Deaths of Male College Students-General Discussion #5

[Tenneguy]

Interesting.There could be an Asian connection.The Gary Snyder poems,the boat docked at night that belonged to a company in China that was in Tennessee,and this point to the possibility.

 

[Joanie]

This young man disappeared after drinking at a bar, ended up in the river, and strangely... the dogs traced him to an intersection instead of to the river bank. Very eerie case....
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A Smiley Face killing, possibly?
edit: sorry, this case was indeed posted above, must have missed that... but these targeted killings of young men are so terrifying, if they indeed are linked.

 

[RR0004]

As I was reading articles, I ran across this one and took note of a comment one reader posted http://blog.stephenleary.com/2008/04/smiley-face-murders.html )

nancyp said...
I live in southern Minnesota.Last friday night a young man was stopped (in Spirit Lake Iowa) and asked for directions.As he approached the vehicle he was grabbed from behind, his hands were tied and he was tossed in the back seat. The 2 men drove him to a remote country lake, untied him and held him under water until they thought he was dead. This young man is a swimmer and has a record for holding his breath under water. He faked he had drowned. Terrified he remained in the water for what he felt was hours then found his way to a farm house where the local police were called. This young man is related to my sister through marriage and when my sister related the story to me I suggested she call the FBI She was told they ddn't see any link!! I don't understand the lack of follow up on theses cases.

I remember that the article of Gerald Smith who drown in Terre Haute,Indiana stated: "University police reported earlier Wednesday that someone saw a person matching Smith’s description talking for several minutes to a man and woman in a gold Toyota Camry or similar vehicle around 1:30 a.m. Friday morning near Second and Canal streets. " The article goes on to say: " At 1:14 am., about 30 minutes after he left the Ballyhoo, investigators found that Smith used his iPhone to access the Internet, according to ISU police." (http://www.tribstar.com/news/local_story_126223935.html )

Maybe he was accessing the internet for directions?

Another article that I remembered reading regarding a similar vehicle was of a Temple Student : " Tom T. Chiang, 28, of the 6100 block of Henry Avenue, was held on $100,000 bail at the Delaware County prison awaiting drug and alcohol evaluation, police said.

An unidentified 23-year-old man was leaving the Swarthmore library at 2:14 a.m. when a 1997 Lexus driven by Chiang pulled alongside him and Chiang asked for directions, police said. When the student refused to get into the car, they said, Chiang got out and tried to force him inside. They struggled, and the student broke away and called police from a nearby campus building. Chiang was seen driving north on Route 320 by Marple police. He left his car and was caught by police after a short foot pursuit."

(http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20080503_Temple_student_charged_with_kidnapping_try.html )


This incident (May 2,08) happened on almost the exact same day that Gerald Smith went missing (May 1,09). The vehicle descriptions are similar.


The defendant, Tom T. Chiang, 28, of the 6100 block of Henry Avenue, was driving a tan, four-door 1997 Lexus when he stopped the student walking from the McCabe Library shortly after 2 a.m., and asked for directions to the president’s house, according to an affidavit of probable cause for his arrest.
( http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64230&page=11 )

Notice how similar the times are too. I'm sure this is another way the killers take their victims.

There's should be more info on the thread about Chiang.

 

[Patience]

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[mysterygirl]

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Thanks! That has all of the links in one place.

 

[mysterygirl]

http://kctribune.com/article/KC_New...f_Students_Death_Reopened_By_KBI_Agents/18838

Well this is certainly no accident.

What I found interesting is that his cell phone was missing. An unidentified WOMAN reported a body- although ruled accidental at first--parents kept pressuring LE.

The horror of having your son on his cell phone tell you he is being chased while you look at a map to try to guide him when you are in another state!

Although this could be drug related......the fact that LE was so quick to say accident could very well the problem with some of these deaths.

 

[Trino]

This week my husband and I took a boat ride past the area where DZ (MN) fell into the river. From above the river I wondered how he fell because there are trees/vegetation that would seem to break a fall. From the river I also wonder - so many trees. I just don't see how he could have fallen. Although there are some drops, it's not a sheer drop from cliffs, and even at the water level there are sand bars that might allow someone to save himself. There are homemade trails down to the river. Of course, the river level was higher and the water was faster when DZ disappeared.

I just don't know what to think. Anything could have happened to DZ since he was diabetic and drinking. Toxicology tests were kept private, so we can only speculate on the results.

 

[Cherish]

This is really just a shot in the dark..... but..... I read articles of 3 canadian boys drownings. Two were from Toronto and this last one from Calgary. I google mapped the route from Toronto to Calgary by car and it eerily goes right through the path where most drownings occur. This is nothing new, but it appears to me that Minnesota is the half way point to these destinations. If someone were to travel this route for business matters.... I would guess they would stop along the way. Just me ..... thinking out-loud.

 

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