Midwestmom2019
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I'm all for a good asado al palo for BOTH Fd and MT!
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I was absolutely with you on the Bowman POV until recently as his career has been solidly spent IMO and I really gave him the early benefit of the doubt in this case. Now, I'm not at all sure that he has any control over his client or his case. But we shall see. I completely agree that Atty Bowman is a different type of atty vs the Pattisville Circus act with their ongoing shameless filing of frivolous motions and PR stunts. Atty Bowman has had a 'serious' career IMO but I do think he has his hands full given the impact that MT behaviour with LE has had on his reputation.
I think what changed my mind about him first was the 180 degree flip he made about MT depo in the Civil Trial and the bush league tactics he then employed by not following basic court procedure to give Atty Weinstein basic professional courtesy in the Civil Case. It was all quite juvenile and we all had a good laugh over the entire [REDACTED] motion too! It was almost as if Atty Bowman/MT 'panicked' when they went down the 5th amendment to the mat process in Civil Court. I do wonder if that is when Bowman might have realised the true depths of MT involvement in this case? My guess is that this could explain his 180 degree flip. I think MT lied to everyone as that seems to be her default response when confronted with anything. Very similar to Fd too which I find interesting. MT is on the hook no doubt with CT Revenue, IRS for all kinds of tax related issue and then you stack up her role in the Hunter property mortgage and Sue Morin and then I think Atty Bowman saw that Federal charges were creeping up quick for his client and so he just shut down her ability to speak with anyone.
Second, IMO was when Atty Bowman allowed all the meetings with LE and ongoing lying from his client was clear. Most attys won't let their clients have such a meeting more than 1x before shutting it all down and I've even seen meeting shut down immediately when Attys know their clients are lying to LE. Atty Bowman allowed his client to go down the path with LE I think a total of 3 or 4 times (depending on how you classify the different types of meetings with LE). Baffled why he allowed this to happen to his client?
The Spellbound idea you suggest is interesting but I think the 'ship has sailed' on this for MT and Atty Bowman. I think the best he can hope for is that one juror with doubt. But my sense is that all jurors will simply not understand MT and will loathe and hate her for her choices and see her for the amoral opportunist that she is IMO. I simply think MT is 'toast' unless she can tell LE whether the JFd body went to MIRA via Albany or was buried in a single place or possibly multiple places. Given that Atty Bowman and MT are still saying that she didn't know what was in the Albany bags, I think LE has simply given up on MT and will leave her to her fate with a trial and most likely a long prison sentence.
IMO MT was opportunistic in her relationship with Fd but she was also quite greedy to say nothing of being simply stupid. We haven't seen federal charges yet for any of the banking activity of Fd/FORE etc. but given how involved MT is in all of that my guess is that Atty Bowman knows of this or has connected the dots as to his clients involvement. Given that overseas transfers and/or asset purchases and sales are involved with both Fd and MT then it might take time for the federal case to develop, if it ever does.
MT like Fd IMO wanted $$$ and she wanted as much of it as possible. I hope the federal prosecutor does get involved here and do hope that MT and Fd are in their cross hairs as what these people did IMO should be punished. Do I have any level of sympathy for MT? Nope, none at all as she had alternatives every step of the way in her relationship with Fd and she NEVER ONCE WAVERED in her support IMO. The fact that MT further made the choices she did as a single mother is something that I am simply incapable of understanding as she now looks to be facing spending a good portion of the remainder of her life in prison.
MOO
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I'm all for a good asado al palo for BOTH Fd and MT!
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I was absolutely with you on the Bowman POV until recently as his career has been solidly spent IMO and I really gave him the early benefit of the doubt in this case. Now, I'm not at all sure that he has any control over his client or his case. But we shall see. I completely agree that Atty Bowman is a different type of atty vs the Pattisville Circus act with their ongoing shameless filing of frivolous motions and PR stunts. Atty Bowman has had a 'serious' career IMO but I do think he has his hands full given the impact that MT behaviour with LE has had on his reputation.
I think what changed my mind about him first was the 180 degree flip he made about MT depo in the Civil Trial and the bush league tactics he then employed by not following basic court procedure to give Atty Weinstein basic professional courtesy in the Civil Case. It was all quite juvenile and we all had a good laugh over the entire [REDACTED] motion too! It was almost as if Atty Bowman/MT 'panicked' when they went down the 5th amendment to the mat process in Civil Court. I do wonder if that is when Bowman might have realised the true depths of MT involvement in this case? My guess is that this could explain his 180 degree flip. I think MT lied to everyone as that seems to be her default response when confronted with anything. Very similar to Fd too which I find interesting. MT is on the hook no doubt with CT Revenue, IRS for all kinds of tax related issue and then you stack up her role in the Hunter property mortgage and Sue Morin and then I think Atty Bowman saw that Federal charges were creeping up quick for his client and so he just shut down her ability to speak with anyone.
Second, IMO was when Atty Bowman allowed all the meetings with LE and ongoing lying from his client was clear. Most attys won't let their clients have such a meeting more than 1x before shutting it all down and I've even seen meeting shut down immediately when Attys know their clients are lying to LE. Atty Bowman allowed his client to go down the path with LE I think a total of 3 or 4 times (depending on how you classify the different types of meetings with LE). Baffled why he allowed this to happen to his client?
The Spellbound idea you suggest is interesting but I think the 'ship has sailed' on this for MT and Atty Bowman. I think the best he can hope for is that one juror with doubt. But my sense is that all jurors will simply not understand MT and will loathe and hate her for her choices and see her for the amoral opportunist that she is IMO. I simply think MT is 'toast' unless she can tell LE whether the JFd body went to MIRA via Albany or was buried in a single place or possibly multiple places. Given that Atty Bowman and MT are still saying that she didn't know what was in the Albany bags, I think LE has simply given up on MT and will leave her to her fate with a trial and most likely a long prison sentence.
IMO MT was opportunistic in her relationship with Fd but she was also quite greedy to say nothing of being simply stupid. We haven't seen federal charges yet for any of the banking activity of Fd/FORE etc. but given how involved MT is in all of that my guess is that Atty Bowman knows of this or has connected the dots as to his clients involvement. Given that overseas transfers and/or asset purchases and sales are involved with both Fd and MT then it might take time for the federal case to develop, if it ever does.
MT like Fd IMO wanted $$$ and she wanted as much of it as possible. I hope the federal prosecutor does get involved here and do hope that MT and Fd are in their cross hairs as what these people did IMO should be punished. Do I have any level of sympathy for MT? Nope, none at all as she had alternatives every step of the way in her relationship with Fd and she NEVER ONCE WAVERED in her support IMO. The fact that MT further made the choices she did as a single mother is something that I am simply incapable of understanding as she now looks to be facing spending a good portion of the remainder of her life in prison.
MOO
Every lawyer I know never believes everything a client is telling them. We prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
Mr. Bowman knew immediately the extent of her involvement. Her mother made sure of that revelation. When a parent takes over decision making for a child of MT’s age, a lawyer knows several things. First, the child is guilty as hell. Second, the parent thinks she is smarter than everyone in the room.
MT insisted on speaking to LE per her mother’s suggestions. And Mr. Bowman was required to comply with her demands. No doubt he sent plenty of letters I suggest against this interaction with LE. Traconis clan knows they are smarter than any lawyer. They’ve outmaneuvered the law multiple times.
Unfortunately, this time Russian Roulette was not favorable to MT. She blew her brains out. She’s a walking zombie. I’m afraid it’s past any point of a deal. Damage control is what Mr. Bowman is left with for her defense. Through no
fault of his own.
As for his reputation? Any locals can weigh in, but I bet it’s still stellar. A client does not make a lawyer’s reputation. The lawyer makes his reputation on his own. Or hers, for you politically correct readers.
NP is not despised by most of WS bc of FD. We hate his pompous attitude. His snide remarks. His squirrel pony tail. He’s a maverick. Take him or leave him. Most of us choose to leave him. But not bc he represents FD. But bc he acts like an a s s. Ill mannered boor. Apples don’t fall far from an apple tree. And if they fall into a barrel, they could get rotten. That’s just how it goes. There’s a few rotten apples in every barrel. KM is in the same barrel.