DC DC - Relisha Tenau Rudd, 8, SE DC, 26 Feb 2014 - #4

[Kimster]

Another man first connected to the abduction, Rickie Sheridan Lyles, is no longer believed to be with Relisha.

He is not a POI in this case at this time.

http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/dc/2014/03/20/8-year-old-girl-missing-southeast-dc/6642457/

 

[Cinnamon]

i would look at the first page in the first thread i believe it would still be there.
he is be a nephew to tatum............not sure i can mention his name.

Ok, will do. TY!

 

[kimi_SFC]

Timeline questions- when was the lime purchased, what date?
when was his wife found?
how long was the wife thought to be dead? Was she found right away?

Chief Lanier has pointedly refused to confirm anything other than the garbage bags in every single presser. She was very specific that those details would not be released by her during an active investigation. IMV, she feels it might hurt the investigation to release this, as things are ongoing.

The media released the information regarding the shovel and the lime from unnamed police "sources", IIRC. This has been restated as fact since then, but not confirmed by LE, AFAIK.

Therefore, we don't have those details.

Please, correct me if I am wrong.

:seeya:

 

[CHICANA]

i would look at the first page in the first thread i believe it would still be there.
he is be a nephew to tatum............not sure i can mention his name.

Is that the same nephew that spoke on JVS the other night ?

 

[Solitaryone]

I've been "haunting" the threads here about Relisha every day and night, I was so tired yesterday, I went to sleep early. Well, for me it was kinda early. I made myself stay away from the thread last night so I'd be able to sleep. ) I'm caught up now but missed the press conference.

Much thank's to Kimi_SFC for transcribing JVM! I know that wasn't easy! I don't have cable so I'm unable to watch HLN. The CNN transcripts just don't get the nuances of the speakers down, and some words are left out. They can't convey the how the speakers' really sound either. I understand why that is, and I'm so grateful Kimi_SFC for you taking the time to transcribe these interviews the way you do! I could almost "hear" MTY, and her stuttering over certain points, changing stories, getting defensive over relationship between SY and KLT, and so much more.

I think SY did have a sexual relationship with KLT. I also think she knew why KLT showed such an interest in Relisha. I think that MTY knew of KLT's motives, and is covering her own a$$ as well as trying to cover for SY. I think both SY and MTY will be arrested at some point, along with others and they should get the book thrown at them!

I also think that Relisha is somewhere in that park. How many times do we see cases where an area is searched, and I mean thorougly searched, even numerous times in some cases, and they don't find the body, but the body is found right in the search areas or right outside the perimeter of the search areas?

I think KLT killed himself right where he was found, and I think he was there since probably March 21, or before LE sealed off the park in preparation of the searches.

Much thank's to Popsicle and everyone who keep us updated and provide links!

Please God let Relisha be found.

 

[kimi_SFC]

KLT bought the trash bags, lime and shovel on March 2. The wife was killed either very late March 19 or morning of March 20 at Red roof Inn. The LE found her the same morning March 20th.

Hi Solitaryone,

Was this according to "police sources" - and linked somewhere in one of our awesome timelines?

I distinctly recall Chief Lanier refusing to confirm the lime and shovel while transcribing the pressers.

I am just trying to clarify, and am not doubting you.

I am sure the details exist, and the media probably has it right.

However, there's a reason Chief Lanier is handling it this way (even if it makes sleuthing a bit more challenging)....

:tyou:

 

[spoonarmy]

2) Regarding the latest info we received after his body was found we know that he used his bank card to pay for parking on 3/18 in the DC area. And then there was the statement about "and used the account, associated with his Gmail address, again on March 21 at 3:12 a.m." http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...7d38aa-b8d1-11e3-9a05-c739f29ccb08_story.html

Some bank cards are tied into an email address if you get those prepaid things that are offered online. Do we know if they mean he used the bank card again on the 21st? Or did he access his email? Because LE did file warrants with Google for his email records.

One possibility might be that he was using Google Wallet. I have my credit card linked my Google Wallet account, and use the NFC feature of my Nexus 5 phone to pay at Whole Foods, Walgreens, etc.

Google Wallet functions on many types of devices, including phones without NFC. Here's information from Google on that.

 

[kimi_SFC]

I've been "haunting" the threads here about Relisha every day and night, I was so tired yesterday, I went to sleep early. Well, for me it was kinda early. I made myself stay away from the thread last night so I'd be able to sleep. ) I'm caught up now but missed the press conference.

Much thank's to Kimi_SFC for transcribing JVM! I know that wasn't easy! I don't have cable so I'm unable to watch HLN. The CNN transcripts just don't get the nuances of the speakers down, and some words are left out. They can't convey the how the speakers' really sound either. I understand why that is, and I'm so grateful Kimi_SFC for you taking the time to transcribe these interviews the way you do! I could almost "hear" MTY, and her stuttering over certain points, changing stories, getting defensive over relationship between SY and KLT, and so much more.

I think SY did have a sexual relationship with KLT. I also think she knew why KLT showed such an interest in Relisha. I think that MTY knew of KLT's motives, and is covering her own a$$ as well as trying to cover for SY. I think both SY and MTY will be arrested at some point, along with others and they should get the book thrown at them!

I also think that Relisha is somewhere in that park. How many times do we see cases where an area is searched, and I mean thorougly searched, even numerous times in some cases, and they don't find the body, but the body is found right in the search areas or right outside the perimeter of the search areas?

I think KLT killed himself right where he was found, and I think he was there since probably March 21, or before LE sealed off the park in preparation of the searches.

Much thank's to Popsicle and everyone who keep us updated and provide links!

Please God let Relisha be found.

You're welcome! After comparing notes (from the 1st segment - which literally took me a couple of hours to transcribe less than 20 minutes - and that included skipping commercials :facepalm: !), I still need to go back through and see what else the cnn.com transcription is missing.

JVM kept interrupting MTY, and when the two of them are talking over each other, cutting each other off, etc., I was yelling at the screen for Jane to :censored: and let MTY talk (because she was doing a great job putting out new details for us to analyze)!

Your kind words keep me going :hug:

Their words are SO revealing. Relisha suffered in silence, in the shadows, for years. Their words speak the truth of the family dynamic, even in Relisha's absence. No amount of collusion, fancy story telling, or accessorizing after the fact will EVER change the reality of Relisha's life.

We are here to shine a light on that - one word at a time - one post at at time.

Thank you all for standing with me, and being her voice.

:grouphug:

#FindRelisha

 

[Solitaryone]

Hi Solitaryone,

Was this according to "police sources" - and linked somewhere in one of our awesome timelines?

I distinctly recall Chief Lanier refusing to confirm the lime and shovel while transcribing the pressers.

I am just trying to clarify, and am not doubting you.

I am sure the details exist, and the media probably has it right.

However, there's a reason Chief Lanier is handling it this way (even if it makes sleuthing a bit more challenging)....

:tyou:

You're right KimiSFC, no worries! I think Chief Lanier only spoke to the trash bags, and it was media reporting the lime and shovel based on unnamed LE officials. I believe KLT bought these items, but I haven't seen it confirmed anywhere. Can we still use it? I can't remember if the Home Depot video surveillance tapes showing KLT buying these items including the trash bags was said by LE or the media saying unnamed LE officials, but I remember media reporting that too.

 

[hambirg]

deleted. . .woops!

 

[popsicle]

ABC7News ‏@ABC7News 49s
.@DCPoliceDept : Kenilworth Park in D.C. expected to reopen to public tonight. MORE: http://wj.la/1mN082V

 

[popsicle]

You're right KimiSFC, no worries! I think Chief Lanier only spoke to the trash bags, and it was media reporting the lime and shovel based on unnamed LE officials. I believe KLT bought these items, but I haven't seen it confirmed anywhere. Can we still use it? I can't remember if the Home Depot video surveillance tapes showing KLT buying these items including the trash bags was said by LE or the media saying unnamed LE officials, but I remember media reporting that too.

Yes, it only came from media however, one of the media reporting it actually dbl sourced the information. Unusual these days it seems.

 

[kimi_SFC]

HLN has posted a 5-minute segment from last night! Listen to MTY for yourself:

(It starts from the conspiracy theory, Comfort Inn, stuttering, pool party, other people, "No, I'm not defending him," etc. - she goes on and on, but the video cuts off abruptly. I wish it was the whole show!)

Grandmother of missing Relisha Rudd speaks out
By Richard Dool
updated7:47 AM EDT, Thu April 03, 2014

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2014/04/02/relisha-rudd-missing-grandmother


You'll get an idea of the crosstalk & how challenging it is to transcribe when these two start cutting each other off :blushing:

 

[modesty blaise]

Is that the same nephew that spoke on JVS the other night ?

no not the same person.

 

[FindingTheMissing]

Is that the same nephew that spoke on JVS the other night ?

i would look at the first page in the first thread i believe it would still be there.
he is be a nephew to tatum............not sure i can mention his name.

First of all, the man named originally was not Tatum's nephew, it was his brother in law. The father and the son have the same name, so when some found the son on SM they figured that was "the one" when it was actually the father named on the very first Amber Alert. It's very easy to tell the difference by looking at the spelling and middle initial. Regardless, he was cleared the same day, removed from the alert, and has not been named a POI in the case. And neither are the one from the JVM segment.

 

[hogwash]

Well said, SilkySifaka, your post is spot-on!

As for what the family knew, I'm not sure. They are a shady bunch for sure, IMO, but we can't really say what they knew. SY could have been lying to them, so yes, it is possible that they don't really know "the truth," whatever that truth is.

I do think that SY knows more than what she has said. And, I believe others, outside the family, know something. SOMEBODY knows SOMETHING, and they need to start talking!!!

WHERE is Relisha?!

I agree completely,Someone knows a lot ..Not only can they not keep their lies straight, but they can not even keep a straight face while telling their lies JMO:banghead:

 

[paintedred]

Argh - I just spent ages writing personal responses / thanks and all was lost when my wifi went down :banghead:

Thank you for all your kind welcomes and words. I really appreciate it :loveyou:


I agree with others posts regarding understanding how others run their families and life - it is hard to imagine the difference between what we define as ' normal' Mothering/parenting and circumstances compared to some. When you are not of that mentality you will struggle to see the sense behind their choices, you will also struggle to make reason of it, maybe they did this because of this, or they meant well but things went wrong..But still you cannot comprehend things...Really, to understand their behaviour you have to basically be like them or have first hand experience of it.

The way some are brought up and the mind set of certain people, regardless of culture, religion, social class and status - can be absolutely abhorrent to others, but to their family and friends it is the norm.

I have been in the company of people who were thought of as decent or just the same as 'us', but were guilty of the most awful decisions regarding morality and their children. Yes , they may have been junkies or thieves and so forth but they were seen as ' good guys' ,the same as others in the social community. Like it has been mentioned before - WE on the outside looking in may see this as not appropriate behaviour, but to those brought up living in this environment it is mostly acceptable and the done thing.
Everybody my family mixed with were dirt poor, stole, cheated, took drugs or drank and were harsh on their children, unemployment was rife and housing poor, the area was run down and life was pretty much a drag. So unless somebody was really super majorly evil like a murdering psycho, no one batted an eyelid at what went on or thought much of it. What went on behind closed doors was that persons business. We had a base of what was really not acceptable, but there was plenty that went on that definitely shouldn't have been .

Also, as much as friends and relatives think they know someone, that they would be surprised at what really goes on in private. Nobody knows the full workings of someone, nobody unless they live in that persons face 24/7 and even then you can be shocked.

I do believe SY knows mostly the whole story, I believe those closest to her know SOME of the story and I believe other relatives/ friends are just as bemused and confused by the whole thing themselves. The problem being , that there is so much NOT KNOWING, too much in fighting, lies, denial and drama talk -he said- she said - confusion coming out of so many peoples mouths, that nothing at all is being sorted out.
Even if you got these people in the same room to thrash out their facts and opinions you would just end up with a headache and more questions than answers.

Before it became private, there were (quite old posts) two birthday wishing status on SY social media. Both for her children, looked like their bdays were close. Anyway, the first was to her son and was quite kind and obviously well meant, the second was for Relishas birthday ..it was different, like an afterthought, it was shorter and less well meaning than the other post, almost like SY felt she HAD to write it, but the main thing that stuck out was that SY referred to Relisha as 'lil Mama' and ended the bday wishes with '...But don't forget / know your place.' I think that speaks volumes about Relishas standing and position in the family unit.

I agree that SY will have seen the children more as financial gain. I did see somewhere that she may have been in the CPS system as a child, had suffered sexual abuse herself, but this could have been a rouse like the ' she's (SY)in hospital' spin from TW at the very start of the investigation, in order to gain sympathy.

I don't know if she's (SY's)been brought up in that environment, or her background, or how fragmented her family all are, but contrary to popular belief, those who are abused as children DO NOT repeat the pattern. Bad or troublesome parenting will have a knock on affect through generations if things are not addressed, but in all studies and also in my extensive experience with others as well as myself, I can state that the statistics for true survivors of sexual abuse to go on to repeat the cycle or put their own children in the hands of abusers are extremely low, in fact the most you hear of previous sexual abuse being a cause for a sexual abuse pattern comes from the mouths and testimony of male sexual abusers, it is a common defence ploy - they will say ' I WAS ABUSED AS A KID' to excuse their behaviour and gain sympathetic sentencing etc - this is a well known trick, the saddest thing is these men / women using this defence has made the public think it is common to repeat sexual abuse - it is not.
I have never met a woman (or male) who has survived and gone on to repeat abuse. Usually, we suffer some degree of PTSD and mental health issues for life and when we become parents we love and care so obsessively for our babies that we NEVER let them out of our sight, or we see danger in every innocent situation. I wouldn't even let my childrens father bath them or change nappies - I saw evil in everyone, no matter how nice they seemed, I had to protect my girls. I also was brought up in pure dysfunction, but something inside of me made me strong and knew it was not right, I broke out and never put my children through what we all went through as kids.

As much as we can say the situation SY was in caused her behaviour, lack of money, drugs etc.. There are many mothers in the same situation who do not act this way and would never do what she did.

KT would probably always find vulnerable children to pick out, due to his nature and his work enabling the opportunity, but without her Mothers cooperation, Relisha may not have been in the dire situation she is in today.

I also believe they need to look carefully at the man who was in the original Amber alert, the man who saw KT last, dropped him places, was in the hotel room, has a child abuse history, is KTs brother-in-law and close friend. There are a few more pieces in this puzzle that once placed together will give us the bigger picture.

 

[kimi_SFC]

I post this hesitatingly, mostly because JVM called him to the carpet. No disrespect intended to Relisha, or the Kelly family intended, whatsoever.

kt's nephew's appearance on JVM, with commentary by Marc Klaas:

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2014/04/02/relisha-rudd-kahlil-tatum-nephew

 

[hambirg]

Is that the same nephew that spoke on JVS the other night ?

He's not his nephew, but brother-in-law.

 

[Just K]

BUT, someone had one of his phones in Gilpin Court and drove that GmC to Richmond. IMO, it's one of the three others from the Days Inn.

Something occurs to me: KT had both his vehicle and his wife's at the Days Inn yet he needed a ride/drop off at the metro. Why, to go get the GMC with the MD plates?

I just wish someone would take each one of these witnesses/ family members and make them tell their complete story in Chronological Order!
When did you first meet KT?
Did you ever meet his wife?
Did you ever see him or his wife or grandchildren with Relisha?
Have you ever met Relisha or anyone in her family?
What were you doing at the Days Inn?
When did you get there?
In what vehicle did you arrive?
Who was there?
What did they drive or how did they get there?
What did each person do there?
Where did you go until 6:30 AM?
How did you get there?
Who was there and etc etc etc...

CHRONOLICAL ORDER, please!!!