DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #14

[BondGirl]

Which car was SS driving on Wednesday? Or, did JW drive him? Has his info ever been released? It has been bugging me for weeks. Which car was parked behind the Mosler? Is it possible that it could not be moved because it was blocked by a car? And they could not find the keys. Maybe that was the reason why SS called JW at 11:54. Perhaps if JW drove him home on Wed he inadvertently put the keys in his pocket I know most people have two sets. But we are down to one set on three of our cars from the Fobs being lost or broken.

That's what I was wondering or one of the daughter's cars. SS may have known he wouldn't be driving the Mosler before boarding school graduation when the daughter would be back in town or so. If I recall it was a Land Rover that blocked it which seems like it could be one of the girl's cars. I don't see them wanting a Bentley.

 

[kammiemc]

I'm still not convinced the money came from the bank that morning, as opposed to a safe at AIW.

I know, the longer this goes on, the more I start to question everything.

We only have JW's account that he got the money and dropped it off at the house. For all we know, he could dropped it off at DW's place of residence.

I'd have to look back at the docs, but I think it was written that JW and the accountant responded to the bank. Unlike a lot of other things, it was not written as something JW "stated." Dunno of that means they verified it with the accountant or not. But, one of things they were looking for in JW's car was BofA paperwork, which leads me to believe they thought something came from the bank, at least originally.


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[BondGirl]

Did any part of JW's versions of events include that SS was home with a "sick" AS and "having problems" with PS? I can't remember? IIRC he knew SS was called home from the dojo on Wednesday because AS was "going out" and needed him at home for PS. And also, did he say that's why he dropped "package" in the red car Thursday, cuz SS was tending to family?? Because if he included all of this as part of his story, it absolutely would be a logical conclusion to think SS was one of the victims in the fire.

Well I don't think covering for SS who wasn't shady makes any sense. If SS was stuck at home then all the more reason why JW should have texted more about to do's for Friday.

 

[BondGirl]

Remember the photo of the Porsche and the donut swirls in the parking lot? Why drive in circles?

I also wonder if the concussion was the end of PS driving days since AS other children had serious concussions in the past. Would it mean the need to employ JW was coming to an end?


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No because PS had another driving coach. JW had already been fired.

 

[BondGirl]

That's a good question. Since AS (whether she was nursing a sick PS or in the hospital) seemed to be used a prevailing cover as to why people couldn't come to door, etc., it would make sense that at some point that excuse would be given to JW. But, nothing in the docs or that has been reported that indicates JW was told anything about Amy.


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And it's weird that when NG texts Amy back she doesn't ask how she's feeling after VF supposedly had to stay with her overnight.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Trying to make sure I understand your post. Are you saying -
1. if Person X (JW, DDW, AIW acct'ant, or ?) had SDB key in hand,
2. went to BoA, showed ID,
3. said 'I want to access box #1234'
4. without SS (AS, if auth) being there in person &
5. without SS having previously signed bk docs to grant Person X access to box,
that, bingo, BoA would allow Person X to sign access log & to access SDB?
Is that what you're saying?
Respectfully, fact?
Your experience as SBD holder? As bank employee?
Your opn, and if so, based on what pls?
Or saying something else?

Anyone else -
Any employees of a bank HQ know of a policy permitting the ^?
Know of any situation where bk practice permitted ^?
Thx in adv.

I have a safe deposit box. Not in DC and not ina BOA.
But, IMO, banking practices are regulated and have tightened up as of last year. Even prior to last year, access to my SDB was very tight. I have a signature card on file, had to show photo id, log in on MY original card AND have rhe key that matches the bank's.
There is no way anyone but those authorized by SS would gain access. IMO

 

[BondGirl]

I know they hired a coach. But I am wondering if the family were reconsidering the value and need for a PA/driver. If the parents were considering making PS discontinue go karting, having JW around could add salt to an open wound. IDK

Thus, the escalation of JW's need for quick money to advance his career. IMO


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I think it would've been too soon after the concussion for that decision to have been made. They were focused on dojo, upcoming graduation etc

 

[birpu]

Also, check for basketball courts, pool and picnic area. Anything which would draw teens and young adults.

Does anyone know the name of the complex?


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You can see the pool on Google. What's unclear on Google is exactly where the numbers are in relation to one another. The name of the complex is Cambridge Apartments.

 

[radiator]

The reason I am so certain about the identification of SS is that there was a lot of speculation and worry among people who knew the family about who was in the house. So I remember the timeline of identification. THe body of a child was mentioned in the press very quickly and a person who worked in the neighborhood mentioned "the lady of the house" being there. There's no doubt that if PS was there, AS was there as well. By evening word was trickling out about the housekeeper. But as I've written, the 4th body was not identified publicly and speculation was that it was an employee. A reporter told me SS was missing. This was hours after the questioning of JW., so they probably knew even less at that point.

Even if they thought the 4th body was SS, they would not have told JW that. He hadn't been formally identified, the family was in the process of being notified (the girls were still at school).

Think about this: JW drops off the money. SS presumably needed it for a specific purpose and isn't going to sit around with it at home. JW would assume he was taking the money to do whatever he was going to do with it. So JW would not assume SS was at home.

BBM - I'm not sure if this adds to the discussion any but it was driving me nuts that I recalled reading somewhere that PS at one point was thought to be an adult. It was in the original search warrant for the house dated 5/14/15

"Located in a second bedroom on the upstairs level, was an adult individual (gender unknown) suffering from fire damage to it's [sic] body."

https://www.scribd.com/doc/268311018/Search-Warrant-Mansion-Murder-Case-061015

 

[Carolyn1963]

Here is a link to what I believe is the apt. Complex. There is even a shot of building 5301 in the video.

http://ross-companies.com/properties/cambridge-apartments-at-new-carrollton-station/


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[Skigirl]

That's not true. Only the signators to a box can access it. In fact it is recommended you not put anything you might need in an emergency. And not even your will if you are the only signature...because your survivors may have difficulty accessing. You can appoint a third party but you both must go into the bank to do that.


Stanganelli also recommends keeping items out of a safe-deposit box if you suspect you may need to retrieve them in an emergency, or if your survivors are likely to need them immediately after you die. (This latter criterion isn't an issue if you rent a box jointly with a surviving spouse or someone else, he says.)

Who should get access to my bank safe-deposit box?
Who can access the box? It depends on the names on the signature card for the box rental at the bank.

Read more: http://www.bankrate.com/finance/savings/4-bank-safe-deposit-box-questions-1.aspx#ixzz3dW9hoaet
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Yep, yep, yep! I live far from my mom and we hadn't had time for the two of us to go together to put me as a signatory on the account when she was hospitalized in a city an hour and a half away from the box. I had been a signatory on a previous box in another location. No way I was getting anywhere near the thing even with power of attorney. I was either a signatory or an executor with a death certificate, but barring either of those, nope.

 

[facundo]

Potential Gang Connection
I have been looking at a leads, which I believe are consistent with recent information that has been posted. DW’s atty made statements alluding to involvement of others, and DW being set up. LE have made statements suspecting involvement of other persons. IMO there is a strong indication that this crime is connected to gang activity. According to DNAInfo /1, DW spent days after the crime with his girlfriend in Brooklyn. After talking to her for several hours, authorities believe he returned to Washington to enlist the help of friends or relatives to help remain on the run. An accomplice is believed to have booked a room at the Howard Johnson Express Inn around 2 pm, May 21 /2. When cornered in Northwest Washington D.C., DW was in a Chevy Cruz accompanied by an Amrit box truck with two women and three men, authorities said. The SW for the Chevy Cruz recovered $10,000 in money orders /3, and the Amrit truck $10,000 in cash/4. The two women admitted purchasing money orders and cashing $2,500 each /5. (IMO) There is no mention that the money in the truck was still in bank bands, which Cdr Robert Fernandez characterized as a “wad of cash.” It is likely that the women had laundered the cash while DW was in New York. The money orders were in the possession of DW, while the laundered cash was in the possession of the two men in the truck. Most likely the original banded money had been provided to the women before DS departed to New York and were laundered before his return. This indicates to me a much more coordinated activity than acquaintances giving a ride to DW, and leads me to consider gang activity in the communities northeast of Washington, DC. IMO this gang expected to extort a far greater cash take than $40,000 but at some point the plan went south and they decided to eliminate witnesses and burn the evidence. I doubt very much that JW or any other persons in the business were involved.
Available LE information regarding gang activities in Maryland and specifically the MAP 76 Crew /6, /7.

1/ Brooklyn girlfriend: http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/201...paid-cabbie-1k-flee-nyc-as-nypd-moved-sources
2/ Accomplice http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-home-address-Northeast-DC.html#ixzz3dWaW6qCm
3/ $10,000 in money orders in car - http://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/man...ctims-31738740 video @6:45
4/ $10,000 in cash in truck - http://www.washingtonpost.com/posttv...4ae_video.html video @01:06
5/ $5,000 money orders cashed: http://www.scoopnest.com/user/AC360/603358164893962240
6/ TP Police http://tppolice.blogspot.com/2010/06/news-release-national-night-out-2009.html
7/ Gang Assessment - Maryland Coordination and Analysis (google this PDF)

 

[RTC]

Facundo, This is my theory as well. All gang members. JW not involved. All who were with him at the time of arrest were complicit in the crime in one way or another. Great post.
Great links. I better not type anything else since I don't have a way with words.:gaah:

 

[Carolyn1963]

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Potential Gang Connection
I have been looking at a leads, which I believe are consistent with recent information that has been posted. DW’s atty made statements alluding to involvement of others, and DW being set up. LE have made statements suspecting involvement of other persons. IMO there is a strong indication that this crime is connected to gang activity. According to DNAInfo /1, DW spent days after the crime with his girlfriend in Brooklyn. After talking to her for several hours, authorities believe he returned to Washington to enlist the help of friends or relatives to help remain on the run. An accomplice is believed to have booked a room at the Howard Johnson Express Inn around 2 pm, May 21 /2. When cornered in Northwest Washington D.C., DW was in a Chevy Cruz accompanied by an Amrit box truck with two women and three men, authorities said. The SW for the Chevy Cruz recovered $10,000 in money orders /3, and the Amrit truck $10,000 in cash/4. The two women admitted purchasing money orders and cashing $2,500 each /5. (IMO) There is no mention that the money in the truck was still in bank bands, which Cdr Robert Fernandez characterized as a “wad of cash.” It is likely that the women had laundered the cash while DW was in New York. The money orders were in the possession of DW, while the laundered cash was in the possession of the two men in the truck. Most likely the original banded money had been provided to the women before DS departed to New York and were laundered before his return. This indicates to me a much more coordinated activity than acquaintances giving a ride to DW, and leads me to consider gang activity in the communities northeast of Washington, DC. IMO this gang expected to extort a far greater cash take than $40,000 but at some point the plan went south and they decided to eliminate witnesses and burn the evidence. I doubt very much that JW or any other persons in the business were involved.
Available LE information regarding gang activities in Maryland and specifically the MAP 76 Crew /6, /7.

1/ Brooklyn girlfriend: http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/201...paid-cabbie-1k-flee-nyc-as-nypd-moved-sources
2/ Accomplice http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-home-address-Northeast-DC.html#ixzz3dWaW6qCm
3/ $10,000 in money orders in car - http://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/man...ctims-31738740 video @6:45
4/ $10,000 in cash in truck - http://www.washingtonpost.com/posttv...4ae_video.html video @01:06
5/ $5,000 money orders cashed: http://www.scoopnest.com/user/AC360/603358164893962240
6/ http://tppolice.blogspot.com/2010/06...-out-2009.html
7/ Gang Assessment - Maryland Coordination and Analysis (google this PDF)

Thank you for this wonderful post. I have no doubt the DC Police are investigating every lead. They are probably just dotting the i's and crossing the t's. I have been very impressed by their work. Even the withholding of info. It does not appear anyone is using this for political or self promotion reasons. They have been extremely professional IMO. I applaud them. I just want to know what they have found.


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[Sparky]

Hey Gang,

I was asked to delete a post, but I deleted a bunch of them. Think about what you're saying, it's on the Internet. :tyou:

 

[rkf]

JW knew how to drive the Mosler. He drove it before.
He'd know if it needed special keys.

But it could have been otherwise disabled - maybe a part at the shop, as I'm sure SS would have told them where to find the spark plug removed as a theft-deterrent.

 

[rkf]

Not if there were a transmitter that also had to be present in order for the key to work. There's no reason the owner would disclose to anyone that the transmitter was there or not there. With this security, SS would only put the transmitter in the car when it was supposed to be accessed with a key. Otherwise, the transmitter would be kept away from the car.

But if DW had a knife to PS, SS would hand over the transmitter tout suite.

 

[Paulas88]

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Potential Gang Connection
I have been looking at a leads, which I believe are consistent with recent information that has been posted. DW’s atty made statements alluding to involvement of others, and DW being set up. LE have made statements suspecting involvement of other persons. IMO there is a strong indication that this crime is connected to gang activity. According to DNAInfo /1, DW spent days after the crime with his girlfriend in Brooklyn. After talking to her for several hours, authorities believe he returned to Washington to enlist the help of friends or relatives to help remain on the run. An accomplice is believed to have booked a room at the Howard Johnson Express Inn around 2 pm, May 21 /2. When cornered in Northwest Washington D.C., DW was in a Chevy Cruz accompanied by an Amrit box truck with two women and three men, authorities said. The SW for the Chevy Cruz recovered $10,000 in money orders /3, and the Amrit truck $10,000 in cash/4. The two women admitted purchasing money orders and cashing $2,500 each /5. (IMO) There is no mention that the money in the truck was still in bank bands, which Cdr Robert Fernandez characterized as a “wad of cash.” It is likely that the women had laundered the cash while DW was in New York. The money orders were in the possession of DW, while the laundered cash was in the possession of the two men in the truck. Most likely the original banded money had been provided to the women before DS departed to New York and were laundered before his return. This indicates to me a much more coordinated activity than acquaintances giving a ride to DW, and leads me to consider gang activity in the communities northeast of Washington, DC. IMO this gang expected to extort a far greater cash take than $40,000 but at some point the plan went south and they decided to eliminate witnesses and burn the evidence. I doubt very much that JW or any other persons in the business were involved.
Available LE information regarding gang activities in Maryland and specifically the MAP 76 Crew /6, /7.

1/ Brooklyn girlfriend: http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/201...paid-cabbie-1k-flee-nyc-as-nypd-moved-sources
2/ Accomplice http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-home-address-Northeast-DC.html#ixzz3dWaW6qCm
3/ $10,000 in money orders in car - http://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/man...ctims-31738740 video @6:45
4/ $10,000 in cash in truck - http://www.washingtonpost.com/posttv...4ae_video.html video @01:06
5/ $5,000 money orders cashed: http://www.scoopnest.com/user/AC360/603358164893962240
6/ http://tppolice.blogspot.com/2010/06...-out-2009.html
7/ Gang Assessment - Maryland Coordination and Analysis (google this PDF)

Yeah, I agree with you? Just resonates true. If anyone has ever watched the HBO
series "the Wire", it's set in Baltimore, and written by an ex Baltimore police reporter.
Basically it's about the gangs of that City and LE's are always trying to catch them on the wire.

As suspicious as JW seems, I just can never place him with a DW type. Different worlds.

 

[rkf]

Did any part of JW's versions of events include that SS was home with a "sick" AS and "having problems" with PS? I can't remember? IIRC he knew SS was called home from the dojo on Wednesday because AS was "going out" and needed him at home for PS. And also, did he say that's why he dropped "package" in the red car Thursday, cuz SS was tending to family?? Because if he included all of this as part of his story, it absolutely would be a logical conclusion to think SS was one of the victims in the fire.

We don't know what was said in the unreleased calls, VMs and texts and the released ones don't tell us what SS said to JW. I believe JW left the dojo Wednesday at 3:30 (although I'm not sure where I got that - perhaps from NG, but then I don't know where I read it, so take with salt) and SS was called home by AS at 5:30. I would love to know how the various characters got home, since NG said she rode to the dojo with SS that morning. Did JW drive them? If so, how did three people get to their separate homes at different times?

 

[birpu]

Hey Gang,

I was asked to delete a post, but I deleted a bunch of them. Think about what you're saying, it's on the Internet. :tyou:

Thanks. I'm glad you did. We should have thought that through first...