DCF Worker States: Casey referred to Caylee as "that child"

[ScorpRising]

I referred to my son by numerous names in his 4 years. He has been Carter (his name), My little worm, Slurm, Prince Poopy Pants, My Moon Mooter, Moots, My baby, The boy (As in "How's the boy?" when calling to check on him from work), My son, Your son, Our son, Your grandson, The baby, The child, Handsome, 'Shomey ... At times, I call him Jacob (his middle name), Jake, Yecob, The devil in disguise, The little monster, Monstro, "The reincarnation of your great-grandfather", Buzz, Lil Buzz, Thick headed, Pig headed, Stubborn, Typical (insert my unmarried surname here) Boy, PITA, Sweets, Babs, Boy, Retrac (his name spelled backwards), Ret... I've called him by my dogs names and the dogs by his name. I could go on and on but I'll stop. I'll never be nominated for Mother of the Year but I do know that I love my baby unconditionally...

 

[countzero]

Well seems we all have "endearing" pet names for our kids. Which I think is great.

Huge difference is that I know that not one of us would use that name in the media when our precious child is missing or dead and we are pleading for the public to help us.

 

[smart blonde]

O/T...

I know a young woman that refers to her beautiful 4 year old daughter as "The Beast",
and often calls her by the nickname of "Beast", among other things. She says it as if it is a term of endearment.

I called her on it recently, and she tried to turn it around as if I am the one with the problem, that I was the one that needs to 'lighten up'.

This woman is 22 years old, and reminds me so much of Casey it makes my stomach turn. She is as promiscuous as an alley cat in heat, and completely self-absorbed.

The only saving grace in this case is she is not raising this baby, her mother (the baby's grandmother, who is my friend) has had custody of her since she was 5 months old, because of the 22 year olds on again/off again addiction to drugs. Thank God for the Grandma!

 

[kageykaren]

We all surmise that it is OK to have silly little terms of endearment that could be percieved by some helicoptor moms as offensive but to each his own is what I say. Except KC was not having a social visit, small chat get together . This was DCF who arrived at the A's most likely debriefed on the subject of KC possible involment. KC's affect was not one of hysteria,grief or concern in the first few weeks of house confiement. Insteaed KC wants to look for work helping abused and missing children (Noted: KC didn't cough of the word murdered children? KC was off the chart inappropriate causing alarm when she said, "That Child" this is what makes this word so alarming to FBI, LE, DCF, psychologistect... at that time. KC is a psycholinguist trained in psychology dream patient to crack! You guys and gals appear to be normal when using pet names for children, but you haven't just lied to police, led them on sacavenger hunt over Orlando. I don't think it is necessary rehashing all her carp but that one word for that day only appeared to make Kc distance herself from her actions. KC tried on yet another personna allowing her to once again make her feel she was in the drivers seat. To show you I'm not being accusitory of anyone who has pet names. My special one is, "You Little ****"

 

[MD MOMMY]

I'm not a fan of "that child" but then again I call my kiddos..monsters, munchkin's etc. and it's not meant in a negatory way at all. I've never referred to my children as "that" b/c IMO it sounds like I don't know them. I've said to my daughter at the park "don't you want to play with that little girl" b/c I don't know her. "That child" to me sounds like someone is distancing themselves from someone they know.

There are plenty of other ways to say something about YOUR child or children. I would say " I would do anything for her" "I would do anything for Caylee"..

 

[Crabcake23]

It appears to me that although the term "That kid" can be looked at as a simple non threatning term, we must look at the reasons for the interview. A child was missing, the mother was not being forthright and it was DCF's job to evaluate KC, study her reactions to pertinent questions in order to see just how she may have used the term to distance herself. For the circumstances KC put herself in to bring LE and DCF to her home makes her comment not appropriate at that moment in time. This interview was done so early in the case that I feel DCF was interviewing the same KC we have seen in jailhouse tapes, press conference, and court hearings. Her wanting to work with agencies for missing children was a manipulation to appear concerned, inteeligent, and positive for her future. I'm sure DCF workers found her grandios and her affect didn't match up to the circumstances she was being charged with and I'm sure DCF made her very aware of why they were there. This is what makes her statement of, "That Girl" disturbing and worth noteing in their chart notes after interview. I can help but imagine those workers walked out of the A's house cratching their heads, halfway smiling because they new they had their work cut out for them and probably had never interviewed a sociopath of KC's Callaber. All of you for the most part have stated you use the term in an endearing way. Would any of you use the term "That girl" if you were being interviewd for possible child abuse? These interviews are taken seriously and this one packed a punch!

I worked for the Florida DCF for 10 years. Never in my time have I seen a parent or even a caretaker refer to the child/victim as "that child". And I've seen a few sociopaths, let me tell you.

Casey is in a league all of her own. Same could be said for her mother.

 

[The World According]

I must have missed this part before...in the DCF visit at the jail, Casey says the family of the father of Caylee is in ITALY ! Then during the DCF interview at the home, Casey tells them the father is named Eric, she would not give the last name because of the "privacy of his family". She then said she and "Eric" met in Middle School and when he moved to Ky w/ his family they kept in touch. They later "hooked up" and Caylee was born (this must have been the story she spun for her parents benefit too). Casey tells DCF that Eric was killed in a car accident (she doesn't mention that he was on his way to Caylee's birthday at the time) and is buried in KY. She said the OCSO has ALL of this information ! Now here is where it gets good, Casey said Eric didn't support Caylee through "normal means", but did set up a trust fund in her name that he was contributing to prior to his death...I wonder if Cindy and George knew about this miraculous trust fund ?

Cindy said in one of her videotaped FBI or law enforcement interviews that the boy had agreed to have nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the baby, ever, and that is why they did not go after child support. She was adamant about that. If there had been a trust fund, then Casey, on the baby's behalf, could have tried to make a claim on the guy's estate when he passed on, because by supporting the child this way, he was the presumed father. This happens all the time when a married man, quietly supports his child and his family never learns about it until they get just such a lawsuit in the mail upon his death, wanting a portion of the estate, life insurance, etc. Cindy must have forgotten about that little short notice story of Caysee's to the DCF, or she would have had a ready excuse for that to LE to add to her story about the will they had Casey sign. Right? It must be hard to keep all the lies straight! This poem hung in nursery when I was a child:

Children Learn What They Live
By Dorothy Law Nolte, Ph.D.


If children live with criticism, they learn to condemn.
If children live with hostility, they learn to fight.
If children live with fear, they learn to be apprehensive.
If children live with pity, they learn to feel sorry for themselves.
If children live with ridicule, they learn to feel shy.
If children live with jealousy, they learn to feel envy.
If children live with shame, they learn to feel guilty.
If children live with encouragement, they learn confidence.
If children live with tolerance, they learn patience.
If children live with praise, they learn appreciation.
If children live with acceptance, they learn to love.
If children live with approval, they learn to like themselves.
If children live with recognition, they learn it is good to have a goal.
If children live with sharing, they learn generosity.
If children live with honesty, they learn truthfulness.
If children live with fairness, they learn justice.
If children live with kindness and consideration, they learn respect.
If children live with security, they learn to have faith in themselves and in those about them.
If children live with friendliness, they learn the world is a nice place in which to live.

Copyright © 1972 by Dorothy Law Nolte

If you live with Cindy, you learn to be Casey!

 

[tsitra01]

I don't think Casey is being critisized for referring to Caylee as 'That child" simply because we don't refer to our children by many other names but she was being
interviewed by DCF at the time Caylee was missing and Casey was'nt helping in any way to find Caylee. Every question answered with a lie. That I feel makes using "that child"
rather than Caylee very important and part of the puzzle

 

[TotallyObsessed]

Ya know what I think? That it's not so much what someone calls their child/children, as to how it's done (and in this case, by whom). Since it is the lying, coldblooded killer KC that is doing it, it offends the senses.

 

[babycat]

Ya know what I think? That it's not so much what someone calls their child/children, as to how it's done (and in this case, by whom). Since it is the lying, coldblooded killer KC that is doing it, it offends the senses.

Yes. Said clearly, concisely, and perfectly

 

[LancelotLink]

Italy?! What? I must have missed that one too...sheesh.

Didn't George say that Anthony is an Italian name?

 

[The World According]

We all surmise that it is OK to have silly little terms of endearment that could be percieved by some helicoptor moms as offensive but to each his own is what I say. Except KC was not having a social visit, small chat get together . This was DCF who arrived at the A's most likely debriefed on the subject of KC possible involment. KC's affect was not one of hysteria,grief or concern in the first few weeks of house confiement. Insteaed KC wants to look for work helping abused and missing children (Noted: KC didn't cough of the word murdered children? KC was off the chart inappropriate causing alarm when she said, "That Child" this is what makes this word so alarming to FBI, LE, DCF, psychologistect... at that time. KC is a psycholinguist trained in psychology dream patient to crack! You guys and gals appear to be normal when using pet names for children, but you haven't just lied to police, led them on sacavenger hunt over Orlando. I don't think it is necessary rehashing all her carp but that one word for that day only appeared to make Kc distance herself from her actions. KC tried on yet another personna allowing her to once again make her feel she was in the drivers seat. To show you I'm not being accusitory of anyone who has pet names. My special one is, "You Little ****"

Remember Yuri pointing out that never during the entire evening did she show any emotion or concern. The DCF worker noted the same, and that is why the statement of "that child" was of interest to them. Didn't Cindy tell one of her co workers that Casey and Caylee were off spending time together to "bond"? Cindy said last night on LKL that Casey was such a good mother, she forgets that it was well known that if she could have afforded a lawyer, she would have petitioned the court for custody. Also, who needs a counselor when they are torn between putting their foot down, throwing their daughter out and how it will hurt the grandchild when they have a loving situation going on? It is pretty easy to see what kind of moral examples Casey grew up with. I'm laughing about you noticing she wants to look for missing kids for a living now, yeah, as a bar fly you never know what nannys may be doubling as strippers needing a shot.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Hi LancelotLink! Long time no see, eh?

I think you are right IIRC. I also recall him calling Caylee 'that little girl' in one of the LE interviews.

 

[debs]

I think this is such a huge non-issue. "I'd do anything for that child" isn't a distancing comment, a snarky namecalling incident, or even a template of what bad mothering looks like. It was a statement made by one person to another speaking about a third. Had she said "I would do anything for that @#^@%^& kid" I'd be concerned, shocked even.

 

[LancelotLink]

I agree this was Casey laying out a script for her supporters, George and Cindy.

Casey just seemed to gloss over the 31 days with this little gem.
She stated when she could not find the C/V she began retracing her steps and making phone calls trying to find Zaneida. When this did not work she came home and told her parents.
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[LancelotLink]

Hi LancelotLink! Long time no see, eh?

I think you are right IIRC. I also recall him calling Caylee 'that little girl' in one of the LE interviews.

Hey, Matilda!
Yep, this document is verrry telling. It shows me that there was collusion going on way back in the beginning. I mean, we suspected that, however, this really proves it to me without a doubt, without haste and absolutely!

 

[waltzingmatilda]

I'm sure I've probably made the same statement regarding one or both of my kids but under different circumstances than this! I wonder if KC ever called Caylee by name during the DCF interview.

For instance if in this situation I may say "I'd do anything to find that child! Will is my only son and I'd travel to the end of the earth to find him."

But if KC never used Caylee's name during the interview, then that seems weird to me. JMO

 

[LancelotLink]

Hi LancelotLink! Long time no see, eh?

I think you are right IIRC. I also recall him calling Caylee 'that little girl' in one of the LE interviews.

And I wonder if they read DCF worker's expressions when she said this and decided to adopt this term in hopes of mitigating or softening public perception.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

And I wonder if they read DCF worker's expressions when she said this and decided to adopt this term in hopes of mitigating or softening public perception.

Ya know, it's hard to tell what this family thinks. It seems they should behave the opposite of what they feel is appropriate behavior. The collusion is obvious IMO.

 

[Intermezzo]

Didn't George say that Anthony is an Italian name?

Hi
In one of GA's LE interviews he briefly mentions his family, a sister who has issues, a brother-in-law who is well off financially(maybe the one with the car dealerships), his father and something about old Sicilian ways

Anthony as an Italian last name? I guess, yet I have never come across that last name(Anthony=Antonio) during the years I lived in Italy.