Just a theory about JBR case

[ekc]

If Burke did not participate in the cover up after the initial accident had happened and stayed in his room/bed for the whole night (as I believe it had happened in my theory), it would explain why there were so little forensic evidence of Burke being involved.

living in the house and having his play room in the basement should present ample fibers from Burke I would think...the absence of fiber is not plausible...just a thought

 

[Ponytale]

living in the house and having his play room in the basement should present ample fibers from Burke I would think...the absence of fiber is not plausible...just a thought

Yes, I suppose there were many fibers from all of them all around the house and that wouldn't mean anything because they all shared the same household.
The reply in mention was regarding fibers found on JBs body. Truth is, we do not know even for sure if and how many fibers from Burke were found on her (or anywhere in that matter), because his clothing was never taken into evidence and tested to be matched to any fibers.

 

[Swirlz]

Truth is, we do not know even for sure if and how many fibers from Burke were found on her (or anywhere in that matter), because his clothing was never taken into evidence and tested to be matched to any fibers.

There were dark blue and "dark" fibers found linking to SA. The dark blue fibers were consistent with cotton towel material and the "dark" fibers were scientifically matched to JR's sweater. There would be no motive to omit any additional fiber info from the autopsy summary, no fibers had been matched to anything specific at that point. And again; I'm referring specifically to fibers in JBR's labia/underpants crotch.

 

[CloudedTruth]

I've said the knife could have been used to cut the cord. The knife wasn't used to whittle the paintbrush. The autopsy report described the paintbrush as "irregularly broken", not whittled. Linda Hoffman-Pugh stated that she put the knife in the basement to hide it from Burke because it drove her nuts that he whittled in the house. It was Hoffman-Pugh's account that only Patsy knew where that knife was.

I'd like to dispel a falsehood about the knife that has been continuously repeated.

The knife found in the basement was NOT one of Burke's red swiss army knives. That was a misrepresentation that the police did leak. The officer who found the basement knife has since come out to clarify the story. His name is Kerry Yamaguchi. In his statement, he found a small knife with a red handle on a countertop in the basement near a sink. The knife was described as a "pocket knife". There was also a small purple ornament that had broken off it.

Burke had two red swiss army knives, one was larger than the other and had his name on it. It is unclear which of those two knives Linda Hoffman-Pugh confiscated and hid in a cupboard on the 2nd floor. The 2nd knife Burke had kept hidden somewhere in his bedroom, likely so that Linda wouldn't take that one too. Because the knife found in the basement did have a red handle, the police let a local journalist print a story that they had found Burke's red swiss army knife, and they also let Linda Hoffman-Pugh believe that too, which is why she then told police that only she and Patsy knew where that knife was hidden.

A second knife was found on a counter on the 2nd floor near the microwave in a utility room. Linda identified it as a knife from the kitchen and so did John. Linda told police that she had never seen that knife anywhere other than the kitchen. John confirmed that it was out of place on the 2nd floor.

Those two knives were taken into police custody. Neither was ever sourced as belonging to Burke. Neither of his red swiss army knives were found at that time. When the Ramseys moved back to Atlanta, someone else packed up the Boulder house for them. When unpacking the boxes in Atlanta from the move, both of Burke's swiss army knives were there.

The police did test both knives that they found, one of which was determined to have fibers on it consistent with the cords used to tie JonBenet's wrists. The police have not indicated publicly which of those two knives contained the cord fibers.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

I'd like to dispel a falsehood about the knife that has been continuously repeated.

The knife found in the basement was NOT one of Burke's red swiss army knives. That was a misrepresentation that the police did leak. The officer who found the basement knife has since come out to clarify the story. His name is Kerry Yamaguchi. In his statement, he found a small knife with a red handle on a countertop in the basement near a sink. The knife was described as a "pocket knife". There was also a small purple ornament that had broken off it.

Burke had two red swiss army knives, one was larger than the other and had his name on it. It is unclear which of those two knives Linda Hoffman-Pugh confiscated and hid in a cupboard on the 2nd floor. The 2nd knife Burke had kept hidden somewhere in his bedroom, likely so that Linda wouldn't take that one too. Because the knife found in the basement did have a red handle, the police let a local journalist print a story that they had found Burke's red swiss army knife, and they also let Linda Hoffman-Pugh believe that too, which is why she then told police that only she and Patsy knew where that knife was hidden.

A second knife was found on a counter on the 2nd floor near the microwave in a utility room. Linda identified it as a knife from the kitchen and so did John. Linda told police that she had never seen that knife anywhere other than the kitchen. John confirmed that it was out of place on the 2nd floor.

Those two knives were taken into police custody. Neither was ever sourced as belonging to Burke. Neither of his red swiss army knives were found at that time. When the Ramseys moved back to Atlanta, someone else packed up the Boulder house for them. When unpacking the boxes in Atlanta from the move, both of Burke's swiss army knives were there.

The police did test both knives that they found, one of which was determined to have fibers on it consistent with the cords used to tie JonBenet's wrists. The police have not indicated publicly which of those two knives contained the cord fibers.

This is very interesting. What is the source for this? I'd love to read more, and I haven't come across this (and if I have, I've forgotten it).

 

[jjleroche]

That ransom note had too much detail IMO. And written in the home is taking such a chance. I'm on the fence but there are opinions that sway me in both directions. I wish we knew the truth.

I don't really see any particular benefit to the Ramseys in them writing the ransom note.
It is packed with quotes from movies, mainly related to kidnapping. IMO if someone Googled something like "quotes - kidnap movies", they would all appear. It seemed to me that whoever wrote the note did just that, taking the opportunity to have a shot at John in particular, and seemed to be revelling in their "power."

I don't think there was technology in those days which could interrogate histories of numerous computers (ie for numerous suspects) - maybe there was, but I imagine it would have been a costly exercise.
I think such a check would have revealed some very interesting results.

A notebook (identical to that from which the ransom note's pages were taken) was located at the housekeeper's residence, along with identical Sharpies used for the ransom note. The housekeeper admitted that the notebook at her home came from the Ramseys' place.
IMO there's nothing conclusive which could be deduced from the above (but for my first point - ie I see no particular point in the Ramsey's writing the note. JMO

 

[Bekind89]

You can't know that as a fact. What I posted was just my theory and I happen to believe that a 9 year old child had something to do with it.

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I don't really see any particular benefit to the Ramseys in them writing the ransom note.
It is packed with quotes from movies, mainly related to kidnapping. IMO if someone Googled something like "quotes - kidnap movies", they would all appear. It seemed to me that whoever wrote the note did just that, taking the opportunity to have a shot at John in particular, and seemed to be revelling in their "power."

I don't think there was technology in those days which could interrogate histories of numerous computers (ie for numerous suspects) - maybe there was, but I imagine it would have been a costly exercise.
I think such a check would have revealed some very interesting results.

A notebook (identical to that from which the ransom note's pages were taken) was located at the housekeeper's residence, along with identical Sharpies used for the ransom note. The housekeeper admitted that the notebook at her home came from the Ramseys' place.
IMO there's nothing conclusive which could be deduced from the above (but for my first point - ie I see no particular point in the Ramsey's writing the note. JMO

I believe that note was written in order to scare PR into not immediately phoning the police. The note stated that JB would be killed if the police were involved.
The killer needed time to remove JB's body from the house before the police became involved.
If, and it's only speculation, but if that was the reason the note was written, it failed to work because PR called police immediately anyway.

 

[Ponytale]

The killer needed time to remove JB's body from the house before the police became involved.
If, and it's only speculation, but if that was the reason the note was written, it failed to work because PR called police immediately anyway.

If JB was killed around 1:00 AM as has been stated, her killer had around 5 hours to remove her from the crime scene if he/she wanted to do that.

 

[Bekind89]

If JB was killed around 1:00 AM as has been stated, her killer had around 5 hours to remove her from the crime scene if he/she wanted to do that.

But how was the killer going to remove her body without being seen/caught by PR or even the neighbors.
The killer as also left no footprints in the snow.
It is was Christmas, people had friends and family visiting. It would have been very risky to remove a body.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

If JB was killed around 1:00 AM as has been stated, her killer had around 5 hours to remove her from the crime scene if he/she wanted to do that.

Yes @Ponytale …. but IMO it seems that time might have instead been used to write the ransom note, stow / place JBR body in the basement, set the scene, place other evidentiary items (e.g. garotte; kitchen counter items: flashlight, pineapple bowl), address items in the basement room with the ‘broken’ window and suitcase. MOO

 

[Ponytale]

But how was the killer going to remove her body without being seen/caught by PR or even the neighbors.
The killer as also left no footprints in the snow.
It is was Christmas, people had friends and family visiting. It would have been very risky to remove a body.

I do not think the killer wanted to remove her body out of the house. The scene was staged - JB tucked into a soft blanket that was supposedly her favorite. IMO the killer(s) cared for her enough to keep her in her home. Aspects of this crime show parental care and love. If there was indeed a "crazy monster" lurking in their house with the purpose of killing their daughter and hurting them, the scene would have looked much more gruesome. IMO

 

[Bekind89]

I do not think the killer wanted to remove her body out of the house. The scene was staged - JB tucked into a soft blanket that was supposedly her favorite. IMO the killer(s) cared for her enough to keep her in her home. Aspects of this crime show parental care and love. If there was indeed a "crazy monster" lurking in their house with the purpose of killing their daughter and hurting them, the scene would have looked much more gruesome. IMO

I completely agree. It has been years since I have studied this case so forgive my memory, but did we ever find out who drew that little heart on JB's hand?

 

[Ponytale]

I completely agree. It has been years since I have studied this case so forgive my memory, but did we ever find out who drew that little heart on JB's hand?

The topic of the heart does not get much discussion anymore. There are people who believe that it is a heart and people who do not see a heart. It seems something that is hard to prove to be of significance and has been suggested that it was JB herself who drew it.

 

[Bekind89]

The topic of the heart does not get much discussion anymore. There are people who believe that it is a heart and people who do not see a heart. It seems something that is hard to prove to be of significance and has been suggested that it was JB herself who drew it.

Thanks. It was very noticable to me when that tabloid leaked those photos of her, but I have a daughter and she and her friends did the same thing almost daily at that age.

 

[jjleroche]

Because the DA was intimidated by John Ramsey's money and by his connections.

Do you have a source?

 

[Bekind89]

Because the DA was intimidated by John Ramsey's money and by his connections.

Please don't forget Lynn Wood. JR had that aggressive attorney threatening to sue everyone.

 

[Swirlz]

Do you have a source?

Snipped from child abuse investigator Holly Smith's Denver Post article interview:

Smith says she also saw things in the Ramsey investigation that she's seen in other cases, like the factor that money played in it.

"No one is exempt but people with money are able to keep themselves more cushioned," she says.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Do you have a source?

After looking into this, it was somewhat ironic to find that the only one who ever seems to have been cowed by the Ramseys' status was commander Eller - and that was only for a few days before he turned on a dime.

Honestly, if Eller had stepped aside and let Mason handle this case with the assistance of Walker and Hofstrom, I fully expect the case would have been solved in 1997 and successfully prosecuted in 1998.

 

[CloudedTruth]

This is very interesting. What is the source for this? I'd love to read more, and I haven't come across this (and if I have, I've forgotten it).

It's in one of the BD police reports. #2-17 and #1-104 I think. It's been quite awhile since I became aware of that. But I remember distinctly the description of the pocket knife with the red handle and broken purple ornament that was found near the knife.

Steve Thomas is also asked about it in his deposition for Wolf vs. Ramsey. He refers to the knife that was found in the basement as a red pocket knife. When asked if it had ever been sourced to Burke, he replied that it had not by the time he left the force.

What has always stood out to me is that a Swiss Army knife is very distinctive and has the logo visibly displayed. Even the smaller Swiss Army knives are multi-tooled. Confusing it with a simple pocket knife with a red handle seems unlikely.

 

[Chypre]

John was asked extensive questions about whether or not he helped JBR in the bathroom or with dressing that day and he adamantly denied having had that kind of contact with her and Patsy didn't say she recalled him doing this either. Both John and Patsy were asked extensive questions about laundering and both denied the sweater John's fibers in JBR's vulva had been shed from had ever been either worn or laundered before, their position was that the sweater had been taken from straight out of the package.

The fibers that were found INSIDE the ligature knot could NOT have been transferred by Patsy touching or caressing JBR's neck after she'd found the body. Either Patsy tied the knot or handled the cord very shortly before and handed it to the person who did.

No investigator other than James Kolar has ever suggested they believe Burke Ramsey is the perpetrator of this crime. Kolar reviewed evidence while working briefly for the Boulder DA in 2005 and self-published a book titled Foreign Faction.

I watched The Case of JonBenet and the team suggests it was Burke.