Does Misty really not know what happened? *POLL ADDED*

[Dragonfly1971]

I'm not trying to disagree with anyone and do not excuse RC at all for his actions, but I've felt that Misty was also in a way mentally abusing him and being manipulative with mind games. She used the fake pregnancy test to get his response for some reason, she called from WBG's, she called from the other alledged dope dealers needing rescue, she told him that Amber was a danger to the baby, caused drama with Amber's family possibly resulting in never seeing the baby, Amber's mom getting charges filed on her, got his children to love her, told him varying stories about that night, possibly was involved in the missing gun found in the ditch, and lost his child while babysitting.

She is definitely messed up!! They are all dysfunctional and have no business with children. Ron is very immature and his desire for young girls is disturbing. He has zero regard for the law or the rights of others, is very abusive, and certainly bounced back from losing his daughter enough to sit in a car and deal/use drugs like we saw on the videos from the drug sting. He put a headless rat in Tommy's mailbox. Married Misty. If he did not directly kill his daughter, he is neck-deep in knowledge of who did and somehow the answer brings HIM consequences he doesn't want to face.

 

[Baznme]

BTW... you have to be in a pretty deep state of sleep or be passed out to sleep through someone abducting a child from 4 feet away. I have considered that Haleigh was never put to bed in that particular bedroom that night. Maybe (hypothetical) when Misty seperated the kids for arguing over movies, Haleigh got hit then put in her room down the hall, or left on the couch and Jr was placed in the master bedroom to watch his movie. Junior didn't see the violence or he would have likely told by now. I never understood why Misty said she washed Haleigh's blanket at 10 pm because it smelled of urine if she put her to bed at 8 pm ?? Something very wrong with that story along with the pink nightshirt Misty said Haleigh went to bed wearing being found in the laundry. Maybe Misty did something to her between 8 and 10pm and was washing away the evidence?

BBM - and underlined (I heard a ding in my head when I read that). Thus = the bouncing couch? Did Haleigh get a beating or smothered while on the couch?

 

[Dragonfly1971]

BBM - and underlined (I heard a ding in my head when I read that). Thus = the bouncing couch? Did Haleigh get a beating or smothered while on the couch?

OR did someone (Joe, ToC, local pedophile, whomever) come in the side door of the MH (the front door can be seen from the trailer next door) to keep from being seen by neighbors, go into the MH and accidentally wake Haleigh on the couch, and struggle with her in an attempt to quiet her so she wouldn't wake up anyone else in the MH? She would likely have panicked and struggled with the person if he covered her mouth, and she may have been killed right then and there on the couch. There are so many ways it could have happened. In one post, I theorize that Joe (or whomever) crept in and was unaware that Haleigh's mattress was on the floor right in front of the master bedroom door. Ron said he kept the gun in the Master Bdrm. Intruder sneaking in for the gun could have tripped over it, landing on her, waking her up and then a struggle to quiet her ends in her death. Maybe Misty DID sleep through it, in her hard sleep coming off the drugs. Maybe Junior didn't wake up enough to realize what was happening but later recalls a man in black taking Haleigh. The person could have killed her with bare hands right there on the floor then took her out the back door. Who knows at this point. Hope LE knows all the answers and builds what they need to convict all the guilty in this hideous crime.

 

[pufnstuf]

She knows. She knows everything. But she's protecting Ronald.

 

[Dragonfly1971]

I have looked at it from that perspective as well, and think there are multiple reasons she may be protecting Ronald. I feel he may not have been the actual murderer of Haleigh, but told Misty he knows who it is, and that telling LE will open some other can of worms that implicated Ron in alot of criminal activity he doesn't want to pay the consequences for. Misty definitely knows more then she is telling, whether she hurt Haleigh or not IMO.

 

[lonetraveler]

I'm not trying to disagree with anyone and do not excuse RC at all for his actions, but I've felt that Misty was also in a way mentally abusing him and being manipulative with mind games. She used the fake pregnancy test to get his response for some reason, she called from WBG's, she called from the other alledged dope dealers needing rescue, she told him that Amber was a danger to the baby, caused drama with Amber's family possibly resulting in never seeing the baby, Amber's mom getting charges filed on her, got his children to love her, told him varying stories about that night, possibly was involved in the missing gun found in the ditch, and lost his child while babysitting.

A lot of immature, spoiled children do that. Misty was acting like a child because she is one.

 

[lonetraveler]

I have never believed Misty's multiple stories, Ron's BS, GGMS BS or TN BS. Even if I had not read or seen any of the above people I would only have to watch the jail videos between Misty and her father Hank Sr. to know that she is a total liar about what she knows about Haleigh. I will venture that Hank Sr. probably knows his daughter, his little babygirl better than anyone on this planet. There are probably more incidents than you can count of times he has had to listen to her lying about something she was involved in. Hank Sr. can probably tell exactly when Misty is lying, because he has witnessed it so many times. Everytime he tells Misty to tell the truth, Misty immediately starts the lying and Hank Sr. rolls his eyes heavenward and sighs and clenches his teeth. He knows without a doubt that she is lying and is getting more and more fed up with it. Misty and Tommy being in jail and being suspected in the disappearance of a little child is killing him. I wish LE would put Misty and Hank Sr. in a room together with no recorder and let him get the truth out of her. I think he could do it.

 

[SoSueMe]

Haleigh Cummings Murder Investigation Complicated by Misty's Mirror Effects
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5432680/haleigh_cummings_murder_investigation.html?cat=8


Misty Mirrored Cell Block Conversations Concerning Joe Overstreet

I do wonder if she is doing what is being said in the article...

I think this is a real s---t---r---e---t---c---h. We would have seen more of this by now, surely.

 

[dodie20]

I'm not trying to disagree with anyone and do not excuse RC at all for his actions, but I've felt that Misty was also in a way mentally abusing him and being manipulative with mind games. She used the fake pregnancy test to get his response for some reason, she called from WBG's, she called from the other alledged dope dealers needing rescue, she told him that Amber was a danger to the baby, caused drama with Amber's family possibly resulting in never seeing the baby, Amber's mom getting charges filed on her, got his children to love her, told him varying stories about that night, possibly was involved in the missing gun found in the ditch, and lost his child while babysitting.

well, if Ron had been dating/living with adult women, instead of minors, he wouldn't have had to deal with such immature, teenaged behavior. He's got noone to blame for that except himself, & that's the last thing I'd feel sorry for him for.

 

[dodie20]

I think this is a real s---t---r---e---t---c---h. We would have seen more of this by now, surely.

although I think there might be some truth to Misty mirroring, the writer could've backed tracked a little, & found the origins to the black guy story. Misty didn't just make that up on the spot, & I never believed that story had a thing to do with Jr.'s account.

 

[dodie20]

I have never believed Misty's multiple stories, Ron's BS, GGMS BS or TN BS. Even if I had not read or seen any of the above people I would only have to watch the jail videos between Misty and her father Hank Sr. to know that she is a total liar about what she knows about Haleigh. I will venture that Hank Sr. probably knows his daughter, his little babygirl better than anyone on this planet. There are probably more incidents than you can count of times he has had to listen to her lying about something she was involved in. Hank Sr. can probably tell exactly when Misty is lying, because he has witnessed it so many times. Everytime he tells Misty to tell the truth, Misty immediately starts the lying and Hank Sr. rolls his eyes heavenward and sighs and clenches his teeth. He knows without a doubt that she is lying and is getting more and more fed up with it. Misty and Tommy being in jail and being suspected in the disappearance of a little child is killing him. I wish LE would put Misty and Hank Sr. in a room together with no recorder and let him get the truth out of her. I think he could do it.

If Hank really wanted to get the truth out of Misty, he & Lisa had plenty of time, before these arrests. They are just like everybody else. scared of the truth.

 

[SoSueMe]

although I think there might be some truth to Misty mirroring, the writer could've backed tracked a little, & found the origins to the black guy story. Misty didn't just make that up on the spot, & I never believed that story had a thing to do with Jr.'s account.

Now that was a very strange story. Of course we only have what Misty said Ron "told" her. She doesn't say that she overheard the story, if I recall correctly.

What would be the purpose behind that story? I think maybe it was thrown out there as a red herring (either by Misty or Ron to Misty or both).

 

[dodie20]

well, if Ron had been dating/living with adult women, instead of minors, he wouldn't have had to deal with such immature, teenaged behavior. He's got noone to blame for that except himself, & that's the last thing I'd feel sorry for him for.

& after all of the horrible reports that have come out about Ron, it's real hard for me to see him as manipulated or abused. That's a classic sign of an abuser-to gain sympathy by blaming the victim. & the sad thing is...is that it often works, because it then turns into a he said she said. This is where, IMO, TN has done the most damage. She has muddied the facts of this case, with never ending, glowing reports of what a great father, son, boyfriend, etc...Ron is. & a lot of people believed her. I've even bought into some of it. Now, I can't say that I'd blame a mom for doing that, in certain situations, but it does make me wonder why she felt the need, (from the git go), to come out playing defense.

 

[Coppercat]

suspicious, I believe I heard that Ron was pulling into the parking area, in front of the house, when she called him. He (Ron) saw her there and there was some comment about not answering the phone b/c Misty was right there in front of him

Does anyone know why Ron yelled at Misty stating, you let me kid get stole *****..!! why would he say something like that? ya know? thx

 

[lil momma]

Now that was a very strange story. Of course we only have what Misty said Ron "told" her. She doesn't say that she overheard the story, if I recall correctly.

What would be the purpose behind that story? I think maybe it was thrown out there as a red herring (either by Misty or Ron to Misty or both).

ITA and not only was it a strange story, but the way GGM worded it, in the order that she did, strange to say the least. JMO

 

[1Chump]

Does anyone know why Ron yelled at Misty stating, you let me kid get stole *****..!! why would he say something like that? ya know? thx

IMO, to point LE away from them.

Think about it. You just find out that your child is missing from her bed in the middle of the night. There is no obvious signs of a break-in, just an open door. Misty was exhausted. Yet Ron went right to the worst case scenario and would never consider any possibility of Haleigh going outside in the dark by herself. Ron and TN said over and over that Haleigh was too afraid of the dark to ever go outside.

But anyone who has ever been around kids know that you can NEVER say NEVER. Kids will do something that you NEVER thought they would if they have a reason.

Not once did Ron or TN consider the possibility that maybe, just maybe, Haleigh tried to wake up Misty and couldn't. Maybe Haleigh thought Misty needed help and tried to go to Tommy's house, a place she walked to with Misty that was close, to get help. They would NOT consider her going outside for any reason.

Ron and TN NEVER had any hope that Haleigh was anywhere near that home. Hope is usually the last thing to go, not the first.

 

[seeking truth]

IMO, to point LE away from them.

Think about it. You just find out that your child is missing from her bed in the middle of the night. There is no obvious signs of a break-in, just an open door. Misty was exhausted. Yet Ron went right to the worst case scenario and would never consider any possibility of Haleigh going outside in the dark by herself. Ron and TN said over and over that Haleigh was too afraid of the dark to ever go outside.

But anyone who has ever been around kids know that you can NEVER say NEVER. Kids will do something that you NEVER thought they would if they have a reason.

Not once did Ron or TN consider the possibility that maybe, just maybe, Haleigh tried to wake up Misty and couldn't. Maybe Haleigh thought Misty needed help and tried to go to Tommy's house, a place she walked to with Misty that was close, to get help. They would NOT consider her going outside for any reason.

Ron and TN NEVER had any hope that Haleigh was anywhere near that home. Hope is usually the last thing to go, not the first.

BBM

Now WHY would any concerned parent or grandparent CLOSE avenues for a search for their loved one?

Could it be that HaLeigh's body was, and still is, buried or hidden very close to the home she disappeared from?

 

[Donjeta]

Haleigh Cummings Murder Investigation Complicated by Misty's Mirror Effects
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5432680/haleigh_cummings_murder_investigation.html?cat=8


Misty Mirrored Cell Block Conversations Concerning Joe Overstreet

I do wonder if she is doing what is being said in the article...

I've wondered that myself because she's seemed to take orders from the start but IMO the author's examples are rather weak. It is far fetched to me to blame Junior's black man story for Misty saying they need to look at RC and his drug dealing, and how do we know that Misty didn't feed this story to Jr. to begin with?

Misty's Mirror Reaction to Evidence that Ron's Calls to Her Weren't Answered

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office determined early in the Haleigh Cummings murder investigation that Ronald Cummings placed unanswered calls to Misty the night of Haleigh's disappearance. Misty's failure to answer Ronald's calls suggests the possibility that she wasn't at home to receive them. In reacting to this police evidence, it appears Misty may have mentally reversed her role with Ron to make herself the caller, then mirrored the evidence, saying she couldn't reach Ron that night.

In the jailhouse conversation with her father, Misty says of the night Haleigh disappeared, "When I called him that night, how come he didn't answer the phone? I called and called and he didn't answer the phone. And then as soon as I open the door he's there."

This one seems a bit made up to me as well. It was part of the story from the beginning that Misty tried to call Ron as she discovered Haleigh missing but he didn't answer her. Ronald said he didn't because he was pulling up in the driveway, so it's not made up by Misty unless she managed to somehow convince him too. There is some inconsistency about when she allegedly called and how long it took RC to get home after that (IMO) but the phone records will have shown if she did this or not. (Well, shown if someone used Misty's phone to do so anyway.)

In a taped jailhouse conversation with her father, Misty denies knowing whether Overstreet played a role in Haleigh Cummings' disappearance. She attributes her previous statements about Overstreet's role to the effects of conversations heard in her cell block, which she described as people putting things in her head. Misty said of the Overstreet accusation, "...in my mind it's just like, you know, people keep saying this person, this person, so you know in your mind you're like well hey that's that person so you actually start to believe it, like the Joe thing. You just, I want to believe that because that's what I keep hearing and it just like makes like sense this is what happened you know, but I don't know for 100 percent that that was him. I don't know."

And this... well, if other people saying Joe might have done it was really enough to make her believe that Joe put a knife to her throat and threatened her life if she told anybody what he did I think it would make her a bit lacking in the reality testing department and I would like to give her a psychiatric evaluation to rule out psychotic delusions and paranoia.

 

[Emeralgem]

I've wondered that myself because she's seemed to take orders from the start but IMO the author's examples are rather weak. It is far fetched to me to blame Junior's black man story for Misty saying they need to look at RC and his drug dealing, and how do we know that Misty didn't feed this story to Jr. to begin with?


This one seems a bit made up to me as well. It was part of the story from the beginning that Misty tried to call Ron as she discovered Haleigh missing but he didn't answer her. Ronald said he didn't because he was pulling up in the driveway, so it's not made up by Misty unless she managed to somehow convince him too. There is some inconsistency about when she allegedly called and how long it took RC to get home after that (IMO) but the phone records will have shown if she did this or not. (Well, shown if someone used Misty's phone to do so anyway.)





And this... well, if other people saying Joe might have done it was really enough to make her believe that Joe put a knife to her throat and threatened her life if she told anybody what he did I think it would make her a bit lacking in the reality testing department and I would like to give her a psychiatric evaluation to rule out psychotic delusions and paranoia.

How would anyone she is incarcerated with have any knowledge as to what really happened? To be honest I'm somewhat confused as to whether she was referring to people in her cell block telling her things that happened or she was hearing voices in her head...JMO

 

[SoSueMe]

How would anyone she is incarcerated with have any knowledge as to what really happened? To be honest I'm somewhat confused as to whether she was referring to people in her cell block telling her things that happened or she was hearing voices in her head...JMO

Or the voices of LE (judging on Tommy's take of things and what Tommy said LE didn't want to hear)?