Darlie Innocent? Then how do you explain... ?

[cami]

WOW, Cami you are on a roll!!! Wonder why people don't feel comfy on this sight??? Your quote "Why hasn't it ever been played in the media?"

How do you think I saw it and knew it existed if it was not played for the Media??? Please????? I was just starting to gain some respect, however, now??? Take Care, have and fun!! Ann:furious::waitasec::twocents:

You've lost respect for me because i've never seen this tape and I question the validity of it?

Are there any other posters here who have seen a tape of Darlie crying and grieving at the prayer service prior to the SS party?

Okay here's my point. When the SS tape was shown to the jury uring the trial, why didn't the defence come back with the prayer service tape to show the jury?

 

[cami]

Okey Dokey Cami, all the juror questions are a blown myth??? You actually make certain points I CAN NOT disagree with such as "the interview where she smiles and chews gum and said her heart is breaking and boys wouldn't want them to be sad. Well she sure doesn't look like her heart is broken to me". However, IMOO, it is still not enough to sentence someone to death. If you can truly prove to me (as I have stated many times before) I say stab her to death like she did to those sweet innocent BEAUTIFUL little boys. I am just fine with her sitting in prison till the day she dies until someone can PROVE 100% she did it:twocents::twocents::twocents::sick:!!!

Of course it's not enough to sentence someone to death. The physical evidence, blood and fibre evidence is enough though and all of it points to Darlie as the killer.

I don't think I said all the juror's questions are myths. What I said was the myth that the photos of the bruises, etc. were not shown to the jury has been blown...the transcripts prove that.

 

[cami]

By all means IrishMist, please excuse me if I did the wrong "RHETORIC" or "BS". My point was surely not to convey it the way you would like. My apologies to all, Again, I was trying to state that REASONABLE DOUBT is what the law is about and I believe Darlie herself deserves a NEW TRIAL... I am quite sure I will hear the backlash as always on this one. I do know she was convicted by her peers in a court of law (thanks for that info), however, it was based on supposition, heresay and character assasination!! Thanks for letting me air my ways!! Take Care and keep on chatting. I love it!! Ann:waitasec::twocents::banghead:

By who's yardstick was Darlie convicted on "supposition, heresay and character assasination?

You said in an earlier post, "i gave you the bread knife." Okay, the bread knife is physical evidence, it is not suppostion, heresay or character assasination. It's incriminating evidence as well. It proves that bread knife was used to cut the window screen. It's one piece of the physical evidence that points to Darlie as the killer.

 

[cami]

I will again reiterate? Have we not gone through all of this in the PM's??? I have read MTJD and still trying to come to the same conclusion as you, however, I am not fully there????!!! I no longer have the MTJD book (which btw I found very helpful in my innocent side of the spectrum). The kitchen I believe was over trampled by LE and many things such as the vaccuum, broken wine glass, etc. were not in the original place after law enforcement entered??? Again, JMO!! Smile, I am only still searching to hit the right place?? Take Care Cami!! :twocents::twocents::banghead::waitasec:

Aaaah I see, it's just your opinion that these things happened.

We'll have to agree to disagree then since I don't believe LE did anything to the CS and there has never been any proof that they did.

 

[annkitty0630]

annkitty,
Sorry I haven't posted in a while. You and I were having a very good discussion about the state of the evidence, but when I peeked back in tonight, it appears that things are more heated than when I left.

In all fairness, I don't perceive any negativity directed toward you, but I know that this is a sensitive subject for you, and I worry that you might be reading too much into the motives or intentions of other posters.

We are all here armed only with our case knowledge and opinions. Everyone's opinion is valid, but when your belief about the case is at odds with the delivered verdict, you probably face a more difficult time trying to convince others that we are missing something. Speaking for myself, I am very confident that my view of the evidence is right, and I have the backing of the jury verdict for confirmation.

I truly believe everyone here is happy to allow you to hold your own opinion, but we may want to question your conclusions or the process you used to arrive at them. But some of your responses yesterday and today seem unduly angry, and I am worried that your valid questions end up getting lost in the furor.

Ann, be well and try not to take things here too personally. You have a good heart and an inquisitive mind; keep seeking the answers you need.

Thank you SO MUCH for your reply Rlaub44. I have been extremely stressed over trying to buy a house and it has been an unbelievably awful experience for the last 1 1/2 weeks. Maybe I was venting my frustation at the wrong people, however, there are a couple that have not been quite so nice with me as you have been and usually Cami has been. You have a VERY calming nature in explaining your rational behind your beliefs where others are not quite the same as you. Thanks again for your kind words and I AM ALWAYS open to anything you have to say to me. Thanks again for the time you have taken to work with me and I ACTUALLY do believe I have gotten closer to understanding where you are coming from and why you reached your own verdict in this case. Take Care Hon... Peace and Love to all of your family!!!

 

[annkitty0630]

oh okay, i don't recall you're telling me in a pm it's your opinion the kitchen was contaminated.

How could you read mtjd? Lol, i found it incredibly bad, terrible grammar, spelling and all it was was media articles that the author decided to edit. The cs photos are valuable..that's the only value to that book, imo.

Yes, there is no evidence that the cs was trampled at all, just ms. Kee's assertion that it was.

ouch!!!!!

 

[annkitty0630]

You've lost respect for me because i've never seen this tape and I question the validity of it?

Are there any other posters here who have seen a tape of Darlie crying and grieving at the prayer service prior to the SS party?

Okay here's my point. When the SS tape was shown to the jury uring the trial, why didn't the defence come back with the prayer service tape to show the jury?

Sorry you missed this tape because if I am correct I saw it on Dateline, 48 Hours or one of those shows. I truly cannot believe that someone on this site has not seen this???????????? It in know way proves her guilt or innocence, just that she shed tears (whether fake or real). The SS video was used to inflame people and it obviously worked. Again, this does not state guilt or innocence, just another thread of evidence that has not been shown or explained. Just my opinion, nothing more!!! :twocents::twocents:

 

[eeyorelrn]

Sorry you missed this tape because if I am correct I saw it on Dateline, 48 Hours or one of those shows. I truly cannot believe that someone on this site has not seen this???????????? It in know way proves her guilt or innocence, just that she shed tears (whether fake or real). The SS video was used to inflame people and it obviously worked. Again, this does not state guilt or innocence, just another thread of evidence that has not been shown or explained. Just my opinion, nothing more!!! :twocents::twocents:

I actually DO remember seeing this video... I believe that it was actually on one of the CourTV/TruTV shows that did an investigation on the case. However, from what I can remember of the tape, it was actually part of the Police undercover investigation- they had set up surveillence video and mics in the hopes that Darlie would admit to the murders. And what I remember about it personally is she seemed to be able to turn those tears on and off pretty much "on command" for lack of a better description. It almost reminds me of Susan Smith... Actually, IMHO, I think Darlie appears to be a much worse actress that Susan, and Susan's act was truly pathetic from the get go... but as I said, that part is JMHO.

 

[claudicici]

...I remember that video ,too and I don't remember anyone around she would have "turned the tears" on for because it was undercover and right before the "dancing on the grave" part that everyone remembers...

 

[cami]

Sorry you missed this tape because if I am correct I saw it on Dateline, 48 Hours or one of those shows. I truly cannot believe that someone on this site has not seen this???????????? It in know way proves her guilt or innocence, just that she shed tears (whether fake or real). The SS video was used to inflame people and it obviously worked. Again, this does not state guilt or innocence, just another thread of evidence that has not been shown or explained. Just my opinion, nothing more!!! :twocents::twocents:

Well I remember that video too but all it showed through the trees was the back of Darlie with a fussy Drake, then she sat down to try and calm him. I've watched all those shows, 48 hours, court tv, american justice, medical detectives, discovery channel..(canal D in Canada). I have them all on tape so I can watch them anytime and I have yet to see a crying, greiving Darlie on any of them.

Yes, it does nothing to prove guilt or innocence. I don't know why the public has focused on it so much.

However, the allegation that the state kept this from the jury is completely false. This tape was never entered into evidence by the state as it shows nothing, no confession, etc. The surveillance tape was turned over to the defence during discovery in November 1996 prior to Darlie's trial. It's discussed during the trial and the defence was given a chance to show it to the jury...they didn't so obviously it contains no exculpatory evidence.

It's right in the trial transcripts for anyone to verify.

 

[cami]

ouch!!!!!

Well it is, can you actually tell me you read that book. Do you realize that Chris Brown is what well nothing...he's not a crime scene investigator or a crime scene analyst or a homicide detective or cop. He got those photos through the public forum and decided to add his unprofessional, untrained, uneducated opinions as to what the CS photos show.

i.e cops always move things around at a crime scene to search for evidence. If Mr. Brown knew anything about criminalistics, he'd know that.

I got a big kick of his boot overlays, LOL. You can clearly see a bloody barefoot on that blanket but he's trying to prove it's a boot.

JMO, though, nothing more....

 

[annkitty0630]

Well it is, can you actually tell me you read that book. Do you realize that Chris Brown is what well nothing...he's not a crime scene investigator or a crime scene analyst or a homicide detective or cop. He got those photos through the public forum and decided to add his unprofessional, untrained, uneducated opinions as to what the CS photos show.

i.e cops always move things around at a crime scene to search for evidence. If Mr. Brown knew anything about criminalistics, he'd know that.

I got a big kick of his boot overlays, LOL. You can clearly see a bloody barefoot on that blanket but he's trying to prove it's a boot.

JMO, though, nothing more....

I guess I will say it again "OUCH"... supposedly you are trying to help me through coming to your terms and idealization behind the crime, but slamming really isn't going to get you there Cami... Yes, I have actually read the book almost 9 years ago, so it has been along time. However, I have not read or seen it since so I am relying on you all to convince me that I initially had the wrong opinion??? Do you have the book??? How about the supposed tape you were going to send me or e-mail me??? Take Care and just my humble opinion also!!! Ann:twocents::twocents::twocents:

 

[annkitty0630]

I actually DO remember seeing this video... I believe that it was actually on one of the CourTV/TruTV shows that did an investigation on the case. However, from what I can remember of the tape, it was actually part of the Police undercover investigation- they had set up surveillence video and mics in the hopes that Darlie would admit to the murders. And what I remember about it personally is she seemed to be able to turn those tears on and off pretty much "on command" for lack of a better description. It almost reminds me of Susan Smith... Actually, IMHO, I think Darlie appears to be a much worse actress that Susan, and Susan's act was truly pathetic from the get go... but as I said, that part is JMHO.

As a matter of fact, I 100% agree with you eeyorelrn... She can turn it on and turn it off when she feels like it. I guess I always sat on the side dumbstruck when I heard that jurors took into account so much consideration of the Silly String tape, it struck my heart as maybe not the actual facts, and just anger. However, I will say when I saw the video of Darlie And Darrin outside that fountain in front of their home taking down the memorial to the kids, I thought I was going to PUKE!!!!!!! That to me said, guilty, disgusting human pieces of crap!!!!! I have always sat on the side of innocence, however, I have never doubted she could be quite GUILTY!!! I just argue because I hate the death penalty unless it is PROVEN with witnesses and actual 100% provable evidence. JMHO.. Take Care All!!! Ann:twocents::twocents:

 

[cami]

I guess I will say it again "OUCH"... supposedly you are trying to help me through coming to your terms and idealization behind the crime, but slamming really isn't going to get you there Cami... Yes, I have actually read the book almost 9 years ago, so it has been along time. However, I have not read or seen it since so I am relying on you all to convince me that I initially had the wrong opinion??? Do you have the book??? How about the supposed tape you were going to send me or e-mail me??? Take Care and just my humble opinion also!!! Ann:twocents::twocents::twocents:

No one can convince of anything that you don't want to be convinced of. Well slamming Chris Brown does nothing to make Darlie innocent. His unprofessional opinions, his slamming the crime scene investigators and his alleging there is some kind of conspiracy here to convict Darlie is totally unfounded. Where's the proof? As I've said before if he has some kind of proof that the state was engaged in a coverup and a conspiracy to convict Darlie let him bring it to the authorities. I believe that 13 years of lost appeals cancels out his foolishness. It wasn't even a book, it was just tabloid and newspaper articles that he decided to edit, with sarcasm, bad grammar and terrible spelling. I don't know anyone who owns the book could actually read it, it's value is the CS photos. Many supporters have turned from innocent to guilty once that book came out.

You told me your vcr didn't work very well so I had to assume you didn't want the tape since you asked me if I could make it in dvd format. Give me your address and i'll mail the tape down to you. I'll email the videos right now and see if they work...they might not since i just videoed it from the tv, LOL.

 

[cami]

As a matter of fact, I 100% agree with you eeyorelrn... She can turn it on and turn it off when she feels like it. I guess I always sat on the side dumbstruck when I heard that jurors took into account so much consideration of the Silly String tape, it struck my heart as maybe not the actual facts, and just anger. However, I will say when I saw the video of Darlie And Darrin outside that fountain in front of their home taking down the memorial to the kids, I thought I was going to PUKE!!!!!!! That to me said, guilty, disgusting human pieces of crap!!!!! I have always sat on the side of innocence, however, I have never doubted she could be quite GUILTY!!! I just argue because I hate the death penalty unless it is PROVEN with witnesses and actual 100% provable evidence. JMHO.. Take Care All!!! Ann:twocents::twocents:

I hate the death penalty too, we don't have it in my country, but that doesn't stop me from believing in Darlie's guilt. Life in prison without parole would have been fine for me.

But Annekitty, they did prove it, the jury convicted and the appeals have all been upheld, the SC denied Darlie a new trial in 2003. These dna tests are her only hope.

And there is 100% provable evidence, the blood evidence. As well you know yourself the law is beyond a reasonable doubt...not 100%. No prosecutor will have that burden.

Take care.

 

[annkitty0630]

I hate the death penalty too, we don't have it in my country, but that doesn't stop me from believing in Darlie's guilt. Life in prison without parole would have been fine for me.

But Annekitty, they did prove it, the jury convicted and the appeals have all been upheld, the SC denied Darlie a new trial in 2003. These dna tests are her only hope.

And there is 100% provable evidence, the blood evidence. As well you know yourself the law is beyond a reasonable doubt...not 100%. No prosecutor will have that burden.

Take care.

I know Cami, I am 99% there finally, however, there is still that little kink in my brain that won't give in just yet. Can't wait to see the tape (yea, unfortunately the VCR isn't doing to well these days, everything is in DVD), however, I am sure i can probably get it to work. I really appreciate you sending it to me. It has been great going back and forth with you and rlaub44 and wonders for a majority of the time. Just think of it as I am that fighter that doesn't give up easily. LOL... Just HATE the death penalty sometimes, but not in all cases, some are 100% deserved and those should receive death the way they doled it out!! Have a Wonderful Evening!! Ann:twocents::twocents:

 

[Heart]

There were weapon marks. The pics of the crime scene on fordarlieroutier site has arrows pointing to the knife marks on the under part of her arm.

 

[annkitty0630]

There were weapon marks. The pics of the crime scene on fordarlieroutier site has arrows pointing to the knife marks on the under part of her arm.

And what is that supposed to mean Heart? Thanks!! Ann:twocents::twocents::waitasec::waitasec:

 

[Heart]

Ok this scenario might make more sense than Darlie hitting her arms against something for any reason and it puts into context why the killer may have changed his killing method as well.

Darlie is sleeping on the couch with a big ol blanket wrapped around her.

-Method changes due to the fact that the killer cannot successfully stab through the blanket.

Killer gets ontop of Darlie in order to get to her face and neck. Darlie is now awake and puts her arms up to defend herself from the attacker.

-Darlies story of fighting off the intruder is now viable.

Killer cannot stab through her arms so is now hitting her arms with the butt of knife, fists, blade, in order to get a good wound in.

-Darlie sustains bruising in proper places as shown in pics.

Killer finally has a chance to cut her neck but the couch is in the way of his arm so a clean cut from ear to ear is impossible thus making the cut taper off in the way showing in the pics.

This makes sense in ways much better than thinking Darlie could have done this all to herself. The blood evidence is a joke as well and the sink being wiped is a joke too.

 

[Crow_Ascending]

Not very well thought out. Have you seen a picture of the knife that was used? It is not unsharpened. It was sharp enough to punch through the ribs of the boys front to back, and could certainly go through a blanket. And how is Darlie all bundled up in a blanket yet has her arms free? If the killer had a chance to slice her throat, he could certainly have stabbed her in throat. Which brings back the question, why did the killer stab two defenseless boys and leave Darlie alive?