Dr. Teresa Sievers - Alternate Motives and Theories (NOT involving MS)

[Eileen730]

I think we should keep in mind that JR's "confession" to his gf might not have been confession of direct involvement in the murder, but rather confession of having provided material assistance for and hiding evidence of the murder. Perhaps JR was offered $10,000 to drive CWW to Florida, to go into Walmart so CWW wouldn't be on video in Florida (speculating here that CWW isn't on the video) and to get rid of whatever CWW asked him to get rid of. Perhaps he was never even in the house.

If I remember correctly didn't someone hear an argument?

 

[KateB]

Also if it wasn't for JR's girlfriend, LE most likely would have been in Missouri for only 3 days as planned. She didn't have to "give up" where the evidence was, or for that matter even mention it at all. So I applaud her for that. In the end, she did the right thing, and that's all that matters.

*I was going to us her initials, but they are the same as Teresa's.

About your last part, I've thought about using TaS but TAS is still Dr. Sievers. WTS for Witness TS might work, and JR's GF seems to be working well, even if it is long.

 

[Webjunkie]

Good points, here are a couple of thoughts:
1) If MS is not involved in the murder then it is likely that he also was kept in the dark about any wrongdoing involving the practice. MS could see that a friendship was developing between CWW and a member of the staff, but thought nothing of it since he was "in love and a newlywed" or because he knew CWW was a perpetual "player". I definitely believe there will be another FL business associate and/or competitor arrest regardless of whether MS is involved.
2) I think it's a strong possibility that while hanging out with CWW and/or JR at a bachelor party, etc. MS grumbled about his life with TS without fully realizing how dumb JR was and that he would want to prove what a "big man" he was by taking action. Kind of like a lot of those stupidly popular comedies about young guys going on crime sprees. JR strikes me as exactly that kind of guy.

The one thing that continues to give me pause regarding MS is the payoff to JR. We have been told they kept their cash receipts in a safe instead of in a bank. Somehow I have a difficult time believing that TS would run her practice like that. Perhaps MS deposited checks, but "hid" the cash from TS and put it in the safe as his own secret stash. If there was sufficient cash in a safe to pay JR then CWW would have had to either hack the combination or been told the combination by MS. That's why I'm still straddling the fence. :moo:

Does anyone know if you can get into a safe with a hammer? A friend told me a story yesterday about some neighborhood kids that broke into her father-in-laws house after he passed away, and used a hammer to break off the hinges of his safe. Fortunately, the contents had already been removed by family. Then they broke into her house while everyone was at the father-in-laws up the street and rooted through her liquor and stole some nutty bars. They were still on the property (outside) when she returned and they acted like they were looking for a lost dog. 4 20-something's in a Gator rummaging the neighborhood. I just didn't know safes had exterior hinges. I don't have one to compare by. Could that be why they brought the hammer?

 

[FelicityLemon]

Maybe Sheriff Scott was referring to the unexpected death of TS' family member that occurred at that time. I think it happened while they were visiting her sister. They attended the funeral during that time, then she came home.

The tragic circumstances or wording to that effect has been discussed a lot but I do not remember what thread or have a link. Maybe someone else remembers? I can't help but think that the death was the tragic circumstances. The wedding everyone attended {everyone but TS} is not a tragedy.

 

[kammiemc]

I'm going to blame this on bad reporting, can anyone make sense of this? If JR confessed earlier that week and the GF didn't tell LE until they moved in for an arrest, how did she do "the right thing"? Why does the last sentence say the family cannot comment yet but the report quotes a family member commenting?

"When we visited the home, Rodgers' girlfriend’s family explained how they learned about the horrific murder. They say he confessed to the killings earlier this week, and even pointed her to where he hid the evidence.

"Evidently quite a bit of evidence. He brought it all here and threw it away and told Taylor where it was. I think they found the bloody jumpsuit he wore," said Cathy Gaston, a family member.
"I just can't believe it. That my niece was with a man that could do something like this. Her and her children were in that much danger," said Cathy Gaston, a family member.

His girlfriend then told investigators when they moved in for an arrest.

Teresa Sievers' sister, Annie, thanked Rodgers' girlfriend for her role in the investigation, saying she hopes the woman "will know how grateful we all are that she did the right thing."

We reached out to Rodgers' girlfriend. Her family tell us they cannot comment yet."

I guess there is a scale of right to wrong. The really right thing would be to alert LE of what JR told her without waiting until they moved in. And on the opposite end of the scale, the really wrong thing would be to never say anything at all. I'm thinking she landed somewhere in the middle!


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[creepingskills]

Does anyone know if you can get into a safe with a hammer? A friend told me a story yesterday about some neighborhood kids that broke into her father-in-laws house after he passed away, and used a hammer to break off the hinges of his safe. Fortunately, the contents had already been removed by family. Then they broke into her house while everyone was at the father-in-laws up the street and rooted through her liquor and stole some nutty bars. They were still on the property (outside) when she returned and they acted like they were looking for a lost dog. 4 20-something's in a Gator rummaging the neighborhood. I just didn't know safes had exterior hinges. I don't have one to compare by. Could that be why they brought the hammer?

Skinner said MS had 'gun safes' maybe in addition to other regular safes. Google image returns a wide variety of gun safe styles, most examples are the size of a small closet. If I were hiding money, a gun safe looks pretty hard to break into. JMO.

 

[Matlacha]

Does anyone know if you can get into a safe with a hammer? . . .

Depends entirely on the safe. They range from piggy banks to tanks. Many are vulnerable, but good ones would be difficult to open without specialist tools like high intensity torches. I believe the following video shows some that have been forced open, along with others that would be very hard to breech. It's something that should be viewed by anyone who wants to buy a safe (I have no financial interest in C. E. Safes or the maker of the video):

[video=youtube;GHAyRO566sU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL0Wur-_GRv_XAO3zKQlt6xdFch9au30nX&t=9&v=GHAyRO566sU[/video]

 

[wondering25]

If the police noticed the safes were opened then i could understand that they would ask what was taken. According to skinner nothing was taken. Assuming the safes were not open they would have MS open them maybe, and check them,.. but I dont think thieves are so neat that they would smash open a safe and you wouldnt know it. Yes, they could have had the combos.. but that whole line of stealing from the safes just doesnt make sense to me. IMO, they went there to murder..not steal.

Anything i write is just my opinion.

 

[SeesSeas]

If Mark Sievers had no involvement in the murder of his wife, I believe that Teresa Sievers would want her husband (and father of their children) to be treated fair and square by the justice system, law enforcement, media, and the public.

If Mark Sievers is innocent, circumstances of him being falsely accused are detrimental to him and his family.

Some interesting web links describe much of what Mark Sievers might be experiencing if he is innocent of murder:

http://www.vcvs.org/about-vcvs/letter-to-survivors.html
Violent Crime Victim Services
The grief and heartache ordinarily associated with the death of a loved one are compounded when the loved one is lost through violence. You will learn that the crime is only the first in a seemingly endless series of victimizations. . .

At times you may feel the urge to cry out, "Hey, what about me?" At other times you may ask yourself, "Doesn't anybody care?"
You feel victimized by public insensitivity, and you are frequently hurt by the apathy of others. You soon learn that those who have not suffered the trauma of victimization simply cannot understand. . .

When a murder occurs within a family, one might expect it would unite the family more closely. Such is not the case for many times, murder separates a family both physically and emotionally. We each grieve and cope in our own way. Many times it is so difficult for family members to cope with their own grief that they simply do not have the ability to support other members of the family.

https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/victim_assistance/coping
FBI Victim Assistance - Coping with Crime Victimization
Getting back to normal can be a difficult process after a personal experience of this kind, especially for victims of violent crime and families of murder victims.

 

[creepingskills]

If Mark Sievers had no involvement in the murder of his wife, I believe that Teresa Sievers would want her husband (and father of their children) to be treated fair and square by the justice system, law enforcement, media, and the public.

If Mark Sievers is innocent, circumstances of him being falsely accused are detrimental to him and his family.

Some interesting web links describe much of what Mark Sievers might be experiencing if he is innocent of murder:

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When a murder occurs within a family, one might expect it would unite the family more closely. Such is not the case for many times, murder separates a family both physically and emotionally. We each grieve and cope in our own way. Many times it is so difficult for family members to cope with their own grief that they simply do not have the ability to support other members of the family.[/SIZE]

Interesting perspective! With regard to 'separating a family both physically and emotionally', I think it speaks volumes how publicly supportive TS's side of the family was.

Until the arrests, AL made public statements that TS would want her to support MS, to be there for him and the girls as much as she could, how much MS loved TS, etc. Who knows what was going on behind closed doors, but MS and TS's family seemed united until Aug. 27. Of course, MS may be innocent and his actions after the arrest of CWW & JR (not contact with TS family) were the result of coping, and/or not being able to emotionally support or accept support from TS's family. Skinner did say he wasn't sure what was going on with MS, and he seemed to withdraw after the arrests so maybe its not specific to TS's family. On the other hand, MS did call Skinner after he posted here... If I were AL, I'd wonder why he didn't call after she told MSM of not hearing from MS since before the arrests. Maybe he did. If he didn't, I can't help but wonder why.

 

[Stopwatch]

If Mark Sievers had no involvement in the murder of his wife, I believe that Teresa Sievers would want her husband (and father of their children) to be treated fair and square by the justice system, law enforcement, media, and the public.

If Mark Sievers is innocent, circumstances of him being falsely accused are detrimental to him and his family.

Some interesting web links describe much of what Mark Sievers might be experiencing if he is innocent of murder:

http://www.vcvs.org/about-vcvs/letter-to-survivors.html
Violent Crime Victim Services
The grief and heartache ordinarily associated with the death of a loved one are compounded when the loved one is lost through violence. You will learn that the crime is only the first in a seemingly endless series of victimizations. . .

At times you may feel the urge to cry out, "Hey, what about me?" At other times you may ask yourself, "Doesn't anybody care?"
You feel victimized by public insensitivity, and you are frequently hurt by the apathy of others. You soon learn that those who have not suffered the trauma of victimization simply cannot understand. . .

When a murder occurs within a family, one might expect it would unite the family more closely. Such is not the case for many times, murder separates a family both physically and emotionally. We each grieve and cope in our own way. Many times it is so difficult for family members to cope with their own grief that they simply do not have the ability to support other members of the family.

https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/victim_assistance/coping
FBI Victim Assistance - Coping with Crime Victimization
Getting back to normal can be a difficult process after a personal experience of this kind, especially for victims of violent crime and families of murder victims.

If MS is an innocent victim, so likely is TS' sister and the rest of her family.

"Teresa's sister said she hasn't heard from Mark since the arrests..."

http://www.scrippsmedia.com/fox4now/news/Neighbors-react-to-arrests-in-Sievers-murder-323180811.html

I totally understand that people "grieve differently", but I find it disappointing (and suspicious) that he didn't *immediately* reach out to her family. Victim or not, that behavior is not a noble way to honor your wife. Until he is convicted, I have to accept that it is possible he is only guilty of not manning up in difficult circumstances.

I believe the media is treating him pretty fairly from what I have seen (not saying they are pleasant - this is the U.S. where freedom of speech pushes the borders of civility). They have tried to contact him and interview him and he has refused. It seems reasonable to me to ask him if he knew CWW and JR, given the circumstances.

He is entitled to the presumption of innocence in a court of law, but if the same standard were applied to the media, we wouldn't be able to discuss anything until a person was convicted. And because our justice system errs on the side of avoiding conviction of an innocent person, we all know that guilty people sometimes get off on technicalities, and we are still all entitled to our personal belief that a person is guilty, whether convicted or not.

I just try to apply the golden rule. If I were in the same circumstance, would I feel terrible if people thought I was a murderer when I was innocent? Yes, but only if those people close to me believed it. Would I blame people for having questions right now based on the information available? No.

Certainly, it is healthy for all of us to keep in mind at all times that we could be wrong about our suspicions regarding anyone in this case.

 

[Russian Blue]

That was early on. . .

Sherriff Scott has already said:

" detectives have spoken with him, and he IS cooperating"

[video=youtu;Rr3yhwCQaNU]http://youtu.be/Rr3yhwCQaNU[/video]
See last 20 sec or so of this video

 

[Russian Blue]

Lilibet I had the same reaction reading it, it infuriated me tbh. Just so you know you weren't alone in that!

I also see Felicitylemon point too, but agree still a poor word choice given that it was known what ended up happening.

Think I am going to read Skinner's thread again. I have read it a couple of times, and select sections but I had not really thought of Skinner as possibly a woman until the last couple of posts. I think I may read it as if it were a female friend and see what pops for me.

 

[FelicityLemon]

If Mark Sievers had no involvement in the murder of his wife, I believe that Teresa Sievers would want her husband (and father of their children) to be treated fair and square by the justice system, law enforcement, media, and the public.

If Mark Sievers is innocent, circumstances of him being falsely accused are detrimental to him and his family.

Some interesting web links describe much of what Mark Sievers might be experiencing if he is innocent of murder:

http://www.vcvs.org/about-vcvs/letter-to-survivors.html
Violent Crime Victim Services
The grief and heartache ordinarily associated with the death of a loved one are compounded when the loved one is lost through violence. You will learn that the crime is only the first in a seemingly endless series of victimizations. . .

At times you may feel the urge to cry out, "Hey, what about me?" At other times you may ask yourself, "Doesn't anybody care?"
You feel victimized by public insensitivity, and you are frequently hurt by the apathy of others. You soon learn that those who have not suffered the trauma of victimization simply cannot understand. . .

When a murder occurs within a family, one might expect it would unite the family more closely. Such is not the case for many times, murder separates a family both physically and emotionally. We each grieve and cope in our own way. Many times it is so difficult for family members to cope with their own grief that they simply do not have the ability to support other members of the family.

https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/victim_assistance/coping
FBI Victim Assistance - Coping with Crime Victimization
Getting back to normal can be a difficult process after a personal experience of this kind, especially for victims of violent crime and families of murder victims.

bbm

Yes! Thank you for posting this.

It's been reported that patients can't get their records or even contact MS. Some people completely shut down due to grief and major depression. Avoidance is not an uncommon response to extreme grief. It doesn't matter who is counting on you to do what, some people can barely function and others don't function at all. Assuming MS is innocent, he has the added burdens of 1) his best friend murdering his wife, 2) he brought the murderer into his family's life, 3) the betrayal by his best friend (yes, it counts in addition to murdering his wife) because it's a huge loss as well and have an impact even though he might not realize it or consider it a loss on a conscious level. That would be a hard thing for anyone to admit, but it exists, nonetheless. I can't imagine how it would feel knowing your best friend horribly murdered your wife.

The aspect of endless victimization is especially destructive since the internet affords a kind of "anything goes" in regard to websites posting whatever they want regarding a person's character whether it's based on truth or bizarre conspiracies.

 

[Riversinthedesert]

Think I am going to read Skinner's thread again. I have read it a couple of times, and select sections but I had not really thought of Skinner as possibly a woman until the last couple of posts. I think I may read it as if it were a female friend and see what pops for me.

From Tricia's Twitter post...not sure if her reference to Skinner as "he" is definitive on the issue.

Tricia Griffith &#8207;@websleuths
Verified friend (skinner) of #TeresaSievers is now a #Websleuths member and he is answering questions for us.


https://mobile.twitter.com/websleuths/status/6380382215369359371

 

[KateB]

REMINDER: Remember the topic in this thread is Dr. Teresa Sievers - Alternate Motives and Theories (NOT involving MS) Please be sure to stay on topic.

Thanks.

 

[debbiegarcia36]

If I may I think Skinner is older than MS maybe a parent of a friend of his.
The word Rascal was used years ago. Just a thought!

My thoughts exactly. Skinner's choice of words and how he articulates make me think he is about 20 years older than MS & CWW.

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[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Quoting myself...

Post 143 in the Skinner thread, Skinner is 5 years older than ms. &#9786;

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[SeesSeas]

My thoughts exactly. Skinner's choice of words and how he articulates make me think he is about 20 years older than MS & CWW.

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Skinner wrote this &#8220;I met him [MS] when we were in college, and I'm about 5 years older than he. &#8220;

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...rs-46-***READ-ONLY***&p=12031510#post12031510

 

[debbiegarcia36]

Skinner wrote this “I met him [MS] when we were in college, and I'm about 5 years older than he. “

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...rs-46-***READ-ONLY***&p=12031510#post12031510

I'm older than Skinner but IMO he sounds older. Not that it makes a difference.

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