Did Dad take a Poly?

[Boodles]

I keep reading that Debra took and failed a poly according to her version of the story. Nothing on Dad, I wonder why police would just ask her and not him? Makes no sense unless he did take one and failed, or refused to take one, nothing is mentioned that I read of him taking one. anyone know if he did take one??? I would think they would scream from roof tops if he took one and passed! Which leads me to believe he refused one or failed one and is not talking about it. MOO

This question has been plaguing me all day! In one of Jeremy's early interviews, he said he offered but LE declined.

It's not possible that LE wouldn't want a poly on him, is it? (I know, nobody knows.) If they did not request this, their investigation has a huge omission.

Information, or should I say rumors, about this case, are out of control in the media. I have never heard so much hearsay in my life. And today's "anonymous source" who knows what DB and JI told police? Please....just another version.

 

[Boodles]

If someone could help me out here I'd really appreciate it. I keep seeing that JI had an "alibi" for that night and that everything "checked out" and that he was working at Starbucks (I've even seen reference to him having been seen on video at Starbucks the whole night).

Can someone point me to the source of these facts? I've been following this situation from the 1st day and I totally missed all that somewhere. It's driving me crazy.

Thanks in advance to anyone who can point me in the right direction!

The honest truth is, there is only speculation. We have no facts. We have what Jeremy said, but who knows if that has been corroborated?

LE is not releasing any information about anything or anyone. And it's driving the public crazy. But good for LE for keeping things close to the vest. That's how it should be; they should show their hand as they see fit according to their investigation strategy.

So we all just go around and around in circles speculating!

 

[Nixie]

One thing about the LDT is that if police didn't want one from Jeremy he might not be able to afford one. They are not cheap and if LE said he didn't have to take one or that they weren't going to pay for one that might be the reason he didn't take it. I don't have any idea why they wouldn't give him one, but the police are so tight lipped about the case and what evidence they have they might not think he needs one. LDT are not used for "fishing" for evidence. If his alibi is solid and they know he didn't do it there would be nothing to gain from a polygraph it can't be used in court or to obtain search warrants ect. It is just a tool used in an investigation but even if he failed or it was showed deception pertaining to certain questions it wouldn't help the case if they didn't know what questions to ask. Also with the lawyers and everything they would be right there and LE really wouldn't be able to find out much anyways.

 

[IWillDare]

Well, well...according to Vinnie P., the drinking buddy's husband took a poly...and passed, I guess.

So LE had the neighbor dude take a poly, but not JI? That sounds strange to me!

 

[MaryAnn]

The honest truth is, there is only speculation. We have no facts. We have what Jeremy said, but who knows if that has been corroborated?

LE is not releasing any information about anything or anyone. And it's driving the public crazy. But good for LE for keeping things close to the vest. That's how it should be; they should show their hand as they see fit according to their investigation strategy.

So we all just go around and around in circles speculating!

This is certainly not like the Casey Anthony case where we got every piece of information. We aren't getting anything but rumors that are being spread around on this board. This is why it's really bothering me that there are so many people that just want the parents jailed, kids taken away, LWOP, etc etc. We don't have the facts so to assume the parents are quilty is a "witch hunt" or a "lynch mob" mentality. How is everyone going to feel if DB and JI are completely innocent? Will anyone feel at all guilty for all the nasty comments spewed on this board. Sorry, but it's been horrific if you ask me. I keep coming back in hopes of getting some real info, but that's not the case. :banghead:

 

[Cher352]

So LE had the neighbor dude take a poly, but not JI? That sounds strange to me!

Strange to me too! No matter how iron clad JI's alibi was I cannot believe LE didn't ask for a poly from him especially now that we know the neighbor, SB's husband took one. For all LE knows JI could have hired someone to do it.

Wondering if he really refused one and if that is part of what LE considers "no longer cooperating".

 

[IWillDare]

Strange to me too! No matter how iron clad JI's alibi was I cannot believe LE didn't ask for a poly from him especially now that we know the neighbor, SB's husband took one. For all LE knows JI could have hired someone to do it.

Wondering if he really refused one and if that is part of what LE considers "no longer cooperating".

That's a really good point and I think you're spot on. I can't imagine a poly was not requested of JI. And since DB reportedly failed hers, JI certainly doesn't want the same results.

 

[Cher352]

This is certainly not like the Casey Anthony case where we got every piece of information. We aren't getting anything but rumors that are being spread around on this board. This is why it's really bothering me that there are so many people that just want the parents jailed, kids taken away, LWOP, etc etc. We don't have the facts so to assume the parents are quilty is a "witch hunt" or a "lynch mob" mentality. How is everyone going to feel if DB and JI are completely innocent? Will anyone feel at all guilty for all the nasty comments spewed on this board. Sorry, but it's been horrific if you ask me. I keep coming back in hopes of getting some real info, but that's not the case. :banghead:

You ar right of course, it has gotten very bad with some of the remarks here. I am still on that fence until I see some confirmed LE info.

As for the kids taken away thread, I looked at it the first day, refused to post on it and haven't looked at it since.

 

[SurfieTX]

A man who lives next door to the home of baby Lisa Irwin says he has met repeatedly with detectives and passed a polygraph.

CNN interviewed Wednesday the husband of Samantha Brando, who is good friends with Debbie Bradley and spent much of the evening Oct. 3 drinking and smoking cigarettes with Bradley. CNN is not identifying the husband, who declined an on-camera interview.

Reporter Jim Spellman said a spokesman for the Kansas City Police Department confirmed that the neighbor has been cleared of any involvement in the disappearance of baby Lisa. The spokesperson said the department "has moved on from him," according to CNN.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15953146/neighbor-says

 

[Elley Mae]

I want jeremy to take a poly.

My three ?'s

1) Did you get home before 3:30?

2) Did you call MW from the family call?

3) Did you walk down the street carrying you daughter?

 

[Abby Normal]

I feel somewhat confident that LE would have included this as a point to their uncooperative claims had he refused to take one. JMO but the only thing they have been forthcoming about is what more they need from the parents. jmo.

 

[serveitup]

So LE had the neighbor dude take a poly, but not JI? That sounds strange to me!

The neighbor dude was riding around that night no witnesses. JI most likely worked under a camera with a time/date stamp on it, so he had a witness!.

 

[DeAnn]

I want jeremy to take a poly.

My three ?'s

1) Did you get home before 3:30?

2) Did you call MW from the family call?

3) Did you walk down the street carrying you daughter?

Police know he did not get home before 3:30 a.m. Because the amount of time was so short between when he could physically get home (after leaving the Starbucks) and what time he called authorities and his seemingly believable response, police did not ask him to take a polygraph in those first days.

Police know he did not make any calls while at the Starbucks. Police know it was physically impossible for him to be walking down the street during those overnight hours before 3:30 p.m.

Any subsequent questions would have to be....have you since learned what happened to your daughter etc. etc. But police truly believed he could not have been responsible or had time to participate in an elaborate coverup before calling 911 around 4 a.m. during those first days when Debbie was asked to take a polygraph but Jeremy wasn't.

Hope this helps.

 

[iamnotagolem]

Unless what happened to Lisa happened before JI went to work, then his alibi is only his staged alibi.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I have been wondering about the dad and thinking maybe when he got home and found the mom passed out that HE did something with the baby BEFORE he woke her up, out of anger or whatever. Is there some reason no one is focusing on him, maybe I have missed something, but I keep thinking about this possibility. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Anything is possible at this point Snowflake.


By the way Welcome aboard!!:seeya:

 

[TorisMom003]

Police know he did not get home before 3:30 a.m. Because the amount of time was so short between when he could physically get home (after leaving the Starbucks) and what time he called authorities and his seemingly believable response, police did not ask him to take a polygraph in those first days.

Police know he did not make any calls while at the Starbucks. Police know it was physically impossible for him to be walking down the street during those overnight hours before 3:30 p.m.

Any subsequent questions would have to be....have you since learned what happened to your daughter etc. etc. But police truly believed he could not have been responsible or had time to participate in an elaborate coverup before calling 911 around 4 a.m. during those first days when Debbie was asked to take a polygraph but Jeremy wasn't.

Hope this helps.

Point #1: If JI got home around 3:30am why did he wait until around 4:06 am to call 911? I also do not believe that he was on camera the entire 10 hours that he was supposed to be at Starbucks. He would have taken at least one break during the time period and if that break was taken outside or out of the range of the camera's then there is no real proof that he was the there the entire time.

Point #2: We do not know if police know that he made any phone calls that night or not. None may show up on his work cell phone but I feel sure that since the Starbucks was still operational that their phone lines worked. JI could have made a phone call from the stores phone, could have made one from his work cell phone. Either way, LE isn't sharing that information so we really can only guess at this point.

Point #3: If LE truly believed that JI could not have been responsible, then why (according to JI) did they also accuse him of doing something to Lisa? Again at this point we have no real solid proof as to if LE suspects him of something or not. We only have JIs word that he has been cleared by LE along with everyone else he and DB gave as people to look at while saying that DB has not been cleared.

MOO

 

[Whisperer]

LDT's can be admitted in a court of law. Both parties must agree and that is not ever likely to happen. However, if both parties agree, it can be discussed in a court of law. That is the way I understand it in California.

 

[DeAnn]

Point #1: If JI got home around 3:30am why did he wait until around 4:06 am to call 911? I also do not believe that he was on camera the entire 10 hours that he was supposed to be at Starbucks. He would have taken at least one break during the time period and if that break was taken outside or out of the range of the camera's then there is no real proof that he was the there the entire time.

Point #2: We do not know if police know that he made any phone calls that night or not. None may show up on his work cell phone but I feel sure that since the Starbucks was still operational that their phone lines worked. JI could have made a phone call from the stores phone, could have made one from his work cell phone. Either way, LE isn't sharing that information so we really can only guess at this point.

Point #3: If LE truly believed that JI could not have been responsible, then why (according to JI) did they also accuse him of doing something to Lisa? Again at this point we have no real solid proof as to if LE suspects him of something or not. We only have JIs word that he has been cleared by LE along with everyone else he and DB gave as people to look at while saying that DB has not been cleared.

MOO

I figure he got home around 3:45 a.m. Supposedly he left work around 3:30 or just a little before ....4:06 a.m. was one of the times on the dispatch log. We don't know exactly what time the 911 call came in. I've seen referenced anywhere from 3:55 am to 4:05 a.m. If you have seen an exact time for the 911 call, I'd love to see that.

If JI had used a Starbucks phone, it would have been on the tape. If he had used the work phone, their cell phone company would have had record of that. I doubt he took an hour long break to have time to get to Starbucks, home and back.

 

[gluestk]

Would the dad need to take a LDT since his work hours were likely confirmed?
I bet JI's work cell phone usage was checked out to.