Discussions on Formal Sentencing Hearing - Jodi Arias #4

[Hez]

I agree. This DT hit some all time lows, but if Jennifer has ANY sense of professionalism, she would NOT be happy to see this posted.

Could it really be that MDLR isn't the one still tweeting on behald of JA now? I mean, I am astounded that NO ONE put MDLR on notice for her horrible (yes, horrible) tweets...but could she really think it would be wise to post this???

I know, I'm kinda overthinking their professionalism, aren't I? LOL

Wouldn't it be awesome if Willmott put a stop to the killer's tweeting because the tweetmonger failed to get permission from Willmott to post that quote? :happydance:

 

[steelman]

Boy, we sure aren't hearing or seeing much from MDLR right now are we ?............I wonder how she's doing........

She got really quiet and quit boasting, sometime late Thursday and into Friday. Not a peep over the weekend. I wonder why that is ?

 

[mydirtysecret]

I am really concerned with the petition re:JS. It just gives JA a reason to ask for an appeal because JA will twist it to herself and say she didn't get a fair trial.
p.s. hope auto correct on my phone isn't going to change this post. Uggg

Don't worry. CMJA is going to appeal no Matter What. With or without a petition she will appeal. Filling An appeal and having a conviction overturned because of An appeal is two entirely different things. Cmja was given a trial all defendants dream of. I cannot imagine any appeal being successful with the wide latitude cmja was given

 

[Meemaw12]

So.....BK claims she sauntered into the prison and interviewed ????? about Jodi and ????? told Beth that Jodi is already most popular and well liked....when did BK do this? Who did she talk to? A guard or a prisoner/prisoners? The warden?

She said she went last sat week before verdict, she has a friend who is medium or lower if there is a lower, it was her friend who told her. Think friend is lawyer sentenced to 6 yrs for white color crime.
This friend is not in the lumly unit.

Beth said this in the interview link I posted earlier


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[Steve44]

(Wow, Websleuths is full of all kinds of hiccups right now, duplicate posts, invalid post messages, I'll see if this one goes thru)

No...He's happy, he won. Wilmott is happy, she won. MLDR is happy, she won. Jodi is happy, no life of solitary existence for her.

I doubt if Nurmi views himself like the rest of us see him.....most people don't.

True they won the latest battle, but they didn't win in the guilt phase, which was way more important if Jodi ever wanted to see the light of day outside of a prison, and although most people don't consider it justice that she didn't get the DP, at least she doesn't get all the insane benefits that go along with it as well.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Please reference post #474, #520 and #526...................

thank you

Thanks, yes I realize they do have affairs with prisoners, but I don't think marriage would be on the cards... those who have fraternized are no longer prison officers....
they end up fired and charged with various offences IIRC.

 

[Nana46]

Christine Beswick retweeted
Juan Martinez's Tie ‏@juanstie 29m29 minutes ago

Another #Leaked photo of #JodiArias What is she holding?
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[turaj]

Whoa ... how did I miss this: that the GMA interview with the 11 DP Jurors were not aired ?

:facepalm: I was behind in my reading here, but whoa !

JMO but IF GMA did not air this interview, it sounds like the County is seriously investigating what happened with J#17 during deliberations as well as everything else about #17 ... and the County does not want any more info released publicly by the 11 DP Jurors while their investigation is pending ... don't want to give #17 and the DT any more "ammo" IMO ...

Oh, I hope so ... the 11 DP Jurors and 2 DP Alternates deserve the truth !

:moo:

I do think something happened that they are not airing it....I however am thinking the issue may not be so much with the investigation (it is no doubt some reason there) but also they go too far condemning juror 17.....juror 17 could have recourse against this whole messed up process. Her name is being completely trashed...her home surrounded and who knows what else? Sorry but this has really gone too far...unless there is a smoking "bomb" out there it seems a juror was seated that should not have been and they are probably going to not blame her as much as the prosecution team. Only those clearly reviewing the voir dire are in a position to make these judgments. I have seen this so many times going after someone only to have that person have legal recourse because it went too far. I now this view is not shared with many here but to me it makes sense.

 

[Tesstruhart]

So.....BK claims she sauntered into the prison and interviewed ????? about Jodi and ????? told Beth that Jodi is already most popular and well liked....when did BK do this? Who did she talk to? A guard or a prisoner/prisoners? The warden?

As far as I'm concerned, she could be considered a rock star. However, after all the glitter falls off, what remains is a manipulative, cunning, nasty liar. She has the rest of her life to try and hold the glitter on, just won't happen. If a guard falls for her and impregnates her, woe to him. He will lose his job and if he is married, maybe his family. I believe they will have a staff meeting to inform guards what they are up against with her. I actually think it would be fitting to have her only deal with female guards.

 

[Wizzy]

I tried and tried not to think of all this over the weekend, it sure didn't work. LOL

Good Morning,

I am wondering, will we ever be able to see the note the 11 jurors sent to the Judge ( the 11 did read it to juror #17 before they sent it).
I am wondering, will we ever be able to see the note that juror#17 sent the Judge in response ( in which she didn't let the other 11 know what she said in it).
Is this what that nearly hour long meeting was the day before the hung verdict came down, the 2nd time.

All this secrecy is really annoying, and I sure hope that Arizona really looks at every single bit of this penalty phase and fully investigate everyone.

I am right with you.
I don't think we will ever see either notes to the Judge.

This is JMOO, I have thought a lot about this and talked with some other people with opinions. JMoo, The note the 11 jurors sent her must have been powerful and I'm sure told of their frustrations. I believe, again jmoo, Juror 17's note was also powerful. Listening to the video (below) is troubling for me because the lady juror is saying she had to apologize several times. JMOO Juror 17 felt threatened or intimidated and probably stated so in her note. Depending on what was said in the notes, more than one juror might have been released had JSS talked to each individually. Having to apologize more than once isn't something that should have happened. I understand they wanted to come to a unanimous decision and it was frustrating. The lady juror said she was pretty much for death upon going into deliberation. #17 was for life going into deliberation. When you are on a jury, what ever your decision should be respected. I don't know if #17 was stealth, or had an agenda, but that is only a problem after the fact. One thing also that is my opinion, asking #17 to tell them what situation would you give death, why would you answer. #17 didn't believe it applied in this trial, why would she have to explain to that extent. I'm not taking up for #17, just looking at both sides. I wasn't there but it is my opinion, from the interview and how JSS said they had a issue that would take more than an hour the deliberations went from bad to worse. JMOO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9MUb3-IwCE

 

[RR0004]

Whoa ... how did I miss this: that the GMA interview with the 11 DP Jurors were not aired ?

:facepalm: I was behind in my reading here, but whoa !

JMO but IF GMA did not air this interview, it sounds like the County is seriously investigating what happened with J#17 during deliberations as well as everything else about #17 ... and the County does not want any more info released publicly by the 11 DP Jurors while their investigation is pending ... don't want to give #17 and the DT any more "ammo" IMO ...

Oh, I hope so ... the 11 DP Jurors and 2 DP Alternates deserve the truth !

:moo:

I didn't even know that GMA was on Sundays.

 

[Meemaw12]

This is the link to the interview with Beth k

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/jordan...-arias?AID=CJSource&utm_source=CJ&PID=4003003


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[SweetT]

I agree that JA will find her way. I live in SC where Susan Smith became infamous. She managed to have sex with two male guards from what I've read. How do you get close, much less sleep with someone knowing she murdered her own children?! It's beyond me. But if that can happen, JA shouldn't have a problem getting what she wants w/i those prison walls.

I know right? Heck I had trouble imagining anyone wanting to have sex with Susan before she ever killed her kids.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Boy, we sure aren't hearing or seeing much from MDLR right now are we ?............I wonder how she's doing........

She got really quiet and quit boasting, sometime late Thursday and into Friday. Not a peep over the weekend. I wonder why that is ?

Hopefully she is getting some flak re her unprofessional Twitter posts ( which she has removed, but we all know they are never really gone...)
like this gem " What kind of *advertiser censored* would ask that question? Oh yeah, you".. to someone who had asked her- "When cougarlicious goes to court is she under some illusion she is going lap-dancing?"

 

[turaj]

I am right with you.
I don't think we will ever see either notes to the Judge.

This is JMOO, I have thought a lot about this and talked with some other people with opinions. JMoo, The note the 11 jurors sent her must have been powerful and I'm sure told of their frustrations. I believe, again jmoo, Juror 17's note was also powerful. Listening to the video (below) is troubling for me because the lady juror is saying she had to apologize several times. JMOO Juror 17 felt threatened or intimidated and probably stated so in her note. Depending on what was said in the notes, more than one juror might have been released had JSS talked to each individually. Having to apologize more than once isn't something that should have happened. I understand they wanted to come to a unanimous decision and it was frustrating. The lady juror said she was pretty much for death upon going into deliberation. #17 was for life going into deliberation. When you are on a jury, what ever your decision should be respected. I don't know if #17 was stealth, or had an agenda, but that is only a problem after the fact. One thing also that is my opinion, asking #17 to tell them what situation would you give death, why would you answer. #17 didn't believe it applied in this trial, why would she have to explain to that extent. I'm not taking up for #17, just looking at both sides. I wasn't there but it is my opinion, from the interview and how JSS said they had a issue that would take more than an hour the deliberations went from bad to worse. JMOO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9MUb3-IwCE

I too noted that apology comment...I mean she seemed to imply things got very bad and we will not really know how bad...if that happened fairly early on and intimidation was occuring that could have been the subject of a note to JSS....I just don't think we know enough to really say yet...of course that is just how I feel...I try to imagine a juror in a room where everyone else thinks differently at a point and it is just me...wow that is pressure...and the comment that some wanted off the jury if it continued....that is pretty strong...wow want to know what happened in there?

 

[Steve44]

Speaking of that, how is it that the twitter account that is supposed to be the words of CMJA is allowed to perpetuate the "fact" that TA was a pedophile and abuser? I understand that people are untouchable in a court of law regarding false allegations, but how is it okay to post them on the internet as though they are fact? And we know it's not CMJA actually posting them. I think it was pretty much proven in court that neither of those allegations are a fact at all. So how is it okay for CMJA and her supporters on both the website and the twitter to keep perpetuating this as if it is fact?

Can that account not get reported and shut down by Twitter for harassment, libel, something?

:waitasec:

MOO

Well, first I'm not sure Twitter can be considered 'broadcasting' or 'publishing'; it's communicating, but that may not be the same thing. Second, I think you have to show financial harm for a libel or defamation suit. I'm not a lawyer, so this is just my layman's pov. I think name calling goes on all the time on the internet, and I don't think there's a potential lawsuit behind every one. It's galling and ridiculous that they can get away with it, but then that's the very reasons they are doing it. In the end it's petty and foolish and no one with half a brain believes any of it anyway.

 

[ZsaZsa]

For those who would like to see the latest smuggled JA photo take a look at Juan's Tie twitter page...
It really shouldn't be too difficult for Sheriff Arpaio to find out who was with her, it looks like it is from the courthouse..

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Boy, we sure aren't hearing or seeing much from MDLR right now are we ?............I wonder how she's doing........

She got really quiet and quit boasting, sometime late Thursday and into Friday. Not a peep over the weekend. I wonder why that is ?

I can't access twitter (LOL, I'm at work, busted!)....was the tweet about Jennifer referring to Juan as a liar the very last Jodi tweet?

I really hope someone, through investigation, finds out whether MDLR is still the tweeter-on-behalf of JAA

My hope???? Even though MDLR now has a contract through 2018, maybe she won't be assigned any new cases. I can dream

 

[Sweet Fox]

:seeya:

Just thought of something going back to your original post and question regarding #17:

WHY wasn't #17 dismissed for "cause" -- which there is no number limit on strikes/challenges of a juror for "cause."

There is NO way Juan would have wanted this juror -- a juror with a DV background [per #17], ex-husband with a criminal record ...

So my question is:

Does the JUDGE have to grant or deny the challenge for "cause" ? And if so, that may well be the answer WHY this juror was not dismissed !

Question: Is it possible that the judge said no, it was not enough to dismiss the juror for cause ?

And another question: Did JM ask to have this juror removed for "cause"?

JMO and MOO !


ETA: I know the Statute here in Louisiana, and the judge has to grant or deny the challenge for cause. It is not a "given " if there is a potential conflict with the juror.

I want the answers to that too. I’m not an attorney but based on what I found, I think challenges for cause are granted or denied by the judge.

CHALLENGE FOR CAUSE
a request that a prospective juror be dismissed because there is a specific and forceful reason to believe the person cannot be fair, unbiased or capable of serving as a juror. Causes include acquaintanceship with either of the parties, one of the attorneys or a witness, the potential juror's expression during voir dire (questioning of the prospective jurors) of inability to be unbiased due to prior experience in a similar case (having been convicted of drunk driving, being a battered wife, etc.), any obvious prejudice, or inability to serve (such as being mentally disturbed). The judge determines if the person shall be dismissed. Challenges and dismissal for cause differ from peremptory challenges, which each side may use to dismiss potential jurors without stating any reason.

http://dictionary.law.com/default.aspx?selected=169

CODE OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE AZ

Art. 35.16. REASONS FOR CHALLENGE FOR CAUSE. (a) A challenge for cause is an objection made to a particular juror, alleging some fact which renders the juror incapable or unfit to serve on the jury. A challenge for cause may be made by either the state or the defense ......

Art. 35.21. JUDGE TO DECIDE QUALIFICATIONS. The court is the judge, after proper examination, of the qualifications of a juror, and shall decide all challenges without delay and without argument thereupon.

 

[ShadyLady]

I too noted that apology comment...I mean she seemed to imply things got very bad and we will not really know how bad...if that happened fairly early on and intimidation was occuring that could have been the subject of a note to JSS....I just don't think we know enough to really say yet...of course that is just how I feel...I try to imagine a juror in a room where everyone else thinks differently at a point and it is just me...wow that is pressure...and the comment that some wanted off the jury if it continued....that is pretty strong...wow want to know what happened in there?

Well...if someone told me that if I voted of DP is was due to a personal revenge I wanted to take, that would get me mad. So goes both ways.