Discussions on Formal Sentencing Hearing - Jodi Arias #1

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Didn't you say either yesterday or the day before that you would not vote for the death penalty in her case?You think it should be for people who kill more than one person?You sure do change your mind a lot Miss Scarlett.Not trying to be snarky but you are certainly not what I would on a death penalty case.No way..not a chance...nope.

I have changed my mind a lot in this case. It is a hard thing to vote for death for someone. Actually I am exactly what you want because I don't have a stance that is 100% and am willing to deliberate and listen to fellow jurors and am willing to be moved if and when it comes to that.

I have said I wouldn't vote death, But then listening to the jurors today and their perspective being the ones who were actually there, I would have voted with them.

 

[LinTX]

Yep...thanks Sky. Thanks Chris. :facepalm:

What I heard was that originally they thought there may have been some emotional abuse based on what was presented in court, but that once they read all of it they felt differently. One juror said it actually influenced her toward the DP when she read the complete group of emails.

So many here seem to be happy to hear from this jury, because they "got it". But for me, knowing it was that one stealth juror that kept them from doing what they felt was justice is very hard to hear. I would have preferred to hear a more balanced vote with some having some understandable reasons for not voting DP. The reality is really upsetting...

 

[daisydomino]

IMO, second only to 12 for death, this is the best possible outcome. If they had been more evenly split or if they had somehow come back with a unanimous life verdict, I would be kinda annoyed. This way Jodi Arias will know that 11 of them believed execution would have been the proper punishment. She got away by the skin of her weird snaggly pointy teeth.

I am 100% certain that JSS will sentence her to natural life.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

AZL or Boytownmom or any legal brain


Since the one question came to the judge last night, that they were hung...did prosecution and defense know this last night - so that Jodi and the Alexander family were aware of this last night?

Does anyone know?

 

[Love Never Fails]

I don't understand that part.
Could JSS have legally asked to speak to the jurors?
If she found out one was not deliberating - could she had then removed that person?

JSS was told. Foreman said he wrote her note. She ignored him.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

What's a poor judge to do? It's not her fault you know. It's not the judges fault a juror refused to deliberate or that same juror said DP is like revenge. It's not the judges fault at all. It's not the judges fault that she didn't take 11 jurors word seriously on day 2 when they voiced concerned. It's just not her fault. Eye roll.

However that one juror also sent a note to the judge and no one read it. So who knows what she said? She could have said that she was willing to deliberate and lied to the judge.

 

[sammie]

Fox10 is going to play some of the highlights soon.

I can't bear to watch now, knowing the outcome. It makes me sick. Im just going to wait for the day JSS can finally sentence the monster and she's put away for life.

 

[Queen Bee]

Yeah, but Jodi can't con her. Hope the queen bee gets her comeuppance when she gets to Perryville. Maybe we can hope she'll be there for Memorial Day in time for the Arizona heat!!! Maybe they'll forget she's in the cage and die out there. It happened once.

ahem

she's not fit to wipe my wings.....

as for the rest of your post, i so agree .....

carry on :dramaqueen:

:seeya:

 

[Love Never Fails]

IMO, second only to 12 for death, this is the best possible outcome. If they had been more evenly split or if they had somehow come back with a unanimous life verdict, I would be kinda annoyed. This way Jodi Arias will know that 11 of them believed execution would have been the proper punishment. She got away by the skin of her weird snaggly pointy teeth.

I am 100% certain that JSS will sentence her to natural life.

Daisy
Do you think Jodi is phased one bit that 11 people are haters?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

AZL or Boytownmom or any legal brain


Since the one question came to the judge last night, that they were hung...did prosecution and defense know this last night - so that Jodi and the Alexander family were aware of this last night?

Does anyone know?

No one is aware of the decisions until it is read it court.

 

[sammie]

JSS was told. Foreman said he wrote her note. She ignored him.

No she didn't. Please stop misrepresenting what she did/not do. As AZL just said, JSS' hands were tied. Not a lot she could legally do at that juncture.

 

[fifteen89]

Troy Hayden already talked to her as she was escorted back to the transport- he asked how s he was and she said disappointed in the verdict-
Then she exp lained that she understood that "some people were disappointed in the verdict" (Alexander family)
At that point She saw the cameras and covered her face with papers.

Troy talked to the lone juror???

 

[MissHaley]

I missed this tweet. Would love to know what is on his mind.

They asked what their message is to CMJA. The male juror kind of laughed and said "I don't dare".

Another lady said "I think she's a psychopath" (about ja)

 

[SuzDuJour]

Well, I'm over 30, still Liberal, and am for the DP. Still think I have no brains???

Ditto. And smart enough not to drag politics in where politics do not belong...

 

[AZlawyer]

How do you think the judge will rule?

LWOP. Anything else would be silly as we have no parole system any more anyway.

I don't understand that part.
Could JSS have legally asked to speak to the jurors?
If she found out one was not deliberating - could she had then removed that person?

Yes. She may have spoken to them--we don't know. She could remove a juror for not deliberating, but there have been SO many cases in which a single holdout juror was removed for "not deliberating" and then the verdict is overturned on appeal. It is very very very difficult to make the case that the juror is "not deliberating" vs. "stubbornly refusing to change her mind." Even saying, "Look. I've made up my mind and I'm not changing it, so don't bother trying" is not a "refusal to deliberate," although that's very likely how the other jurors would describe it. This is especially true in the penalty phase of a DP case, when the jury instructions expressly encourage jurors to make individual moral decisions based on whatever they think are grounds for leniency and not to be pressured by others into giving up their convictions.

 

[daisydomino]

No, what has me really shaken today, beyond the verdict and the split, is finding out that the stealth juror watched the Lifetime movie and nothing was done about that. I still believe she will ream Jodi out and give her LWOP. I have no reason to doubt that.

They were asked in voir dire if they had read, heard or watched any news about the trial. They all had. I have to wonder if she thought the Lifetime movie was somehow news? It's strange.

 

[Wynegyrl]

No, what has me really shaken today, beyond the verdict and the split, is finding out that the stealth juror watched the Lifetime movie and nothing was done about that. I still believe she will ream Jodi out and give her LWOP. I have no reason to doubt that.

I hope you are correct because if it was in favor of the defense I don't think it would've been allowed. I don't understand why the justice system favors the defendant. The only way I can wrap my head around it is if someone is unjustly accused.

 

[MeeBee]

I thought you might come in azlawyer and say something disappointing like that lol.

But I do take some comfort in the fact that the jury saw it the way we did. The defense's dirty tactics and presentation was seen for what it was. They saw the truth for themselves when they went through the literature for themselves without the defense spin. Really liked Demarte. Fonseca was terrible. Geffner was ok but had a terrible finish. They saw that the Travis they presented to them was not who Travis was. Did not like Jodi and found her rehearsed and hollow. I wished they'd asked them about the pedophilia and what they thought about it.

 

[Love Never Fails]

For all we know, she watched this movie when they re-ran it. Did the Judge even ask when she saw the movie?? If it was during the trial, she lied when questioned by the Judge (admonishments).

Oh crap. I just figured it out. The judge watched the Lifetime movie too!

 

[Nali87]

Sigh. I've thought about it.

Now, I would have been fine if a DP juror had watched the interviews of JA after the verdict and talked about that in deliberation to influence them to vote DP. Guess that makes me a bit of a hypocrite.. But oh well. Never said I wasn't biased.

But I still believe JSS should have spoken to the jurors and find out if one was seriously saying things like DP is revenge and other crap like that.