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I just don't think they get the germ thing at all. My OH was cleaning and rinsing the dog water bowl out at the sink with his bare hands and then using the same hand to turn off the tap. When I point it out to him, I just get a blank look. Maybe that is why more men than women catch it - they are not so germ conscious. I hope that doesn't sound sexist - it is a genuine observation.

My husband <modsnip> .... After throwing out the garbage i had to tell him to wash his hands. it wasn't as big a deal until the pandemic. now i am on him all the time. Maybe it is a man thing--- Maybe some men on this forum could jump in and tell us if they think it is man thing or just, well, whatever it is- i don't know. i know he doesn't get the germ thing
 
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100,000 Australians could be trapped abroad for SIX months

100,000 Australians could be trapped abroad for SIX months

Brett Lackey For Daily Mail Australia

10 hrs ago
More than 100,000 Australians are stranded overseas because of coronavirus travel bans with reparation likely to take six months under travel caps, the airline industry has warned.

According to government estimates, 18,800 Australians in other countries are looking to return home - but industry experts claim the real figure is around 100,000.

One airline has been forced to turn hundreds of passengers with tickets away at the boarding gate, while others airlines can't sell new tickets until the current backlog of thousands of passengers is cleared.

The Board of Airline Representatives of Australia, which includes international carriers such as Qatar Airways, Etihad, Emirates, and Singapore Airlines, warned tough restrictions may leave these citizens stranded for many more months.
 
Okay.... what's a CFR? Sorry - not familiar with those initials. TIA!
Case Fatality Rate - percentage of deaths to cases. On last page I posted a JHU link showing both CFR and MR (Mortality Rate percentage of deaths by population) and Latvia is on the list at 2.5% CFR. It's linked in my post number 847.
 
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100,000 Australians could be trapped abroad for SIX months

100,000 Australians could be trapped abroad for SIX months

Brett Lackey For Daily Mail Australia

10 hrs ago
More than 100,000 Australians are stranded overseas because of coronavirus travel bans with reparation likely to take six months under travel caps, the airline industry has warned.

According to government estimates, 18,800 Australians in other countries are looking to return home - but industry experts claim the real figure is around 100,000.

One airline has been forced to turn hundreds of passengers with tickets away at the boarding gate, while others airlines can't sell new tickets until the current backlog of thousands of passengers is cleared.

The Board of Airline Representatives of Australia, which includes international carriers such as Qatar Airways, Etihad, Emirates, and Singapore Airlines, warned tough restrictions may leave these citizens stranded for many more months.
I wonder why Australia doesn't arrange charter flights to bring them back like European countries have done? My son returned to Europe on an Embassy chartered emergency flight earlier in the year.
 
Northern Kentucky man faces fine for violating Canada's Quarantine Act

A Northern Kentucky man traveled to a Canadian resort for some fun.

Instead, he got a visit from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police for violating Canada's Quarantine Act – and now faces big fines and possible jail time.

John Pennington, 40, of Walton, was fined $1,200 on June 25 after staff at a Banff hotel called the police saying they believed the U.S. citizen was violating quarantine laws during the COVID-19 pandemic.

He could also face a fine of up to $750,000 or six months in jail.

Americans are not allowed in Canada. But, many have used a loophole to travel through Canada on the way to and from Alaska.

“RCMP attended the hotel and as a result of their investigation, they found a second individual in his presence, a female from Calgary, and found him to be breaching the requirements to quarantine while he traveled through Alberta so he was issued a ticket under the Alberta Public Health Act,” said RCMP Cpl. Tammy Keibel in Calgary.
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He flew to Seattle and traveled to Canada and Alaska he said in the video. He said he didn't understand why police visited his hotel room after he was approved by border patrol. Local police didn't stop him and the hotel allowed him to check-in.

"I thought I was good to go," he said in the video. He added that he would have understood if the hotel told him he wasn't allowed to stay when he booked the room.

In the comments, someone asked him how he was able to pass border patrol. He said he told patrol officers that he was traveling for "transit purposes" with a winky emoji.

Drivers are allowed a reasonable period of stay to make the transit [to Alaska] and are limited to travel within Canada using the most direct route to Alaska.

They are barred from driving through national parks, leisure sites, and tourism locations and receive a hang tag for their rear-view mirror indicating the date they must depart Canada.

Keibel said officers received a second complaint about the Northern Kentucky man the next day when someone spotted a car with American plates in a parking lot near the gondola to Sulphur Mountain.

“They located Mr. Pennington up on Sulphur Mountain. As a result of him again allegedly being in violation of the quarantine through his travels, there was some consultation with a quarantine officer in Calgary and the decision was made to charge Mr. Pennington under the federal Quarantine Act,” Keibel said.

“He was arrested and subsequently released for a court date in November.”
 
I wonder why Australia doesn't arrange charter flights to bring them back like European countries have done? My son returned to Europe on an Embassy chartered emergency flight earlier in the year.
In March, they were told to return as soon as possible but many did not. The caps on travel were instituted in July, so they had plenty of time. There were charted flights in March and some people chose to stay where they were.
 
In March, they were told to return as soon as possible but many did not. The caps on travel were instituted in July, so they had plenty of time. There were charted flights in March and some people chose to stay where they were.
My son had a March booked flight and could not return because the country he was in cancelled all the flights early March so that was not the case. His airline gave him a voucher but there were no flights at all. His Embassy arranged the charter eventually and got him and hundreds of others home. That is what your Embassy is there for if you get stuck abroad. Maybe you have a link about Australia and July but that certainly was not the case for Europe.

From Tmar's link - this is the problem- the caps on flights.

'Naomi Nguyen, a 22-year-old from Sydney, is one such Australian who had been working as an English language assistant at a high school in Spain when the country entered lockdown on March 14.

'Since the Australian government has now decided to bring in flight restrictions/capacities, it has been almost impossible to return home,' Ms Nguyen wrote.

'In Sydney, it is also only 30 passengers per plane. So airlines are prioritising business passengers for those 30 seats, the only way to make money. ' "

Australia needs to charter and fly their citizens back, foregoing the caps temporarily IMO.
 
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Hi all: well hubby tested negative but now he wants to go back and play on the golf league on two more occasions. I am trying to talk him out of it but he really wants to play (grrrrrrrrrrrr)- i said you will have to get tested again and told him it is foolish to go back because other guys on the league were exposed and could be carrying the virus.
You know, i am exasperated. I try to do everything to avoid the virus; my husband is a wild card. I have to keep telling him to wash his hands after we come in from the store, handle packages or handle mail. Sometimes i just want to scream. Thanks for being there and letting me vent.

I remember awhile back your journey home and I was rooting for you. :)

I'm just throwing this out there as an alternate idea. We don't wash hands after mail or packages. My husband hosts an outside singing event Saturddy morning. All local officials fully know what's going on. He does social distance the sing.

And I travel around all the time working. I do have the sense to wear a mask and wash my hands. ;)

All that to say I hope I can settle your nerves a little. I think your hubby is pretty safe outdoors playing golf.

You probably saw i had to get tested yesterday because I landed in the ER. Just a precaution and I tested negative. My county is a hotspot. :(

Many hugs. :) we will get there! :)

Of course, you two have to do what you're comfortable with. Just an example of how we survive. :)
 
Hi all: well hubby tested negative but now he wants to go back and play on the golf league on two more occasions. I am trying to talk him out of it but he really wants to play (grrrrrrrrrrrr)- i said you will have to get tested again and told him it is foolish to go back because other guys on the league were exposed and could be carrying the virus.
You know, i am exasperated. I try to do everything to avoid the virus; my husband is a wild card. I have to keep telling him to wash his hands after we come in from the store, handle packages or handle mail. Sometimes i just want to scream. Thanks for being there and letting me vent.

Will he not wear a simple mask at this point? A compromise? It is outdoors, he can distance and wear a mask.
 
Northern Kentucky man faces fine for violating Canada's Quarantine Act

A Northern Kentucky man traveled to a Canadian resort for some fun.

Instead, he got a visit from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police for violating Canada's Quarantine Act – and now faces big fines and possible jail time.

John Pennington, 40, of Walton, was fined $1,200 on June 25 after staff at a Banff hotel called the police saying they believed the U.S. citizen was violating quarantine laws during the COVID-19 pandemic.

He could also face a fine of up to $750,000 or six months in jail.

Americans are not allowed in Canada. But, many have used a loophole to travel through Canada on the way to and from Alaska.

“RCMP attended the hotel and as a result of their investigation, they found a second individual in his presence, a female from Calgary, and found him to be breaching the requirements to quarantine while he traveled through Alberta so he was issued a ticket under the Alberta Public Health Act,” said RCMP Cpl. Tammy Keibel in Calgary.
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He flew to Seattle and traveled to Canada and Alaska he said in the video. He said he didn't understand why police visited his hotel room after he was approved by border patrol. Local police didn't stop him and the hotel allowed him to check-in.

"I thought I was good to go," he said in the video. He added that he would have understood if the hotel told him he wasn't allowed to stay when he booked the room.

In the comments, someone asked him how he was able to pass border patrol. He said he told patrol officers that he was traveling for "transit purposes" with a winky emoji.

Drivers are allowed a reasonable period of stay to make the transit [to Alaska] and are limited to travel within Canada using the most direct route to Alaska.

They are barred from driving through national parks, leisure sites, and tourism locations and receive a hang tag for their rear-view mirror indicating the date they must depart Canada.

Keibel said officers received a second complaint about the Northern Kentucky man the next day when someone spotted a car with American plates in a parking lot near the gondola to Sulphur Mountain.

“They located Mr. Pennington up on Sulphur Mountain. As a result of him again allegedly being in violation of the quarantine through his travels, there was some consultation with a quarantine officer in Calgary and the decision was made to charge Mr. Pennington under the federal Quarantine Act,” Keibel said.

“He was arrested and subsequently released for a court date in November.”

So..will he abandon his car and fly back to Kentucky, thereby becoming a fugitive and never allowed into Canada again (perhaps never allowed to travel outside the US again)? Or will he fly back to Kentucky and then back to Canada in November? (Leaving his car in the meantime). Surely he can't just drive out of Canada through a border check point (and can he even get on a plane?)

Inquiring minds want to know.
 
Second highest rise in Covid cases since May

Scotland has recorded its second highest daily jump in coronavirus cases since the end of May.

A further 88 people have tested positive for coronavirus in Scotland in the last 24 hours.
There were no new deaths reported in the past 24 hours.

Five people were being treated in intensive care on Friday evening, up two on the previous day.

The largest recent rise in cases was just over a week ago on 22 August when 123 new cases were registered. Before that the next largest increase was on 22 May, when 113 new cases were confirmed.
 
I remember awhile back your journey home and I was rooting for you. :)

I'm just throwing this out there as an alternate idea. We don't wash hands after mail or packages. My husband hosts an outside singing event Saturddy morning. All local officials fully know what's going on. He does social distance the sing.

And I travel around all the time working. I do have the sense to wear a mask and wash my hands. ;)

All that to say I hope I can settle your nerves a little. I think your hubby is pretty safe outdoors playing golf.

You probably saw i had to get tested yesterday because I landed in the ER. Just a precaution and I tested negative. My county is a hotspot. :(

Many hugs. :) we will get there! :)

Of course, you two have to do what you're comfortable with. Just an example of how we survive. :)

Hugs back to ya!!! i guess i am more comfortable washing down items i bring home from the grocery and washing my hands after opening the mail and packages. i know lots of people don't- i read for example some epidemiologists don't wash their hands after handling packages. I am glad you tested negative. (thank goodness). I think my husband shouldn't play golf but it will be almost two weeks since this golfing guy was in the hospital; i have no idea about his condition except that he was in ICU. My concern is that one of the guys on the league is friends with the guy who got the virus--so who knows about him and if he ever got tested. He could be an asymptomatic carrier. Who ever thought in a million years we would ever have to dealing with something of this magnitude- it blows my mind. I want to go to the casino so badly but i would not feel safe there so we won't be going. Sigh. take care of yourself.
 
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My husband is hygienically retarded: After throwing out the garbage i had to tell him to wash his hands. it wasn't as big a deal until the pandemic. now i am on him all the time. Maybe it is a man thing--- Maybe some men on this forum could jump in and tell us if they think it is man thing or just, well, whatever it is- i don't know. i know he doesn't get the germ thing
I am going through similar things with my husband. In fact a few days ago he blew up and said "hoax virus everyone is afraid up, it's not real"etc... I feel he knows it is real but thinks it is not as bad as we are being told. I try to be light on the subject when I correct him since he gets so upset. Threw a 2 year old fit at the bank drive through, lol! Because of Covid the line took longer plus he blamed me for not having the hand gel out fast enough after he was done! He acted like I lost it even though I showed him to remind him and put it down again. " Where is the hand gel then bla, bla, bla," acts like I punish him. I think it might be because I kindly asked him to do the small things that he can do for me if he thinks this is all pointless to keep doing. I said I don't want the illness. Yup, really can be stressful and we usually get along so well, 29 years of being married and things are really crap at times. I know several of his friends are real dorks with the talking of it being made up plus one won't wear a mask unless it is posted. We now have senior home window visits with his mom. Seeing a tear in her eye the other day and her saying she is afraid because her body feels paralyzed is heartbreaking. Crushes me that I can't hug her or be near her. Several cases around her and I keep praying she will be safe from that. She was just put on oxygen, she has a blood cancer and has problems with her thinking off and on. Covid19 has taken lives and keeps hurting people in so many ways. Hard to stay positive, in fact lately I was physically sick from everything. My heart is broken not only for me but for us all. I laid around all day and I can't even eat without feeling sick. I feel like it will never get better, this is it just going to stay this way until we all go nuts. I usually stay more upbeat but I hope these next days get better. Sometimes I want to just "live" not to worry, I want to hug my mother in law, I don't want to fear my parents may get sick and I want to hold my grandsons so bad - their mommy works Hospice and there have been positives there too. Feel like the hope is slowly leaving. Sorry that I babbled on, I just need to empty I am sure I will pop around again but if not I am getting help because this is just getting to be too much. Take care WS friends.
 
I'm a golfer wings. Do you know what protocols are in place at the Course? Is your husband distancing when golfing. That is easy to do so I would not worry about a mask outdoors. Our Club has very strict measures in place. I wont list them all but tee times are staggered. One person to a golf cart. Flag stick remains in. One person in the Club House with a mask at a time to pay. Temp taken and usual questions asked. Your cart is sanitized in front of you and fellow sanitizes his hands and then loads your clubs for you etc. etc. I just wouldn't hang around to eat/drink on the patio but that's just me.
 
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I am going through similar things with my husband. In fact a few days ago he blew up and said "hoax virus everyone is afraid up, it's not real"etc... I feel he knows it is real but thinks it is not as bad as we are being told. I try to be light on the subject when I correct him since he gets so upset. Threw a 2 year old fit at the bank drive through, lol! Because of Covid the line took longer plus he blamed me for not having the hand gel out fast enough after he was done! He acted like I lost it even though I showed him to remind him and put it down again. " Where is the hand gel then bla, bla, bla," acts like I punish him. I think it might be because I kindly asked him to do the small things that he can do for me if he thinks this is all pointless to keep doing. I said I don't want the illness. Yup, really can be stressful and we usually get along so well, 29 years of being married and things are really crap at times. I know several of his friends are real dorks with the talking of it being made up plus one won't wear a mask unless it is posted. We now have senior home window visits with his mom. Seeing a tear in her eye the other day and her saying she is afraid because her body feels paralyzed is heartbreaking. Crushes me that I can't hug her or be near her. Several cases around her and I keep praying she will be safe from that. She was just put on oxygen, she has a blood cancer and has problems with her thinking off and on. Covid19 has taken lives and keeps hurting people in so many ways. Hard to stay positive, in fact lately I was physically sick from everything. My heart is broken not only for me but for us all. I laid around all day and I can't even eat without feeling sick. I feel like it will never get better, this is it just going to stay this way until we all go nuts. I usually stay more upbeat but I hope these next days get better. Sometimes I want to just "live" not to worry, I want to hug my mother in law, I don't want to fear my parents may get sick and I want to hold my grandsons so bad - their mommy works Hospice and there have been positives there too. Feel like the hope is slowly leaving. Sorry that I babbled on, I just need to empty I am sure I will pop around again but if not I am getting help because this is just getting to be too much. Take care WS friends.
The whole thing is depressing and it is understandable to feel like you do and many of us feel the same. You may want to find out when outside visits could go ahead with your MIL and demand compassionate visits if that is possible. You could wear masks and/or social distance. It sounds like you are being cautious so it would be low risk IMO. Take care and rant on here whenever you need to.
 
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