CT- Annie Le, missing from Yale, thread #5 FOUND DECEASED

[milton99]

it seems like she left this world doing what she loved to do. That can't be said for many, if not most people. RIP, Annie.

I am not quite sure what you mean by this. If she died peaceably by her lab table, I would agree to this. But Annie Le left this world deathly wounded and fighting a murderous psycho for who knows how many of her last conscious minutes. When you say it the way you did, you make it sound like she loved being murdered.

True, but the horrible things that happened to her were beyond her control. None of us knows how or when we're going to die, so I think it's important to live your life to the fullest each and every day. That's all I'm saying. Maybe it's still a little early, but I think it's important to point out that she seemed to be a happy person doing things that made her happy. Life is quality over quantity, IMHO. Just think people should be remembered for the good, and not in any way trying to downplay the horrible circumstances of her passing.

 

[amysmom]

Originally Posted by Harmony2
Good morning Ev1!

actually a male--page 4 lower left corner

Lower right corner? I thought the name *advertiser censored* has been ruled out no matter where he was found on web but I could be wrong since I just whizzed tru well over 100 (?) posts this am to catch up..Oy!

Welcome to ALL newbies!

 

[Toi]

BBM. Wow, I had no idea.

Toi, I am so sorry for what you had to go through. But what great insight you shared.

This is what I love about WS. You learn something new everyday.

tks for your kind words. i love coming here learning more and more everyday.

 

[Labrat]

Newcomer here -

Labrat, postdoc and others have done a great job at educating everyone about the system in place in many university research/lab animal facilities - thank you.

I have worked in similar facilities for nearly a decade as grad student, postdoc and research scientist. Ours is a quite large, modern, new vivarium in the basement of a research tower. Just imagining the unimaginable - it is hard for me to believe that someone could do this in our facility during "business hours" without detection. As postdoc described, ours is arranged in suites, each containing 5-6 individual animal housing rooms and 1 or 2 procedure room. In our facility, each suite is shared by mutliple investigators and there are research personnel (i.e. grad students, postdocs, lab techs) and lab animal techs (i.e. those that work exclusively in the vivarium) going in and out all the time. All of these doors (to the suite, to the animal rooms and to the procedure rooms) have windows. The image one may get from the term "basement" is one of a dark and isolated environment, but these are modern, well-lit, fully staffed facilities.

Certainly, these facilities can be maze-like, and an investigator can have exclusive access/use to an animal room (i.e. unshared with other investigators). But, using our facility as a context, such an act would have to be meticulously planned, or completely spontaneous, if it occurred between 8am - 4pm. Such a bold, horrendous, senseless act.

Absolutely! I'm going with completely spontaneous and it is astounding he wasn't discovered in the act. Our facility has doors with no windows, the ones that do have the windows covered, but still- there's a lot of people in and out at that time of day.

Welcome!

 

[sunsetbeach]

Oooops my bad..I believe you are correct..sorry

To be honest I don't know who that guy is (I linked that pic in my post above) but it was posted on the site we can not name. It may not even be LZ. I put that pic next to the other one that was on the UofR pic and the one at the bar looks older and heavier than the other one. The UofR pic was from 2008 and not sure when the other was taken.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I believe that Annie was doing basic research, not clinical research. Basic research means that she was attempting to understand how the body functions...It is unlikely, though not impossible that basic research would lead directly to a cure for anything. I really doubt she was killed because of her research.............

I've read that the last time she went there, it was to do experiments for her thesis. Also, Annie's acceptance into Bennetts team was not your average research appointment. She was exceptional and recognized as brilliant. The NIH considered her to be very promissing (sp), as well as the department's head. Having said that, I have to respectfully disagree with you on just that one point. Annie was most definitely not your average everyday science student going to a lab to do research. She has been part of published data and is/was without a doubt part of finding certain cures and vaccines...not just how they work. Please, not to be taken out of context...I mean this very respectfully. In other words, she's not your average post degree student. Also, I believe I read that she was sought out for the spot on Bennetts team, not that she applied for it, which could help to show how brilliant this young lady was. May she rip and GOD bless her family & friends. Such a sad loss.

Editing to say that I agree with you. I do not believe she was killed b/c of her research. I think it was a sick idiot that was either infatuated with her or jealous of her.

 

[amysmom]

I saw the same *advertiser censored* theory posted on 2 other forums this morning, including a photo of Z and Annie together.

From UOR or Yale?

 

[OHdoc]

Absolutely! I'm going with completely spontaneous and it is astounding he wasn't discovered in the act. Our facility has doors with no windows, the ones that do have the windows covered, but still- there's a lot of people in and out at that time of day.

Welcome!

Thanks for the welcome. I think unplanned as well, and the autoclave thing (if it happended) would have been a desperate attempt to eliminate forensic evidence.

 

[msfittz]

I saw a pic of LZ with a woman (if it's the same pic you saw) and they are sitting at a bar. If that's what you are talking about, that is not Annie. If you have another pic in mind can you please share?


ETA: Are you talking about this picture? http://www.yale.edu/denglab/pictures/labnews/suhua/lei_hyejin.jpg

This link takes you to a page for Deng labs - which is part of the plant genomics group. To me that doesn't sound like they would be involved with animals.

Can someone more familiar comment?

 

[MissJames]

BBM. Wow, I had no idea.

Toi, I am so sorry for what you had to go through. But what great insight you shared.

This is what I love about WS. You learn something new everyday.

I don't know if that's statistical. This was years ago.We had pagers and were on call when a rape victim called police or went to the hospital. I had 3 small kids at the time and would look for lighter shifts.That what I was told.Rapists stay home with their families on holidays,generally speaking.
Point is,you just never know who could be involved.Like Toi,you could be living with them and not have a clue.

 

[Harmony 2]

Lower right corner? I thought the name *advertiser censored* has been ruled out no matter where he was found on web but I could be wrong since I just whizzed tru well over 100 (?) posts this am to catch up..Oy!

Welcome to ALL newbies!

I am fairly new here but not new to forums. My homebase, a forum for the missing, discourages speculation and promotes posting only facts. I deleted the post immediately after I thought about it and the possibility it could be a common name. I am sorry it caused confusion and added to speculation.

need more coffee- going back to my corner to lurk.

 

[Labrat]

I've read that the last time she went there, it was to do experiments for her thesis. Also, Annie's acceptance into Bennetts team was not your average research appointment. She was exceptional and recognized as brilliant. The NIH considered her to be very promissing (sp), as well as the department's head. Having said that, I have to respectfully disagree with you on just that one point. Annie was most definitely not your average everyday science student going to a lab to do research. She has been part of published data and is/was without a doubt part of finding certain cures and vaccines...not just how they work. Please, not to be taken out of context...I mean this very respectfully. In other words, she's not your average post degree student. Also, I believe I read that she was sought out for the spot on Bennetts team, not that she applied for it, which could help to show how brilliant this young lady was. May she rip and GOD bless her family & friends. Such a sad loss.

Editing to say that I agree with you. I do not believe she was killed b/c of her research. I think it was a sick idiot that was either infatuated with her or jealous of her.

I do not mean to take anything at all away from Annie, but I'm part of published data. Probably all of our science posters here are.

I don't think there is necessarily an "average" post degree student- they're all pretty exceptional, the lay person just never has reason to hear about them. Finding cures/vaccines is a very very long term effort by many people, many labs working towards that goal for many years. I have no doubt Annie was headed for great things, but you must be realistic about this- she really was not doing research for very long in the scheme of things.

 

[Angel Who Cares]

Lab tech suspected in Yale slaying: Employee had scratches, failed FBI polygraph test
Published: Tuesday, September 15, 2009
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Police are focusing on a Yale lab technician who works in the building where a graduate student&#8217;s body was found Sunday as her possible killer, police sources confirmed Monday.

The Yale employee, who is involved in animal testing, has been under law enforcement&#8217;s microscope since before the body of Annie Le was discovered stuffed in a mechanical chase in the basement of the 120,000-square-foot building at 10 Amistad St.

He had scratches on his chest, which drew police attention, the sources confirmed. He also took, and failed, an FBI-administered polygraph exam, they said, and at some point during questioning invoked his right to have an attorney and stopped answering questions.

Over the last week, police interviewed and re-interviewed roughly 100 people who work in or have access to the building, and the lab technician was among them. He has not been charged and was not in custody Monday.

MULTIMEDIA: Press conference videos and investigation photo galleries
http://nhregister.com/articles/2009/09/14/news/new_haven/doc4aae4ceea8665492563485.txt

VIGIL: &#8216;Bring light to this unspeakable darkness&#8217;
http://nhregister.com/articles/2009/09/15/news/new_haven/a1_--_nevigil.txt

CASE HISTORY: Follow developments in the disappearance of Annie Le
http://nhregister.com/articles/2009/09/14/news/new_haven/doc4aae526207902229089635.txt

Article:
http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2009/09/15/news/new_haven/a1_--_annielefolo.txt
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DNA will catch Yale grad student Annie Le's killer
Tuesday, September 15th 2009, 4:00 AM
<snipped>
A crime scene investigator in a white haz-mat suit emerged from the red brick lab building to fetch something from a white truck parked on Amistad St.

He returned inside to collect more evidence for another kind of lab, evidence in the murder of pharmacology student Annie Le.

Even before her body was found Sunday, police had taken a keen interest in a technician at this Yale lab building who failed a polygraph test in a big way.

He also has defensive wounds, scratches on his chest reminiscent of the Preppie Killer, Robert Chambers, after he killed Jennifer Levin in Central Park in 1986. Only there is no indication that Le and this lab tech had any kind of social relationship or encounters outside the workplace.

The wounds are equally reminiscent of Joseph Pabon, the elevator operator accused of killing a cleaning woman named Eridania Rodriguez in the Rector St. building where they worked, but were never friendly.

The victim in that case went missing until she was found in an air conditioning duct just as Le went missing before she was found in a utilities conduit.

Article:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/200...is_gonna_be_the_gotcha_that_traps_killer.html

:angel:

 

[amysmom]

Thanks for the welcome. I think unplanned as well, and the autoclave thing (if it happended) would have been a desperate attempt to eliminate forensic evidence.

Is an autoclave usually in an open area? IOW! Where other students/techs have the same access? If so, seems even less likely perp would take the chance..Can not even imagine the reaction if caught in this act.

 

[Labrat]

Thanks for the welcome. I think unplanned as well, and the autoclave thing (if it happended) would have been a desperate attempt to eliminate forensic evidence.

My theory is it was one of the animal techs who had become infatuated with her, finally approached her and it went very badly, with him killing her in a desperate attempt to keep her from alerting anyone else in the facility.

I am thinking he was in a desperate rush to conceal her body and wouldn't have been thinking about forensic evidence.

I may be proven wrong in the end, but I feel that's the best fit with the really minimal information I've found.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I do not mean to take anything at all away from Annie, but I'm part of published data. Probably all of our science posters here are.

I don't think there is necessarily an "average" post degree student- they're all pretty exceptional, the lay person just never has reason to hear about them. Finding cures/vaccines is a very very long term effort by many people, many labs working towards that goal for many years. I have no doubt Annie was headed for great things, but you must be realistic about this- she really was not doing research for very long in the scheme of things.

Ok, I understand what you're saying now. Yes, you're right. I took the phrasing to mean "she was "just" doing "basic" research...in a somewhat less important role. Very sorry for the confusion.

On a different note, it was reported that she started volunteering for her local hospital while in high school, just to be involved with their pathology (or) pharmacology department. I think that's amazing. I guess I'm so stuck on this b/c I sure wish I would have finished what I started several years ago...which is the reason I'm going back in the Spring (starting in Spring to go all year long). Anyway, again - thank you.

 

[Gene]

I've read that the last time she went there, it was to do experiments for her thesis. Also, Annie's acceptance into Bennetts team was not your average research appointment. She was exceptional and recognized as brilliant. The NIH considered her to be very promissing (sp), as well as the department's head. Having said that, I have to respectfully disagree with you on just that one point. Annie was most definitely not your average everyday science student going to a lab to do research. She has been part of published data and is/was without a doubt part of finding certain cures and vaccines...not just how they work. Please, not to be taken out of context...I mean this very respectfully. In other words, she's not your average post degree student. Also, I believe I read that she was sought out for the spot on Bennetts team, not that she applied for it, which could help to show how brilliant this young lady was. May she rip and GOD bless her family & friends. Such a sad loss.

Editing to say that I agree with you. I do not believe she was killed b/c of her research. I think it was a sick idiot that was either infatuated with her or jealous of her.

Jersey Girl, I think you misunderstood me. I did not say she was not exceptional. From what I understood, she probably was brilliant. I am just explaining that there is different types of research. Hers was cutting edge, but not necessarily the type that most people would imagine. It would probably NOT lead to a cure.

I have a crying baby here and can not go into the detail I would like. I am just saying that her research was probably not the reason she was killed. Impossible? NO. Unlikely, yes.

 

[Labrat]

Is an autoclave usually in an open area? IOW! Where other students/techs have the same access? If so, seems even less likely perp would take the chance..Can not even imagine the reaction if caught in this act.

Ours is in the clean room- At that time of day it would already be in use sterilizing cages, with 3-4 techs working in the room.

 

[OHdoc]

Is an autoclave usually in an open area? IOW! Where other students/techs have the same access? If so, seems even less likely perp would take the chance..Can not even imagine the reaction if caught in this act.

Agreed - I don't know how/why the issue of the autoclave was brought up.

Not only is the autoclave accessible to anyone who has access to the lab animal facility itself (at least in our institution), but running it would take quite a bit of time (to generate the heat and pressure, exposure time, then depressurizing and cooling).

 

[moonuniti]

it seems like she left this world doing what she loved to do. That can't be said for many, if not most people. RIP, Annie.

I am not quite sure what you mean by this. If she died peaceably by her lab table, I would agree to this. But Annie Le left this world deathly wounded and fighting a murderous psycho for who knows how many of her last conscious minutes. When you say it the way you did, you make it sound like she loved being murdered.

Ok, let's be a little less sensitive. They obviously didn't mean it the way you saw it.