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"The girl’s father, Lou Pelletier, told the Boston Globe that they decided to admit Justina to Yale-New Haven Children’s Hospital after the 16-year-old began suffering from gastrointestinal distress and developed difficulty walking. She has since been transferred to the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia for additional testing as the family felt the hospital has the most expertise to treat Justina’s medical disorders."
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...al-justina-pelletier-is-back-in-the-hospital/

BBM
I assume the bolded portion is an error /typo by the Blaze. As far as I know, the parents have not said that Justina was walking again.
 
That guy is the evening editor at the Blaze. I think he got himself confused when he was culling the info from the Boston Globe. I have yet to see any other original reporting on the current situation by anyone other than the Boston Globe. I am surprised the Fox guy from Hartford hasn't reported anything about it yet.

If anything, Lou has suggested her current situation is deteriorating.
 
Just curious if anyone here is following Isaiah's case. Not a mito patient. He was court ordered in Chicago after his mom demanded he be sent to Philly. She was transporting him from multiple hospitals and posting their excursions/sight seeing as she transferred him to at least 4 hospitals. He does not have a thread that I am aware of but the mom behaved similar to Justina's dad. The case is now sealed under court order so not much info is available.

I haven't heard about him, but thanks for bringing him up so I can look up the story...
 
"The girl’s father, Lou Pelletier, told the Boston Globe that they decided to admit Justina to Yale-New Haven Children’s Hospital after the 16-year-old began suffering from gastrointestinal distress and developed difficulty walking. She has since been transferred to the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia for additional testing as the family felt the hospital has the most expertise to treat Justina’s medical disorders."
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...al-justina-pelletier-is-back-in-the-hospital/

BBM
I assume the bolded portion is an error /typo by the Blaze. As far as I know, the parents have not said that Justina was walking again.

The Blaze, house organ for the Glenn Beck empire, is not known for journalistic excellence. But who knows what Lou might have said. Seems unlikely, though, I will agree. Lots of new stories, all repeating old discredited stuff the family put out, and with comments attacking BCH are now popping up on the Web all over again, and IMO, the hysteria just reeks. One comment called for an actual attack, like with guns. Stuff like that shows how dangerous the whole Pelletier drama has become. IMO, the family should at the very least ask their followers not to post such incendiary stuff.
 
That guy is the evening editor at the Blaze. I think he got himself confused when he was culling the info from the Boston Globe. I have yet to see any other original reporting on the current situation by anyone other than the Boston Globe. I am surprised the Fox guy from Hartford hasn't reported anything about it yet.

If anything, Lou has suggested her current situation is deteriorating.

I also am surprised Beau Berman of Channel 61 here in Hartford has not weighed in,, but I am sure he will. His most recent story is dated Oct 6. I will post if and when he reports anything new.
 
"The girl’s father, Lou Pelletier, told the Boston Globe that they decided to admit Justina to Yale-New Haven Children’s Hospital after the 16-year-old began suffering from gastrointestinal distress and developed difficulty walking. She has since been transferred to the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia for additional testing as the family felt the hospital has the most expertise to treat Justina’s medical disorders."
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...al-justina-pelletier-is-back-in-the-hospital/

BBM
I assume the bolded portion is an error /typo by the Blaze. As far as I know, the parents have not said that Justina was walking again.

What expertise do the parents have to make that sort of judgment regarding which hospital is best, considering that there apparently isn't an official diagnosis?

Also, is a 16 year old still considered a child when it comes to medical care? Surely it would be more appropriate to put her in a regular hospital.
 
What expertise do the parents have to make that sort of judgment regarding which hospital is best, considering that there apparently isn't an official diagnosis?

Also, is a 16 year old still considered a child when it comes to medical care? Surely it would be more appropriate to put her in a regular hospital.

Medically, age 16 is still considered pediatric. Many adult specialists and sub-specialists are unwilling to take on a patient under the age of 18. Even if they were to find specialists willing to take her, the thought of hospitalizing a normal 16 year old with 40 year olds seems somehow as inappropriate as hospitalizing a 2 year old with a 16 year old. Added to that, Justina is reported to be developmentally delayed and operating at a level below her chronological years. A children's hospital is likely the best placement for her.

Whether CHOP specifically is the best hospital for her "complex" case is debatable. CHOP is a fantastic hospital with specialist physicians more then qualified to take on her case. However, Boston Children's and Yale New Haven Children's were equally qualified to handle her care. The parents' past history is to move to another facility (hospital shop) when they do not get the treatment, procedure or diagnosis they want. I believe that they are following that pattern again by moving her to CHOP.

MOO
 
I watched a live stream of Beau Berman, a local reporter in their community. He interviewed Jennifer Pellitier, and he said that it was the doctors at the Connecticut hospital that told them she should go to the hospital in Phildelphia. She said the doctors have been very caring for Justina. I think the family is respecting the hospital's and Justina's privacy now. The reason they were sharing so much before publicly is because they were alarmed at the actions the BCH took in taking their parental rights ( they asked CPS to do this) and BCH position that she suffered from somatoform, or that her symptoms were psychosomatic.
 
The Channel 61 report is online as a video and as text. Here is a portion:

". . . On Dec. 1, 2014, Justina’s Yale doctors advised a transfer to Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, where Justina is now.
Her parents and one of her older sisters are in Pennsylvania as well, where Jennifer Skypes with Justina hoping to keep her spirits high.
The family said a lack of treatment for Justina’s mitochondrial disease while in Boston, has had lasting effects on her. “It set her back,” said Jennifer.
Justina’s family would like to see her return to Connecticut in time for Christmas. Once again they’ll be placing their trust in doctors, but this time, hoping for a better outcome.

“They [doctors] all do want the best for her and they’ve expressed as well they want to help her get better and they feel bad for what she`s been through,” said Jennifer.
Jennifer said there is not a clear timetable as to when Justina might be released from the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.

http://foxct.com/2014/12/09/justina-pelletier-transferred-to-philadelphia-hospital/

This report also states that Justina was diagnosed with mito by Tufts, although we all know from published quotes from Dr. Korson that mito was only a provisional diagnosis, never conclusively proven. So the poor reporting continues.
IMO, it seems odd to me that Jennifer would say “They [doctors] all do want the best for her and they’ve expressed as well they want to help her get better and they feel bad for what she`s been through."
Well, of course they do. Any doctors would. Including the ones at BCH, who also wanted the best for her and to help her get better. And they did make her somewhat better, even if the family hated their diagnosis and methods. Tufts and Yale-NH and being home again did not make her better, in fact, she got worse...IMO that seems to get ignored in the ongoing debate.
 
Medically, age 16 is still considered pediatric. Many adult specialists and sub-specialists are unwilling to take on a patient under the age of 18. Even if they were to find specialists willing to take her, the thought of hospitalizing a normal 16 year old with 40 year olds seems somehow as inappropriate as hospitalizing a 2 year old with a 16 year old. Added to that, Justina is reported to be developmentally delayed and operating at a level below her chronological years. A children's hospital is likely the best placement for her.

Whether CHOP specifically is the best hospital for her "complex" case is debatable. CHOP is a fantastic hospital with specialist physicians more then qualified to take on her case. However, Boston Children's and Yale New Haven Children's were equally qualified to handle her care. The parents' past history is to move to another facility (hospital shop) when they do not get the treatment, procedure or diagnosis they want. I believe that they are following that pattern again by moving her to CHOP.

MOO

I find that surprising since biologically a 16 year old is an adult. The original pediatric hospitals apparently cut off at 15 years, which makes sense since the treatment of someone older than that is not different from any other adult. Some modern hospitals use the age of consent as the dividing line, while other (such as this one) use biological criteria, which is generally less than 15 years old for most people, although older people may be included if they all below certain physical criteria.
 
The Channel 61 report is online as a video and as text. Here is a portion:

". . . On Dec. 1, 2014, Justina’s Yale doctors advised a transfer to Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, where Justina is now.
Her parents and one of her older sisters are in Pennsylvania as well, where Jennifer Skypes with Justina hoping to keep her spirits high.
The family said a lack of treatment for Justina’s mitochondrial disease while in Boston, has had lasting effects on her. “It set her back,” said Jennifer.
Justina’s family would like to see her return to Connecticut in time for Christmas. Once again they’ll be placing their trust in doctors, but this time, hoping for a better outcome.

“They [doctors] all do want the best for her and they’ve expressed as well they want to help her get better and they feel bad for what she`s been through,” said Jennifer.
Jennifer said there is not a clear timetable as to when Justina might be released from the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.

This report also states that Justina was diagnosed with mito by Tufts, although we all know from published quotes from Dr. Korson that mito was only a provisional diagnosis, never conclusively proven. So the poor reporting continues.
IMO, it seems odd to me that Jennifer would say “They [doctors] all do want the best for her and they’ve expressed as well they want to help her get better and they feel bad for what she`s been through."

http://foxct.com/2014/12/09/justina-pelletier-transferred-to-philadelphia-hospital/

Well, of course they do. Any doctors would. Including the ones at BCH, who also wanted the best for her and to help her get better. And they did make her somewhat better, even if the family hated their diagnosis and methods. Tufts and Yale-NH and being home again did not make her better, in fact, she got worse...IMO that seems to get ignored in the ongoing debate.

Just to point out, that is what THEY are saying, we don't know what the doctors actually told them.
 
I find that surprising since biologically a 16 year old is an adult. The original pediatric hospitals apparently cut off at 15 years, which makes sense since the treatment of someone older than that is not different from any other adult. Some modern hospitals use the age of consent as the dividing line, while other (such as this one) use biological criteria, which is generally less than 15 years old for most people, although older people may be included if they all below certain physical criteria.

If a hospital, such as a small community hospital, has no pediatric floor, pediatric and adolescent patients will be admitted to adult floors. Some small and rural hospitals have no pediatricians, and use internal medicine and family docs.

A tertiary care pediatric hospital will have a number of patients above the age of 16, and occasionally some patients into their 20's and even 30's. As an example, cystic fibrosis (a congenital disorder) used to be considered strictly a pediatric disease (not necessarily any more, though, as life spans have been lengthened by improvements). Most of these patients, if they survived past their teens, continued to be cared for by their pediatric specialists as long as they lived. We had many CF patients in their 20s at the pedes hospital I worked at early in my career.

Often adolescent and young adult patients with significant developmental disorders, orthopedic conditions, cerebral palsy, epilepsy, etc. will continue to be cared for by pediatric specialists. This is particularly true if the patient needs multidisciplinary care, including physical therapy, adaptive devices (special wheelchairs and walkers, braces, etc).

A "pediatric" specialty hospital in my area where one of my daughters receives care has changed their tagline to "lifetime care", and includes phrases such as "specialty health care across the life span."

Basically, if a patient has a chronic condition/s that they have been cared for in a pediatric hospital since early childhood, they will continue on with their pediatric specialists until their early to mid 20s, at least.

Justina has been ill for many years, and it is entirely appropriate that she continues to be cared for in a pediatric tertiary care facility. She is a developmentally delayed adolescent, with significant medical and psychological/ behavioral needs. These needs are very different that the needs of adults and older adults. It's not just about how much the patient weighs, or if they are adult sized. Adolescents are not just little adults. They have unique needs, especially if they have chronic conditions.
 
I find that surprising since biologically a 16 year old is an adult. The original pediatric hospitals apparently cut off at 15 years, which makes sense since the treatment of someone older than that is not different from any other adult. Some modern hospitals use the age of consent as the dividing line, while other (such as this one) use biological criteria, which is generally less than 15 years old for most people, although older people may be included if they all below certain physical criteria.

The document you linked is a local county emergency medical service guideline for how EMT, ambulance, and other pre-hospital personnel are to treat children. In an emergency response situation treating an older adolescent who has attained adult size and weight characteristics with adult dosages of medications and using adult sized equipment is standard. This document lays out treatment guidelines for children under age 15 who have not reached adult size.

Most 16 year olds have reached puberty, but they are still growing and developing both physically and mentally. They may have reached the height and weight of an adult, but they still have different medical needs then a 30 or 40 year old patient. Medical protocols and medications are often different for an adult sized but still developing body. Even FDA approval of medications, medical devices and medical procedures are based on pediatric vs adult age cut offs of 18 or occasionally 21. Freestanding children's hospitals routinely treat patients well into their 20's and, as kz pointed out, in some cases for life.
 
I didn't realize there was a link in Tugela's post. But yes, for things such as advanced cardiac life support protocols, both age and weight are considered for resuscitation meds. An adolescent with no significant medical history, who is receiving general anesthesia, will receive induction meds based on their weight, as well as taking into consideration how sstable they are, and why they are having surgery. (Ex- a traumatic motor vehicle accident with a fracture, vs an elective tonsillectomy, etc.)

The whole picture of an adolescent's care has to be evaluated when determining who the best care team is for them. For example, a 16 year old with no medical history, and a broken arm, would likely be treated by adult orthopedists. A 16 year old with a congenital or chronic neuromuscular or orthopedic condition would likely be treated by pedes ortho. A pregnant 13 year old would be cared for by "adult" obstetricians or family doctors, and admitted to an "adult" labor and delivery unit.

Generally, when chronically ill adolescents reach young adulthood, there is a transition plan discussed for moving them over to adult specialists. They often overlap some visits as they establish a relationship with new docs, and it's necessary to make sure all of their records are shared and copied over to the new docs, which can be a lengthy process. It doesn't happen suddenly, and they are never "kicked out" of a pediatric hospital, or refused admission. Sometimes their insurance situation changes, and it's an appropriate time to plan the transition. Sometimes they are moving to another geographic area, and need to establish a new care team. Every situation is different. The optimal situation is that families are prepared for transitions to new care teams well in advance. Everyone understands that it is a stressful, and sometimes emotionally traumatic experience, to leave long established care relationships with trusted docs and providers.

As I see it, the Pelletiers are very resistant to establishing any kind of trusting or ongoing relationship with any caregivers. The minute they hear something they don't like, they turn aggressive, and doctor and hospital shop for a new situation with new caregivers to begin again. It's a pattern for them, IMO. It's clear Justina has some medical health problems, but equally clear that the parental psychological manipulation she is subjected to is a far more serious situation for her than any of her medical problems, IMO.

It's my opinion that when custody was taken from the parents, the docs and hospitals were evaluating Justina for physical medical child abuse. MCA has only been successfully prosecuted for actual physical harm on a child. To my knowledge, there have been no prosecutions of emotional/ psychological manipulation abuse, although most health care professionals acknowledge that psychological manipulation that reinforces the sick role in children (especially vulnerable and developmentally disabled children) is abuse. It's just not the kind of abuse that rises to the level of being able to be successfully prosecuted, so when it's identified, it's handled thru family courts and medical providers such as psychologists.

I think it's unlikely Justina has been the victim of physical medical child abuse. But I think it's absolutely certain she is a victim of severe and ongoing psychological manipulation (and that's abuse, even if no one is yelling at her) by her parents, who, IMO, strive to keep her in the "sick and deteriorating" role, with lots of drama as they systematically sabotage every hospital and care provider they take her to.

The parents get a tremendous amount of secondary gain from Justina's care and care decisions. The parents, in their "folie a deux" believe that Justina is "so sick" that there are *no* health care professionals that can effectively treat her. They have built their entire lives around this meme. They are entirely co-dependent in their delusions, IMO. Folie a deux. Munchausen by proxy. Medical child abuse. It's all the same for the child victim-- who is never allowed to get better.

Sadly, I think the parents will seek guardianship for her as soon as she turns 18, and then Justina will have an almost impossible situation to either break away from, or try to improve. Unless something drastic changes in the next 2 years, I see a pretty bleak future for her. JMO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folie_à_deux
 
I have been wondering if Jessica will have a miraculous recovery once she is aged 18-19-20 and can get away from her parents.
 
There are quite a few conditions where a patient has a period where he/she appears better and then has a relapse/episode/crisis, etc. It's a well known phenomena.

Has anyone noticed a correlation between the times she has had to be hospitalized and when her father travels out of town for one reason or another? I haven't delved into this story as much as you guys, but that seemed to stand out to me.
 
As someone opined recently, it seems that the Pelletiers simply refuse to acknowledge The Boston Globe and their recent article about Justina but now that Beau and the Foxnewsers have reported, they are all over it.

The Miracle site has a couple of recent posts about the new Fox articles with dozens of reader comments.

One comment that interested me (and I wonder if anyone here can inform or comment?) - paraphrased the comment says that the Philadelphia Children's Hospital will make Justina "comfortable" but that the hospital does not believe in supplements.

I never link to the Miracle For Justina Facebook site because its primary purpose (in my opinion) is to collect donations.
 

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