Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #41

[afitzy]

I know you’re being snarky here, but we certainly don’t want people to misunderstand and attempt experiments.

We don't want @MassGuy to DIE!

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Color me Skeptical with a Capital "S".

BUT, looking back at the entirety of the news today on:

-- What Fd did ("attempted" suicide via carbon monoxide poisoning in his vehicle in his garage with the hose up the tailpipe bit that could be seen from the garage window and hence he was "rescued" by LE),

-- Where Fd is now (in a hospital in NYC instead of in jail in CT), and

-- Where Fd may be going if he survives (to some type of medical facility instead of in jail in CT)

I have to admit to feeling some degree of hinkiness here.

Simply because he has always pulled the most incredible shenanigans, deceptions, manipulations, coercions, ploys, coverups, games, etc., etc., and now that they have all come to naught and he's real scared of doing the time for his crime, he's resorted to 'playing possum' in this way to save himself from the loneliness of living under house arrest with no real livelihood, assets or support, or going back to jail because of problems with his $6 million bail bond.

I think he's a fighter and is not going to give up trying to find a way to get out of his situation without pulling out all the stops.

Diversionary Drama?
Check!

Getting out of Court Appearance With Chance of Permanent Jailbird Status?
Check!

Ploy for Sympathy (for The Devil)?
Check!

All Bets Are Off, Fuggedahbout The Felony Charges, and OMG, Just Do Everything Possible To Save His Life?
Check!

Change From LE Being All Up in His Business All The Time?
Check!

Change From House Arrest, GPS Monitoring, and Judges Who Are Somewhat More Punitive Of Late?
Check!

Change in not Being Allowed to Leave CT Location?
Check!

Sure Seems Like a Groundswell of "New Beginnings" for Lil Ole Fd, And All in One Day!!
Checkmate!

JMO

 

[afitzy]

Yeah, I absolutely never saw this coming. I was worried about KM, but not FD.

I still don’t think he’s going to make it. Hell, law enforcement on the scene believed he was dead, and he likely was before he was revived.

Remember those two kids whose mother hung them recently?

They managed to revive them too, but they still didn’t have a chance. I think he lingers for a couple days, before his family pulls the plug.

I was worried about KM stroking out from detox and so I'm glad he is in a different prison where he can be watched a bit more closely.

The hanging case is somewhat different I think from the gas. The neuro effects of the gas can impact so many other functions from lungs, to heart to brain.

I am now convincing myself to suck it up and do the maths! Grrrr.

I am sure Fd figured this all out and the timing around the court appearance today (as many have pointed out) is simply too coincidental.

Did Fd figure out how long he could be in that Suburban before LE would turn up and realise he wasn't where he was supposed to be?

I think its a curious question.


MOO

 

[MassGuy]

Color me Skeptical with a Capital "S".

BUT, looking back at the entirety of the news today on:

-- What Fd did ("attempted" suicide via carbon monoxide poisoning in his vehicle in his garage with the hose up the tailpipe bit that could be seen from the garage window and hence he was "rescued" by LE),

-- Where Fd is now (in a hospital in NYC instead of in jail in CT), and

-- Where Fd may be going if he survives (to some type of medical facility instead of in jail in CT)

I have to admit to feeling some degree of hinkiness here.

Simply because he has always pulled the most incredible shenanigans, deceptions, manipulations, coercions, ploys, coverups, games, etc., etc., and now that they have all come to naught and he's real scared of doing the time for his crime, he's resorted to 'playing possum' in this way to save himself from the loneliness of living under house arrest with no real livelihood, assets or support, or going back to jail because of problems with his $6 million bail bond.

I think he's a fighter and is not going to give up trying to find a way to get out of his situation without pulling out all the stops.

Diversionary Drama?
Check!

Getting out of Court Appearance With Chance of Permanent Jailbird Status?
Check!

Ploy for Sympathy (for The Devil)?
Check!

All Bets Are Off, Fuggedahbout The Felony Charges, and OMG, Just Do Everything Possible To Save His Life?
Check!

Change From LE Being All Up in His Business All The Time?
Check!

Change From House Arrest, GPS Monitoring, and Judges Who Are Somewhat More Punitive Of Late?
Check!

Change in not Being Allowed to Leave CT Location?
Check!

Sure Seems Like a Groundswell of "New Beginnings" for Lil Ole Fd, And All in One Day!!
Checkmate!

JMO

I’m convinced this was genuine, and not some effort to garner sympathy. The best case scenario for him, is that he suffers minimal brain damage.

His entire life can be summed up with one word: “Control.”

He feared he was losing that, and suicide was a final act of a desperate man. He doesn’t appear to have had any realistic expectation of being saved, and it appears he went out of his way to see that he wasn’t.

He’s only alive because some well trained medical personnel performed a miracle.

I’m as skeptical and cynical as anyone when it comes to a situation like this, but it doesn’t appear to me as “a cry for attention.”

He was deadly serious.

 

[MassGuy]

I was worried about KM stroking out from detox and so I'm glad he is in a different prison where he can be watched a bit more closely.

The hanging case is somewhat different I think from the gas. The neuro effects of the gas can impact so many other functions from lungs, to heart to brain.

I am now convincing myself to suck it up and do the maths! Grrrr.

I am sure Fd figured this all out and the timing around the court appearance today (as many have pointed out) is simply too coincidental.

Did Fd figure out how long he could be in that Suburban before LE would turn up and realise he wasn't where he was supposed to be?

I think its a curious question.


MOO

I think it’s similar in that it causes the heart to stop. We all know what happens to the brain from a lack of oxygen.

He wasn’t breathing, and blood wasn’t flowing. So logically, the results would be the same in that regard.

Whatever else that gas does though, just can’t be good.

 

[afitzy]

Color me Skeptical with a Capital "S".

BUT, looking back at the entirety of the news today on:

-- What Fd did ("attempted" suicide via carbon monoxide poisoning in his vehicle in his garage with the hose up the tailpipe bit that could be seen from the garage window and hence he was "rescued" by LE),

-- Where Fd is now (in a hospital in NYC instead of in jail in CT), and

-- Where Fd may be going if he survives (to some type of medical facility instead of in jail in CT)

I have to admit to feeling some degree of hinkiness here.

Simply because he has always pulled the most incredible shenanigans, deceptions, manipulations, coercions, ploys, coverups, games, etc., etc., and now that they have all come to naught and he's real scared of doing the time for his crime, he's resorted to 'playing possum' in this way to save himself from the loneliness of living under house arrest with no real livelihood, assets or support, or going back to jail because of problems with his $6 million bail bond.

I think he's a fighter and is not going to give up trying to find a way to get out of his situation without pulling out all the stops.

Diversionary Drama?
Check!

Getting out of Court Appearance With Chance of Permanent Jailbird Status?
Check!

Ploy for Sympathy (for The Devil)?
Check!

All Bets Are Off, Fuggedahbout The Felony Charges, and OMG, Just Do Everything Possible To Save His Life?
Check!

Change From LE Being All Up in His Business All The Time?
Check!

Change From House Arrest, GPS Monitoring, and Judges Who Are Somewhat More Punitive Of Late?
Check!

Change in not Being Allowed to Leave CT Location?
Check!

Sure Seems Like a Groundswell of "New Beginnings" for Lil Ole Fd, And All in One Day!!
Checkmate!

JMO

Perfection!

So, you are saying that today we saw Fd in the words of Charlie Sheen, as "WINNING"?

IDK, its all kinda a bit too extra to me to say nothing of risky.

The reason I am absolutely not discounting your theory is that the timing of this today was simply too tight.

I guess we will also find out in the next 24-48 hrs exactly how much Fd might have paid attention is his math classes at Brown.

I'm not convinced he will make it through this but we will just have to do what we have been doing which is staying tuned to this Greek Horror Show!

MOO

 

[afitzy]

I think it’s similar in that it causes the heart to stop. We all know what happens to the brain from a lack of oxygen.

He wasn’t breathing, and blood wasn’t flowing. So logically, the results would be the same in that regard.

Whatever else that gas does though, just can’t be good.

Nope the impact of the gas potentially on the heart and brain can be devastating. Lung damage can also be extreme. That's why I wanted to figure out his possible exposure time but I think we have a good range and know that he took that phone call to the other bondsman.

But the idea of possibly depleting the body of oxygen in advance of trying to kill yourself is an interesting idea too that isn't obvious to most.

I don't know much about suicide methods and so hadn't thought of that angle. Maybe Fd did think of that angle given the limited amount of time he knew he had this am?

Fd rarely makes anything easy or simple.

So annoying.

MOO

 

[afitzy]

I once read a fascinating book by author Vance Trimble. The title is, The Uncertain Miracle: The History of Hyperbaric Medicine. It's out of print, but there is a copy at Amazon.

Mr Trimble was born in 1913 and he's still alive at age 106.

Interesting. I wonder if he used his work in oxygen to prolong his life? I've read some interesting things today about oxygen therapy and so will add this book to my list!

 

[afitzy]

There was a photo of the Suburban in the garage in MSM with a black hose from the tailpipe looped back presumably into the car. So no not staged as an accident (nor a “revenge suicide”)

Yes, but did Fd really want to die today?

He knew the window of time he had to work with as he was due in Court.

MOO

 

[whitelilac]

Well, seems like one heck of a gamble with his life, playing Russian Roulette like that. What if the woman who called 911 was late coming back from groceries or wherever she went?
And now he's in a state where he could very well croak, or at the least have some severe incapacitation. Forget about any control he will have anyway if he survives.

I think he was desperate, no way out of this anymore, his last attempt to be IN control with a message of F you all, I'm still in charge.

I wonder if he researched carbon monoxide poisoning before he did this.

 

[MassGuy]

Nope the impact of the gas potentially on the heart and brain can be devastating. Lung damage can also be extreme. That's why I wanted to figure out his possible exposure time but I think we have a good range and know that he took that phone call to the other bondsman.

But the idea of possibly depleting the body of oxygen in advance of trying to kill yourself is an interesting idea too that isn't obvious to most.

I don't know much about suicide methods and so hadn't thought of that angle. Maybe Fd did think of that angle given the limited amount of time he knew he had this am?

Fd rarely makes anything easy or simple.

So annoying.

MOO

Something that I didn’t realize, is that this method takes a lot longer than it did in the past (when cars had higher emissions).

There’s a shocking amount of discussions about it.

If I’m correct, he used a 2015 Suburban here. That would appear less than ideal.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I’ll do an experiment tomorrow and see if I can figure out how long it would have taken.

I totally agree, I think he had this all planned out in advance, and it was merely a matter of execution.

I think he probably planned to do this just prior to trial, but decided to expedite this. He was never going to trial, because he knew that meant he’d be spending the rest of his life behind bars.

He needs control, and simply wouldn’t allow the state to take that away. Boy, I really hope he survives.

I agree it was planned and controlled, like everything else he does was.

That would be great if the timeframe could be 'run down' a bit more to tighten up the parameters he was working within.

I read somewhere that "vigorous exercise" before "withstanding gas poisoning" can help reduce the effects and aid in recovery because there are more beneficial gases dissolved in the bloodstream (paired up with oxygen in a good way) that keep the noxious gas molecules from attaching to the hemoglobin that is the poison, or something along those lines -- similar to this "revolutionary" treatment that was in development 2 years ago and supposed to be ready for use in humans in 2 years (now), but no updates so far as Google tells me:
Carbon Monoxide Poisoning Antidote

Got me thinking about the bondperson who talked to Fd on the phone beforehand and said he seemed out of breath like he was in the middle of running or exercising (treadmill/Peloton in his home gym?).

Probably too complex of a set of variables anyway, and not easy to find generic data on typical car exhaust parts per million (ppm) of carbon monoxide (500 ppm is "just right" for most people according to the article), length of exposure, weight, age, health, oxygen levels, etc. to get a feel for where he was in terms of imminent death.

JMO

 

[MemPat]

We don't want @MassGuy to DIE!

GoneGuy. Sad.

 

[Topppps]

Yes, but did Fd really want to die today?

He knew the window of time he had to work with as he was due in Court.

MOO

He new about the night before not much notice

 

[MemPat]

I’m convinced this was genuine, and not some effort to garner sympathy. The best case scenario for him, is that he suffers minimal brain damage.

His entire life can be summed up with one word: “Control.”

He feared he was losing that, and suicide was a final act of a desperate man. He doesn’t appear to have had any realistic expectation of being saved, and it appears he went out of his way to see that he wasn’t.

He’s only alive because some well trained medical personnel performed a miracle.

I’m as skeptical and cynical as anyone when it comes to a situation like this, but it doesn’t appear to me as “a cry for attention.”

He was deadly serious.

I'm going to be more convinced that he didn't want to be rescued if the drug screening shows nothing.

If he was totally intent on dying today I think he would have medicated himself so he wouldn't risk getting scared and turning off the ignition.

 

[kimch33kim]

He seems to want to live still at 9 something when calling the new bond guy. But something happened between the first and second phone call to the new bond guy. I think the out of breath demeanor is because FD told the woman to go buy something then he immediately pulled the heavy wood and black weights to barricade both garage doors. As you can see in the video. Then he connected the hose to the pipe. And had to start the car before she came back. So that’s why he was out of breathe. I don’t think he would answer the phone when he was in the middle of “dying”.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Perfection!

So, you are saying that today we saw Fd in the words of Charlie Sheen, as "WINNING"?

IDK, its all kinda a bit too extra to me to say nothing of risky.

The reason I am absolutely not discounting your theory is that the timing of this today was simply too tight.

I guess we will also find out in the next 24-48 hrs exactly how much Fd might have paid attention is his math classes at Brown.

I'm not convinced he will make it through this but we will just have to do what we have been doing which is staying tuned to this Greek Horror Show!

MOO

Yes, I was saying that what he did for whatever reasons and predicted chances of success, he got himself out of the uncomfortable situations he was in because he had painted himself into a terrible little corner.

And he's still alive in the bargain, whether or not he had arranged for or simply hoped for being rescued, which he was.

We don't know yet how it really went down (the timing of and catalyst for his rescue, IMO), why someone wasn't with him, why he was making calls to bondspeople, and less than an hour later saying he was "all set", why someone wasn't escorting him to Court earlier, etc.

There were still conflicting stories in MSM and here about the woman who came and went being the one to call 911 and the Court officers coming to look for him because he didn't arrive at Court at the time he was expected.

Totally par for the course for conflicts on details and them turning into theories or assumptions, etc. very innocent and with good intentions and all that.

Just saying overall it's a little hinky to me, and he's a master at the game (of War, his favorite book according to JFd blog I think).

JMO

 

[Outforjustice]

Color me Skeptical with a Capital "S".

BUT, looking back at the entirety of the news today on:

-- What Fd did ("attempted" suicide via carbon monoxide poisoning in his vehicle in his garage with the hose up the tailpipe bit that could be seen from the garage window and hence he was "rescued" by LE),

-- Where Fd is now (in a hospital in NYC instead of in jail in CT), and

-- Where Fd may be going if he survives (to some type of medical facility instead of in jail in CT)

I have to admit to feeling some degree of hinkiness here.

Simply because he has always pulled the most incredible shenanigans, deceptions, manipulations, coercions, ploys, coverups, games, etc., etc., and now that they have all come to naught and he's real scared of doing the time for his crime, he's resorted to 'playing possum' in this way to save himself from the loneliness of living under house arrest with no real livelihood, assets or support, or going back to jail because of problems with his $6 million bail bond.

I think he's a fighter and is not going to give up trying to find a way to get out of his situation without pulling out all the stops.

Diversionary Drama?
Check!

Getting out of Court Appearance With Chance of Permanent Jailbird Status?
Check!

Ploy for Sympathy (for The Devil)?
Check!

All Bets Are Off, Fuggedahbout The Felony Charges, and OMG, Just Do Everything Possible To Save His Life?
Check!

Change From LE Being All Up in His Business All The Time?
Check!

Change From House Arrest, GPS Monitoring, and Judges Who Are Somewhat More Punitive Of Late?
Check!

Change in not Being Allowed to Leave CT Location?
Check!

Sure Seems Like a Groundswell of "New Beginnings" for Lil Ole Fd, And All in One Day!!
Checkmate!

JMO

Yessss
Brilliant and you couldn’t be more on point!
Thinking the exact same thoughts ..

If he survives does he get to enjoy ..
a hospital bed with tv remote in-hand eating ice cream delivered to his bedside tray.
Outraged

 

[MassGuy]

Yessss
Brilliant and you couldn’t be more on point!
Thinking the exact same thoughts ..

If he survives does he get to enjoy ..
a hospital bed with tv remote ( in-hand) eating ice cream delivered to his bedside tray.
Outraged

If he survives, I think he’s likely a vegetable, being fed through a tube.

 

[afitzy]

Something that I didn’t realize, is that this method takes a lot longer than it did in the past (when cars had higher emissions).

There’s a shocking amount of discussions about it.

If I’m correct, he used a 2015 Suburban here. That would appear less than ideal.

Yes, if he had an old vintage Jeep or a Defender or maybe one of the old style diesel Mercedes and then he would have been finished.

There was no doubt a method to the madness today so maybe we will find it out at some point.

Today we didn't see any other vehicle other than the Suburban. No Jeep on view today that I saw. The crashed Porsche Cayenne is at 585 DC and so off limits but that one might have been a better option for Fd. I think LE still have the Raptor in their possession.

So, Fd was left with the Suburban.

I was trying to remember the case of sociopath (MOO) Michelle Carter from MA that used texts to get her BF to get back into the carbon monoxide filled truck today. That case was chilling but I don't recall how long it took him to die.

Michelle Carter, who urged her boyfriend to kill himself in texts, is released early from jail