the entry route into the nervous system (thus causing many serious symptoms). So I've been thinking we should just wear swimmer's nose plugs and our masks and be mouth breathers for the brief time that we're out. Sounds ridiculous, right?

But not to everyone. On the medical boards, people are seriously discussing nose plugs and nasal rinses once home.

I haven't been to a single indoor place other than my house since March 13. Your mask advice has made me confident to at least go out and about, outdoors. Talk to people through car windows, etc. Be with daughters at the park.
 
And here's some not so good news out of AZ where Ducey pretty much flung everything here open a few weeks ago...

https://twitter.com/12News/status/1269107268555091969

When I saw the projections for AZ, I was really shocked and upset. AZ has been protected a bit by its geography, but now, it's becoming endemic. Hard to second guess the date of closing - but the reopening was ill-timed.

Stay safe, Arizonans. Wear your masks, get the best masks you can. Wear your sunglasses, stay outdoors, avoid A/C, and wash your hands 12X a day.
 
Me too. So does DH. He gets more upset about it than I do.

I thought about you today because I felt really fine in my mask. I didn't make it myself, it's one of those with a pocket for a filter, and it is bamboo fiber with one layer being moisture proof - then I put an N95 filter into it.

Some minor research suggests that the nasal passages are the entry route into the nervous system (thus causing many serious symptoms). So I've been thinking we should just wear swimmer's nose plugs and our masks and be mouth breathers for the brief time that we're out. Sounds ridiculous, right?

But not to everyone. On the medical boards, people are seriously discussing nose plugs and nasal rinses once home.

I haven't been to a single indoor place other than my house since March 13. Your mask advice has made me confident to at least go out and about, outdoors. Talk to people through car windows, etc. Be with daughters at the park.
I'm so glad!

I have a bit of a tough time at different points in the day when I have to wear it for over 6 hours. I just wish the people I work with were more conscious of how they wear and handle their masks.

I'm still pretty anxious about being at work with others.
 
Epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins, along with former CDC Director and 100 public health professionals are supportive of the mass protests in spite of risk of coronavirus.

“We should always evaluate the risks and benefits of efforts to control the virus,” Jennifer Nuzzo, a Johns Hopkins epidemiologist, tweeted on Tuesday. “In this moment the public health risks of not protesting to demand an end to systemic racism greatly exceed the harms of the virus.”

The outlet also noted that former Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Tom Frieden, who strongly warned against efforts to rush reopening, is now supportive of mass protests. (The current CDC director has taken a more cautious tone.)

Meanwhile, the Atlantic reported on a letter signed by 100 people in the public-health community, first drafted by infectious-disease experts at the University of Washington, which reaches the conclusion that the protests are OK.


Officials who pushed strict lockdowns now argue protesters are an exception
 
I drove home from work today, traffic, stores were busy, restaurants full. What was the point of the world stopping in March? Why didn't people just Social Distance and start wearing masks then?

What is the point of cancelling weddings, concerts, rodeos, when 1000's of people are protesting every where?

1. To keep hospitals from overflowing and more people dying.
2. To delay the peak of the infection until medical science could devise even remote ideas of how to treat it.
3. To give the elderly and those with underlying conditions a chance to shelter.
4. To decrease the spread and death among health care professionals.
5. To keep front line, essential employees (yes, including LE, but also of course Doctors, Nurses, EMT's, Firefighters, Physical therapists, teachers, childcare workers, not to mention truck drivers, food stockers, grocery workers) from getting a consistently high viral load. And dying.

We should have started wearing masks in February (like South Korea or Japan or China or Republic of Georgia) or at least by March 1 (like Turkey or Greece). We should have social distanced, but probably in a more measured way - but hey, we had no plans, unlike much of the so-called Third World.

World didn't stop. Of the almost 200 nations, some slowed to a near stop, others allowed more commerce but with strict use of masks and distancing, and also keen attention to avoiding mass gatherings and even other less risky behaviors that still transmit.

I have no idea who is protesting (no one I know is rioting or protesting, nor does my region have much of that) but it has nothing to do with canceling weddings or rodeos. Perhaps people should have been allowed to do those things, but with contact tracing (like much of the rest of the world). Then, each bridge and groom could decide on their own whether they wanted their guests to get the dreaded notification: you've been exposed to CoVid, with employer notified, as well as other contacts.

While I agree that the lockdown increased anomie and angst, I don't in any way think that CoVId is responsible for the exact form of this civil unrest. People who shove girls to the ground, people who go out of their way to run over someone (and their dog) because of perceived political views - that's not CoVid. Police who shove old people, police who suffocate people - this is all at the root of those protests, not CoVid.

If it hadn't been CoVid, it would be one of the other looming viral crises (or weather crises).

That's something else that's very deep and historical that's going on.

But the world did not stop. Many nations are going along, much as usual, but with more effective control over CoVid because they already knew what a plague was. They already knew that they didn't have hospital care.

Americans are just now waking up to how thin the "thin green line" of healthcare workers actually is. And it is now thinner. And I think it's going to get even thinner.
 
I see a lot in my area who are complying with the mask order, and I don't think a lot of them would have right out of the gate in March.

Very few people get actual education about world health. They don't even watch things like Baraka, to see what it's like elsewhere. My students cannot tell me when the 101 freeway cut through Los Angeles, much less what polio is.

When I was in high school, there were still kids who were polio survivors. At university, I learned about victims of more rare and grave diseases, as they were my classmates. I could see them. Then later, I started really learning about disease - how in nutritionally poor environments, an ordinary disease like the flu could have much higher rates.

To educate the vast majority of the public, we need old school PSA's, celebrities getting perks for educating and doing ads for public health, etc. Instead of worrying so much about who is the most beautiful or the most athletic, students in high school should learn a little bit about health - and also ordinary economics.

This then has to be reiterated (as it is in some places) over and over, so that many people get it.

Most people can't really say what a virus is - nor do they know what RNA is, and why, short of prions, an RNA-based virus can really mess with the species. And other factors (especially nutrition but also modern living and overcrowding) make us ripe for the picking - for a virus that wants nothing more than to live and reproduce at maximum volume.
 
Hey all. Been away for a while because I broke my ankle.

The way 2020 is going, I don't think I ever want to leave my house again.
The county next to mine reported an 80 percent increase in virus cases for the past two weeks. That is super scary.
State officials monitoring COVID-19 spike Morgan County

The news keeps showing local protests and the protestors are standing right next to each other.
Pictures of the protestors -
PHOTOS: Group marches for change in downtown Huntsville

My fear and anxiety just keep on escalating.

The Twilight Zone continues.

Can relate. It will get better. Time is on our side! If you don't need to leave your house, then don't - it's a great time for nesting and getting new interests and hobbies.

Things will really get better and we'll all learn to cope.
 
I'm so glad!

I have a bit of a tough time at different points in the day when I have to wear it for over 6 hours. I just wish the people I work with were more conscious of how they wear and handle their masks.

I'm still pretty anxious about being at work with others.

Oh dear. Well, yeah - if I had to wear it for 6 hours, that would be not great. Today, at the vet's, the workers were peeling it back from their noses when they went outside for 10 minutes each time to collect new patients. I felt so bad for them - wearing it more than 30-4o minutes is really hard for me.

Six hours is too many - why don't workplaces make changes? I do realize that some workplaces have such a steady stream of potential carriers, it's crazy. In the 60's and 70's, many people (for various reasons) took voluntary pay cuts - but if and only if they were sharing their job with another work and could arrange their hours and breaks in conjunction with their work-partner.

Because of you, I have developed quite the procedure for going out (plastic bags for good things, other bags heading for the trash; more than one mask; better more breathable masks; and now I'm thinking visors too).

I just can't afford to die just yet - and I do NOT want to be in a hospital at all, much less for 20-30 days.

Still - the fact that you are all wearing masks is really good and is so much of the battle. The likelihood of you or I getting CV is much lessened - but I worry about your discomfort. I am lucky to actually be able to work from home.
 
You'll be okay. :) Safe travels![/QUOT

Well, here we are at a motel-hotel outside of Atlanta and guess what? there are lots of protesters staying here!!! so i am freaking out- they were probably occupying the very room we are now in-- Oy Vay-- we really had no choice; my husband is tired of driving and as i think about it, probably all the motels and hotels around Atlanta are filled with protesters

Thank you for taking this journey with me-- it is an emotional struggle= praying that we can get thru this with our mental and physical health intact
 
It occurred to me that we're going to have a real life experiment on this virus, and assuming it's still active, might even glean some useful information.

We can all agree that these protests lend themselves to Zero Social Distancing. That leaves only a couple of potential minimization factors as possibilities. The wearing of masks is one, and although many at these protests are not wearing them, it seems like a majority are. The other potential for decreasing the virus' spread is being outdoors. So if we can determine new cases based upon attendance at these rallies, we might be able to break down details, and see if either of these minimizing factors is effective.

The other "experiment" is with the re-openings that are going on everywhere. Most of those, including restaurants, bars, stores, casinos, offices, etc., are indoors. And many don't have any sort of mask requirement. Yes Virginia, the casinos in Vegas actually have no mask requirement, and sorry, but Santa's not real. The protests are Large, they're happening in most of the country, and getting a lot of attention in the media. But that's still a minority and everyone not part of that group, are going to be part of the much larger test group that's just going about life once more, as if the virus did not exist.
 
Get some good rest and try not to think about it too much. Safe, happy travels! BTW, if motels there are full of protesters, I do wonder where they are all coming from and if this is the same case in and around other cities ? Inquiring minds :)
 
Hey all. Been away for a while because I broke my ankle.

The way 2020 is going, I don't think I ever want to leave my house again.
The county next to mine reported an 80 percent increase in virus cases for the past two weeks. That is super scary.
State officials monitoring COVID-19 spike Morgan County

The news keeps showing local protests and the protestors are standing right next to each other.
Pictures of the protestors -
PHOTOS: Group marches for change in downtown Huntsville

My fear and anxiety just keep on escalating.

The Twilight Zone continues.
You broke your ankle?! I am glad you are back to join us and hope it heals quickly!
Hang in there.
 
@ilovewings
Depends on which side of Atlanta for the hotels. (North versus south of the city)
I’m guessing you’re going home via I-85?
If so, be careful going through South Carolina. Unmarked cars and road construction.
Some of the Pilot gas stations have masks and all sizes of hand sanitizer for sale near the registers.
 
Dr. Anthony Fauci says large protests taking place across the country are 'a perfect set-up' for spreading COVID-19

Dr. Anthony Fauci says large protests taking place across the country are 'a perfect set-up' for spreading COVID-19

Grace Panetta
2 hrs ago
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  • Dr. Anthony Fauci said that many of the protests against racism and police brutality taking place across the country, involving congregation of large crowds, raises the risk for transmission of COVID-19.
  • Fauci told DC-radio station WTOP on Friday that "it is a perfect set-up for the spread of the virus in the sense of creating these blips that might turn into some surges."
  • Fauci emphasised that while protesters have a constitutional right to demonstrate, people gathering closely together, chanting, and possibly not wearing masks increases the likelihood of more outbreaks.
Well what a surprise.
 
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