Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #73

[MrX]

Why does it seem impossible?

It's hard to explain - almost has to be experienced. A good example is a restaurant in a small town outside of Phoenix. The owner decided that she couldn't survive another week of being closed, so she defied the State's lock down order and opened her restaurant for dine-in service. The authorities came and told her close, she told them they'd have to arrest her, and her customers cheered as they continued eating. The authorities left. My wife and I went up there, to see what was what, and were shocked to be surrounded by a large crowd of people, many carrying guns, waiting two hours for a table. This was a short drive from one of the largest cities in the country - I can't imagine what's like in more rural areas.

So I guess I think it's impossible because there are places where people won't behave the way they did in NYC,

 

[HongKongPhooey]

Why did you have to have info from China? It was far newer to China than anywhere else. How much info did you get from Italy, who had it far worse and for much longer?

I think we all needed more info from China tbh.

When it hit Italy, for us Brits it was a big shock. My town has a huge Italian population; Italy feels like a neighbour to us. Many of us have travelled there and know its cities. At that point it felt shockingly close to home. No longer a strange disease, apparently caused by strange practises in a land far away. It was on our doorstep and it was suddenly affecting our friends and neighbours. I had my haircut early in March and my Italian hairdresser was distraught, devastated.

Even then, I'm ashamed to say I thought they were hit bad because of multi generational families living in apartments, shopping in busy market places.... All those thoughts, stereotype assumptions.

Then it hit us, three weeks later more or less.

 

[Clair Louise]

I don't think it is fraud. I think it is confusion or employee error, in many cases.

Another example:

Autopsy shows Wellington nurse died of kidney infection, not COVID-19

Autopsy shows Wellington nurse died of kidney infection, not COVID-19

WELLINGTON, Fla. (CBS12) — A report from the Palm Beach County Medical examiner obtained by CBS12 News shows that a young Wellington nurse believed to have passed from COVID-19, was never infected with the virus at all.

The report shows that 33-year-old Danielle DiCenso died from "complications of acute pyelonephritis," otherwise known as a kidney infection.


I-Team: Deaths incorrectly attributed to COVID-19 in Palm Beach County

I-Team: Deaths incorrectly attributed to COVID-19 in Palm Beach County


WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — A 60-year-old man who died from a gun shot wound to the head.

A 90-year-old man who fell and died from complications of a hip fracture.

A 77-year-old woman who died of Parkinson's disease.

These are some of the deaths in Palm Beach County recently, and incorrectly, attributed to COVID-19 in medical examiner records.

The CBS12 News I-Team uncovered several examples in Medical Examiner reports of people counted as a COVID death who did not die of COVID.

We requested a list of all COVID-19 deaths in Palm Beach County from the Medical Examiner's office and received a spread sheet of 581 cases.

Each person on the spreadsheet is someone who tested positive for COVID-19.

I don't believe that report and the headline does not match the story. Why would medical professionals be doing this?Moo

 

[margarita25]

Yeah I’m focused on the death stats now. That’s what is especially relevant in the thick of analyzing the data imo.

How many people died today?

eta: I can’t believe I’m typing this

 

[Clair Louise]

I think we all needed more info from China tbh.

When it hit Italy, for us Brits it was a big shock. My town has a huge Italian population; Italy feels like a neighbour to us. Many of us have travelled there and know its cities. At that point it felt shockingly close to home. No longer a strange disease, apparently caused by strange practises in a land far away. It was on our doorstep and it was suddenly affecting our friends and neighbours. I had my haircut early in March and my Italian hairdresser was distraught, devastated.

Even then, I'm ashamed to say I thought they were hit bad because of multi generational families living in apartments, shopping in busy market places.... All those thoughts, stereotype assumptions.

Then it hit us, three weeks later more or less.

But what information do you think China had? Why didn't Italy give out information. It is a brand new virus. China had no way of knowing more than any other country. It was on the news every day what China was doing. They were quarantining and isolating. Because other countries chose not to do that, is not China's fault. MOO.

 

[SouthAussie]

I think we all needed more info from China tbh.

When it hit Italy, for us Brits it was a big shock. My town has a huge Italian population; Italy feels like a neighbour to us. Many of us have travelled there and know its cities. At that point it felt shockingly close to home. No longer a strange disease, apparently caused by strange practises in a land far away. It was on our doorstep and it was suddenly affecting our friends and neighbours. I had my haircut early in March and my Italian hairdresser was distraught, devastated.

Even then, I'm ashamed to say I thought they were hit bad because of multi generational families living in apartments, shopping in busy market places.... All those thoughts, stereotype assumptions.

Then it hit us, three weeks later more or less.

I don't think any of us needed info from China ... once we knew there was a highly infectious coronavirus on the loose.

We all have infection and disease control specialists. We all know that travel is a primary contributor to the spread. Most every country has had to deal with a pandemic in the past.

Countries were way too slow in giving their own citizens good leadership instruction. imo

 

[katydid23]

I don't believe that report and the headline does not match the story. Why would medical professionals be doing this?Moo

According to the article, some of them are just clerical errors:

"The I-Team took our findings to the Palm Beach County Medical Examiner's office, and Operations Manager Paul Petrino said the eight we flagged were in fact errors, and should not have been on their spreadsheet.

He said office is in the process of removing them.

We asked Petrino if these erroneous deaths were reported to the state Department of Health and counted toward official COVID death counts, and he said the DOH should have caught the mistakes and not included them. ''



However there are other possible questionable results as well:

She said of the 581 deaths on the spreadsheet, only 169 deaths are listed as COVID without any contributing factors.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

But what information do you think China had? Why didn't Italy give out information. It is a brand new virus. China had no way of knowing more than any other country. It was on the news every day what China was doing. They were quarantining and isolating. Because other countries chose not to do that, is not China's fault. MOO.

I didnt say it was China's fault. We just needed the maximum information available. They had it first. Whatever they knew, we needed to know. Whether we had all the information or not, one day maybe we will know for sure.

My comment was primarily about Italy, and how that affected us but I think you missed my point.

JMO

 

[Trino]

Yeah, she has to step out in front of this - as best she can (the relevant parties all over the US are *not* going to listen).

For example:

Pennsylvania man opens fire on cigar store and then has shoot out with police - over masks.

He used an AK-47 in the assault on the police.

Someone near the top of the administration has to say something. But at this point, only a massive, federally-sponsored PR campaign involving every form of media would work. There needs to be a constant, steady message about what the virus actually is, what the pulmonary response is (and yes, introduce people to a bit of anatomical information) and then constant showing of graphs and data for each region.

And *every* government employee (including all those sheriffs refusing to wear masks and to enforce) has to be put on federal notice and there needs to be an agency that enforces compliance federally, the way we have with drugs and firearms.

Poor Dr. B. All she can do is speak truth to ignorance, and that's not enough.

And this will happen when? I agree with you completely.

 

[24Roses]

Iowa news today (sorry it's late): As of 10:30-11:00 a.m. today, wer had 321 new confirmed cases for a total of 45,802 confirmed cases of which 33,115 have recovered (IMO +196). 5 more had passed away for a total of 879. 321 COVID-19 cases, 5 deaths reported in Iowa Monday
Iowa COVID-19 Information
Waiver Denied: Des Moines area school told to send kids back to class this week – KWWL
University of Iowa not requiring COVID-19 tests before move-in day – KWWL
Faith leaders call on Gov. Kim Reynolds to implement mask mandate
Iowa prepares for high school football under COVID-19 guidelines
COVID-19 tests, face masks among changes to move-in day at ISU
MLB cancels ‘Field of Dreams’ game between Cardinals, White Sox
Five more in University of Iowa athletics test positive for COVID-19
Wearing masks, students move into dorms for upcoming semester at University of Northern Iowa

 

[HongKongPhooey]

I don't think any of us needed info from China ... once we knew there was a highly infectious coronavirus on the loose.

We all have infection and disease control specialists. We all know that travel is a primary contributor to the spread. Most every country has had to deal with a pandemic in the past.

Countries were way too slow in giving their own citizens good leadership instruction. imo

IMO, we absolutely needed info from China. What caused it, what pre existing conditions were high risk, what treatments worked, how they were containing it. All of that info was critical. This is a new virus and they experienced it first. At that point, the rest of the world needed to look to them to see what they had managed to learn.

How we processed that data was up to us to manage, but again, that was not the point I was making.

 

[SouthAussie]

I didnt say it was China's fault. We just needed the maximum information available. They had it first. Whatever they knew, we needed to know. Whether we had all the information or not, one day maybe we will know for sure.

My comment was primarily about Italy, and how that affected us but I think you missed my point.

JMO

I am missing the point, as well.

South Korea, Vietnam, Australia, NZ, all had the same limited amount of information ... and all coped quite well early on.

They stopped the incoming travel, and dealt with the problem within their own borders.

We don't need China's results for our infection and disease control specialists to advise us how to deal with a coronavirus. We - including China - were all feeling our way along, with regard to treatments. And we still are, months later. Nobody has beat the virus yet.

I don't see any communist country sharing their info with western nations. Or vice versa.

 

[BeckyF]

Employees at pizza place pepper sprayed when asked to wear masks. Customer maces employees in mask dispute at Incredible Pizza Company | Caught on Camera

This behavior is infuriating. I suppose retail establishments will have to hire security guards to be protected from people armed with pepper spray.

 

[margarita25]

I’m very glad I was just able to talk to an old friend and assure him that the 5G thing isn’t true.

Eta: as related to the “pLandemic”..Seriously?

 

[HongKongPhooey]

I am missing the point, as well.

South Korea, Vietnam, Australia, NZ, all had the same limited amount of information ... and all coped quite well early on.

They stopped the incoming travel, and dealt with the problem within their own borders.

I'll try and explain.

When I had the virus in March, I was unaware that it could have potentially life changing consequences. If I knew that, I would have bailed and worked from home sooner, regardless of the consequences with my job. Instead, I carefully followed all the advice we had at the time. Washed my hands until they were bone dry. Kept a good distance from people. But I am left not knowing if my family or me will have kidney, heart, brain problems or ME in the future.

When I was ill, I did not take Ibuprofen for terrible muscle cramps, because it was advised not to. I ran low on Paracetamol and was taking cold and flu capsules which contain it, lower dosage. I suffered pain 24/7 for a week.

One of my pre existing health conditions was not flagged as a risk. Now it is. I was higher risk and didnt know.

I left the house before the now recommended 10 days, following the advice at the time. It haunts me that I may have spread it. No one wore masks here then.

This thing is evolving all the time. We need to learn from other countries who are ahead of us on the chain, fast. I dont blame any other country, and just hope all are sharing their medical and science knowledge as it develops.

However controlled borders are, however good leadership is.... This thing is not going away anytime soon. Borders cannot be controlled forever. The risk is not going away. We need all the science we can get our hands on, that's how we'll win this fight. Borders are temporary measures, but I unfortunately think Boris's whack a mole analogy is more accurate. Bash one down, another pops up.

JMO and v close to my (hopefully healthy) heart

 

[SouthAussie]

I'll try and explain.

When I had the virus in March, I was unaware that it could have potentially life changing consequences. If I knew that, I would have bailed and worked from home sooner, regardless of the consequences with my job. Instead, I carefully followed all the advice we had at the time. Washed my hands until they were bone dry. Kept a good distance from people. But I am left not knowing if my family or me will have kidney, heart, brain problems or ME in the future.

When I was ill, I did not take Ibuprofen for terrible muscle cramps, because it was advised not to. I ran low on Paracetamol and was taking cold and flu capsules which contain it, lower dosage. I suffered pain 24/7 for a week.

One of my pre existing health conditions was not flagged as a risk. Now it is. I was higher risk and didnt know.

I left the house before the now recommended 10 days, following the advice at the time. It haunts me that I may have spread it. No one wore masks here then.

This thing is evolving all the time. We need to learn from other countries who are ahead of us on the chain, fast. I dont blame any other country, and just hope all are sharing their medical and science knowledge as it develops.

However controlled borders are, however good leadership is.... This thing is not going away anytime soon. Borders cannot be controlled forever. The risk is not going away. We need all the science we can get our hands on, that's how we'll win this fight. Borders are temporary measures, but I unfortunately think Boris's whack a mole analogy is more accurate. Bash one down, another pops up.

JMO and v close to my (hopefully healthy) heart

Thanks for explaining.

Our advice was the same as well ... paracetamol, wash hands, no masks, get tested if you have flu-like symptoms.

We (and others) still faired much better due to other actions. I think it boils down to the lack of travel restrictions in too many countries. If your people don't get sick in the first place, the evolving advice affects people less.

And, yes, border closures probably can't last forever - or maybe they can - but science is doing all it can to offer solutions to that. We'll get there.

 

[musicaljoke]

Grocery store stores were deemed essential in New Zealand when we had our level for lockdown. Very strict protocols were put in place. Plexiglass shields for the checkout people. Masks were mandatory, stickers on the floor to mark 6 feet distances. Only single shoppers were allowed in, very limited number allowed in the store at one time. Hand sanitiser (and sometimes free disposable masks) was handed out to all customers at the door by security guards, all trolleys were wiped down for every use.

And luckily our big supermarket chains gave their workers 'hazard pay' bonuses to compensate them for being on the front lines.

I'm pretty sure that Canada uses your template. And why not when it obviously worked? Why reinvent the wheel? Gotta love the people from NZ for getting it right.

 

[beatrixpotter]

I know a family here who is still having fun with the rest of their family over distance.

Each Monday evening three branches of the family get together on Zoom and play a quiz game.

They sip wine (or the beverage of their choice), munch on snacks, and play a very competitive quiz game together for a couple of hours. Kids and adults all get into it for different periods during the 2 hours - sometimes all of them for the entire duration of the game. There is lots of laughter and kidding around, and high 5s when each group win a question.

That sounds like a lot of fun! I'm going to suggest that!

 

[TopTop]

A lot of people are claiming that they are all positive because it does not give the total of the negative tests. I have yet to see any country post negative results. What is the use? That is like reporting how many car accidents didn't happen.

Of course the negative results are released. We are told how many tests are done daily and how many positive cases there are daily. By deduction you know how many negative tests there were daily.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

Of course the negative results are released. We are told how many tests are done daily and how many positive cases there are daily. By deduction you know how many negative tests there were daily.

Yes, the # of Negative Results is equal to the Total Tests Less New Cases. Obviously does not consider whether someone tests more than once, and gets multiple negatives, but that wasn't the issue.