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Did the jury get it wrong?

  • The jury got it wrong

    Votes: 1,051 81.9%
  • The state didn't prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt

    Votes: 179 14.0%
  • The Defense provided reasonable doubt and the jury got it right

    Votes: 55 4.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 31 2.4%

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    1,283
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http://www.ajc.com/opinion/neal-boortz-anthony-verdict-1006140.html

Back off the rhetoric about the jury. At least these people served. I would suggest that unless you heard every second of testimony I did and reviewed every item placed in evidence, I did, the jurors did not ask to review any evidence during deliberation were not as prepared to render a verdict as they were. You’re upset? Vent that on the prosecutors who, it seems, over-charged Anthony. They didn't over-charge her, based on the DT own admission, she was present when Caylee 'drown' and did not seek medical help for her, making her guilty of the charge of AGGRAVATED MANSLAUGHTER OF A CHILD§ 782.07, Fla. Stat.Maybe you can write an angry letter to the police who didn’t do a thorough search the first time they were called to the location he screwed up BIG TIME and he was terminated from his job where Caylee’s body was eventually found.

If you’re ever wrongly accused of a crime you don’t want capable citizens to remember the anger focused on the Casey Anthony jury and say no thanks to their summons. I would welcome capable citizens to judge me, I wish the 12 jurors on the Anthony trial HAD said no to their summons You may need 12 people just like these someday. If I had the misfortune of having 12 people just like those, I would most definitely beg to be judged by a Judge.
NEXT......

The statements I am adressing, I have underlined, my responses are bolded
 
I would welcome capable citizens to judge me, I wish the 12 jurors on the Anthony trial HAD said no to their summons. If I had the misfortune of having 12 people just like those, I would most definitely beg to be judged by a Judge.

Wow. Just wow. Just mind blowing is all. Even Jeff Ashton has the courtesy to accept (and understand) the verdict and thank them for their duty.
 
OFF TOPIC - If you are on facebook, show your support by changing your wall picture to a picture of Caylee...... and spread the word!
 
Stacy Honowitz said that her law professor told her to bat her eyes at jurors and get them to like her and she would win. It may boil down to that. The jury may have liked Baez and detested Ashton for his bully tactics. Judge Siedlin said there was two prosecutors in that room and implied the judge was too obviously pro prosecution. Also, the jurors were presented with testimony from experts (who Jeff Ashton mocked extremely) and told they could choose to give any of the experts testimony weight in their decision. Because of the defense's experts testimony the jury may have believed that it was reasonable to believe that they were right versus the state's expert witnesses. I believe it was JA's behavior toward Baez and his witnesses that lost the case for the state.

And the jurors were instructed that the attorneys were not on trial and were not to take into account how they acted. So what would that say about the jurors?
 
. Even Jeff Ashton has the courtesy to accept (and understand) the verdict and thank them for their duty.

I agree, he is very gracious like that.

Me, I would be thankful for their duty if they had actually heeded the Jury Instructions.
 
I dont know why you are so "wowed", 90 percent of everyone I know agrees that the jurors messed up. And from most polls., most people online do too. I think the word "accept" has many different meanings. You can accept something but still disagree with it, and point out the problems. When you hear a juror explaining her decisions and it sounds like she didnt follow the law, why shouldn't we be upset? As a matter of fact, one of the experts on HLN just stated that she was suspicious of Juror 3 from the start, that she seemed to eager, her answers were too perfect, and when it seemed her answer wasnt well received, she would quickly adjust it. Low and behold, she is the first one to come out publicly and receive compensation.

I give them credit for not trying to get out of jury duty, I really do . But past that, no more credit. God knows how much of our taxpayer dollars here in Florida were spent to get justice and keep this criminal off the streets, and I believe it was for nothing. Even Jeff Ashton said he felt a Not Guilty verdict after deliberating for only 11 hours was unreasonable. If they had taken longer, looked at the evidence, and then said Not Guilty, I would still not like it but probably wouldn't be so angry.

I know some people dont agree with what I am saying, but I hope you respect the fact that we should be allowed to voice our frustrations and demand some changes.
 
You put alot of thought and reasoning into this post and I wanted to do more than just hit the 'thanks' button.

I wish you had been on the jury :(

I believe in our justice system, and I'd like to believe that we get things right more often than we get things wrong; however, juries are not infallible. Juries don't always interpret the evidence and/or the law correctly; innocent people are convicted (and even sentenced to death), and guilty people are set free. As much as I dislike that, it happens because our system is not flawless. That being said, I respect the jury's decision, but I do not agree with it. My opinion is not based on mere emotion; it's based on the evidence I saw presented during the trial.

Here's how I connected the dots based on the evidence:

The Car

I believe that there was a dead body in the trunk at some point. This is based on the testimony of several people who have had numerous experiences smelling dead bodies (including Simon Birch, who has also smelled all sorts of garbage/rotten food due to his prior work in waste management), the cadaver dogs, the chemical analysis, and the death band on the hair.

Here's the thing, though: As the defense pointed out, some of the technology/science the state presented is still new, so it's not 100% reliable. If the state had only presented the hair with the death band, for example, I would have reasonable doubt; however, when you take all of those things together, it's far more reasonable to believe that there was a dead body in the trunk than it is to believe that all of the trunk evidence was incorrect. When I consider the fact that Casey's defense attorney admitted that Caylee died on June 16th, I feel even more strongly about this.

Access to the Car

The DT seemed to imply that since George had keys to the car, he also had access to it and may have been responsible for putting Caylee's body in the trunk . . . which is odd when you consider the fact that they'd been fighting so hard to prove that there'd never been a body in the trunk in the first place.

But the thing is, when would George have had a chance to put the body in the trunk? If I remember correctly, the DT seemed to try to imply that he could have done it after Casey left her car or after it had been towed, but to believe this would mean that one would have to believe that George somehow randomly found her car in a city as big as Orlando, somehow transported a decomposing body in his own vehicle, somehow put it in Casey's car in a public place where he could have been seen, and somehow later came back to take it out. That, IMO, is far less reasonable than believing that Casey put the body in the trunk, even if you only go on the basis that she had more access to the car. (Of course, there are other things that tie Casey to trunk and to the crime itself, and I'll get to that in a bit.)

Chloroform

Regardless of whether or not the chloroform site was visited eighty-four times, it seems clear that someone* searched for it -- along with instructions on how to make it. That alone isn't too damning, but it is when you consider that the reason the computer was searched to begin with was due to unusually high levels of chloroform in the trunk. If the state had only presented the computer searches without presenting the evidence of chloroform in the trunk (or vice versa), then I would have reasonable doubt on this issue. The chloroform in the trunk could have been explained away by cleaning products, but when you view the evidence in conjunction with the computer searches, it seems far more sinister and a lot less coincidental. True, there is no proof that chloroform killed Caylee, but since evidence of Caylee's dead body and chloroform were both found in the trunk, there seems to have been some sort of connection. Personally, I've always believed she used the chloroform to knock Caylee out before placing the duct tape over her nose and mouth because there'd be no reason to place duct tape over her nose and mouth if she'd already been killed by the chloroform. I think it's likely that she used the chloroform to prevent a struggle.

*I'm not even going to mention Cindy's testimony because I think the state proved pretty conclusively that she was at work when those searches were made. George was also at work when these searches were made, so that leaves us with Casey.

The Duct Tape

This, IMO, was the murder weapon. Like Jeff Ashton said, there is absolutely no reason to put duct tape over the nose and mouth of a child, regardless of whether the child is dead or alive. Some people have speculated that the duct tape may have been used to stage a kidnapping, but this did not look like a kidnapping; it looked like a murder by suffocation. Kidnappers generally use duct tape to prevent someone from making noise, so if this was a staged kidnapping, the duct tape would have only covered her mouth. There would have been no need for three pieces to cover her nose and her mouth. Others have suggested that she may have used the tape to prevent decompositional fluids from coming out of her nose and mouth, but by the time her body was decomposed enough to be leaking fluids, that would be the equivalent of putting a band-aid on a gaping wound. Her face, along with the rest of her body, would have already been leaking.

So ... did someone put the duct tape on Caylee's skull after it was already decomposed, which is what Dr. Spitz suggested? First of all, why would anyone do that? There is absolutely, positively no evidence that any of the investigators tampered with the scene. The defense claims that Roy Kronk moved the body and may have placed the tape on Caylee's skull, but why on earth would he do that? Why would he care if her mandible became detached from the rest of her skull? What reason would he have to risk tying himself to the scene -- and, therefore, possibly implicating himself -- if all he cared about was claiming the reward money? I'm also not the least bit concerned about the lack of DNA on the tape and the lack of tape residue on the skull. After all, both had been exposed to the elements for six months, so that's not too unexpected.

Basing his opinion on the "pet cemetery" testimony, one of the alternate jurors thought that the tape could have come from the burial, but that doesn't really make sense. First of all, the Anthonys didn't place duct tape on their pets' faces. Secondly, the presence of the duct tape on the nose/mouth area -- with the mandible still attached -- strongly seems to indicate that the duct tape was placed on her face prior to decomposition, otherwise the mandible would have become detached when her face decomposed.

Tying Casey to the Crime Scene

The laundry bag Caylee was found with came from the Anthony home. The remains of the shirt found with Caylee's body hadn't been seen in the Anthony home, but Caylee was seen wearing it in a photo she'd had taken with Casey. Therefore, it's logical to assume that Casey may have kept it with her in a diaper bag. IIRC, Cindy also testified that she hadn't seen Caylee's Winnie the Pooh blanket since May of 2008, so it's logical to assume that Casey also had this in her possession. As far as I'm concerned, these things (along with other things, of course) rule out everyone in the Anthony home except for Casey.

The Manner of Death and Other Things

Dr. G said that Caylee died as the result of homicide by undetermined means. She based this on the duct tape and the manner in which Caylee was found. She also said that whenever an accident happens, 911 is always called. When you take this into consideration -- along with the rest of the evidence -- it seems reasonable to conclude that Caylee did not die as the result of an accident. There is no logical reason to make an accident look like a murder.

And last but not least, we have Casey's behavior. As you may have noticed, I've listed this last. Contrary to popular belief, it's possible to come to the conclusion that Casey killed Caylee without even looking at her behavior; however, when you look at her behavior in conjunction with everything else, it's pretty damning.

All that being said, I have no idea why the jurors were unable to put the puzzle pieces together. Like Vinnie Politan said, what other reasonable explanation is there that explains all the circumstances? Many of the jurors have said that they needed a motive, a concrete cause of death, a time of death, a place of death, etc., but legally, none of those things were required. Don't believe me? Take a look at their jury instructions.
 
I used to dream about hitting the lottery. Now my dreams are seeing ICA walk out of jail on CM's arm, walking toward a microphone to give a statement, then BAM! The FBI walks up to her and slaps on the cuffs for perjury and violation of Caylee's rights..... One can wish......
 
I just cannot imagine, if they felt strongly, that they would just cave so quickly. They could have given themselves another 48 hours, or slept on it. I have a feeling the trial went on too long, and they just did not want to stay and keep hashing it out. It is just odd, the way it tipped, though.

I have to wonder if that wasn't part of the DT strategy. That whole idea of declaring her competent to stand trial toward the end of said trial. Plus the intentional violations, of reports from expert witnesses, which caused the SA to have to depose expert witnesses during the trial. I think they were intentionally trying to sabotage Judge Perry's promise, to the jury, to hopefully be done by July 4th.
 
And thank goodness for that. If he believed there was a huge miscarriage of justice I expect he would speak out about that, yet he hasn't.
Wait until his book comes out ... I can guarantee that what he said in those TV interviews and what he really thinks are two different things.
 
And thank goodness for that. If he believed there was a huge miscarriage of justice I expect he would speak out about that, yet he hasn't.

He has made it clear she killed her child, and that he believes the verdict was wrong, but says that is our system. He just left the State Attorney;s Office, Im sure he still is under some obligation to not rock the boat, since to many people he still represents them.

He has already pointed out that if the jury found Casey not guilty simply because they thought George was involved, that they shouldnt have done that since there was no evidence of George being involved. He also did not like Juror 3's comment about her being a murderer if she found Casey guilty, and he pointed out that they were not allowed to consider the punishment in the guilt deliberation faze. I think his feelings are pretty clear, just because he isnt screaming and hollering Justice for Caylee!!! doesn't mean much, considering he has a responsibility to not fan the flames of the public.
 
And thank goodness for that. If he believed there was a huge miscarriage of justice I expect he would speak out about that, yet he hasn't.

He has made it clear she killed her child, and that he believes the verdict was wrong, but says that is our system. He just left the State Attorney;s Office, Im sure he still is under some obligation to not rock the boat, since to many people he still represents them.

He has already pointed out that if the jury found Casey not guilty simply because they thought George was involved, that they shouldnt have done that since there was no evidence of George being involved. He also did not like Juror 3's comment about her being a murderer if she found Casey guilty, and he pointed out that they were not allowed to consider the punishment in the guilt deliberation faze. I think his feelings are pretty clear, just because he isnt screaming and hollering Justice for Caylee!!! doesn't mean much, considering he has a responsibility to not fan the flames of the public of public anger,
 
I feel that the Jury used pure speculation & unsubstantiated claims by the defense to come to the conclusion this was most likely "just an accident". It's easier for them to believe in an an accident than it is to believe that a mother could do something so horrible to her own child. Their minds were made up before they even started to deliberate & any time a cold hard fact got in the way of their "Accident Theory" they tossed it aside.

Juror # 2 told Greta Van S. that she didn't believe that there was any Chloroform in the trunk & that LE just exaggerated that because they found Chloroform searches on the Computer 1st. Did she even bother to look at the evidence to see weather LE found the Chloroform in the Trunk 1st or the computer searches for Chloroform 1st..??

She is basically saying that LE lied about the presence of Chloroform in the trunk just because they found the computer searches.

I'm so sick of hearing that there wasn't enough evidence to find Casey Guilty. If you took the same circumstances & evidence of this case & applied it to a Man murdering his wife then this jury would have come back with a guilty verdict.

They took the easy way out..."It had to be an accident". They just couldn't wrap their heads around the Pure evil that is Casey Anthony
 
The jurors had a job to do. A job that surely should have taken more than 10 hours. You peepers, mentioned respect-----
Caylee deserved respect.
Caylee deserved justice.
Those 12 jurors ignored much of the facts. That baby didn't walk into trash bags and she didn't put duct tape around her head 3 times.
How will the jurors live with themselves knowing they let a child killer walk?
They did not let her walk,imo. The case was not proven to them and I do not agree that they ignored facts.

Everything is open to interpretation. We had a case here where the jury was shown a video of the ENTIRE CRIME which was a gang rape! Yet, the doubt instilled by the defense team was enough to hang the jury. I was really angry about that for a long time. Then I realized that they interpreted the same thing I saw with different eyes and as much as I absolutely did not get to where they did, I came to understand their verdict (kind of)
But,ultimately it came down to the DA overcharging and while punishment should not be considered, there is always the human element and these jurors were searching for a way to keep from sending teenagers to prison for life.
The DA recognized that as an issue.Ultimately they were re-tried and convicted, but the DA reduced the number of charges and the charges themselves to get that conviction and they did so easily.I think they were guilty of every single original charge based on the video alone. But I respect that even though the DA felt as I did, they wanted to make sure these boys got puished rather than walk, so the gave the jury what they could handle.

The SA in this case needed to recognize the difficulty they would have in convicting a young mother of killing her child with no direct evidence;especially with a premeditated charge. JA himself said it is a hard concept for many to grasp.

IMO,if they had gone for an involuntary manslaughter charge based solely on the 31 days of no reporting and built a case around a mother that was so dysfunctional she made bad decisions every which way she turned and supported that with behavioral evidence, they would have won a conviction easily. IOW, we cannot necessarily prove premeditiation, but we can prove through circumstantial evidence that this woman was involved in Caylee's death in some capacity, I think they would have convicted with ease. they went all or nothing and that,imo, was a strategic error. But there is certainly an argument to be made that it was a worthy gamble.

Jurys are a funny thing and largely unpredictable. I am not a gambler by nature, so I would have gone with the safer bet.
 
I bet Jeff Ashton would say a LOT of things about these 12+ jurors if he could simply speak his mind the way we can!

I'm sure the prosecutors, investigators and Judge Perry all know by now that these jurors did not follow the jury instructions. Gosh, even Judge Strickland said he was shocked and couldn't believe it! This collective consciousness that has been awakened due to the appalling verdict is amazing! A blessing! I feel so one with every single one of you who stands up for Caylee and for truth which = boldly stating our opinion that these jurors did NOT do their duties.
 
Peeled off the skull??

Where ever you heard that is wrong,mistaken or misleading.

That tape does not look as if it went though a decompsition of a human body. Where is the staining? did it test for apicore(sp?) or any of the decomposition acids ? Not that I heard . Why?
It was in a swamp for approximately six months following a tropical storm.
 
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