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susnoat said:
I watched all of this heartbreaking trial so far. Yes I am happy with some aspects of how things have gone, and disapointed in some others. Here is my take: After the judge denies the motion Monday morning, all JR has left to save his life, is to take the stand, admit he was there, and tell what really happened if it differs from CWW story. And take CWW and MS down with him. That is really the bottom line at this point. I would like to offer what I think of some testimonies, but I think it is pretty much pointless at this point. I will say I do not think that CWW was completely truthful, but actually was truthful enough. As I watched that, there are certain things I saw and caught, mannerisms and catchisms that he has used his entire life. He is minimizing his role. Is it enough for the state to revoke his recomendation? Only JR knows.
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We are on the same page. Peas & carrots. :)

Been thinking about you a lot lately. Hope you're doing okay. <3
 
I am watching Taylor's testimony now (had missed it the first time). I'm having heart palpitations and the shakes just watching her. The way she's acting is exactly how I feel when I get in the vicinity of my exH and he's not even a murderer. I can't imagine her anxiety level.
 
beach said:
@Scalex Hope you don't mind that I copied your post so I could respond to the individual points you made. (Scalex's original post is in black, mine in blue and all emphasis is mine)

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I said devils advocate. I agree that he was there, and that he was clearly wearing the coveralls, and so was CWW, and they are guilty. The fiber could be from either one of them. What I don’t agree is that it’s been proven without any doubt.

It doesn't have to be proven without any doubt. The judge will order the standard to be reasonable doubt. I get that is often lost with jurors, especially in case with stakes so incredibly high. Still, I think they will be able to when considering all the evidence presented, in totality.

I’m trying to watch and be objective, which is hard when we all have seen the evidence before the trial. I just want to see it from a jury perspective.

Totally agree. I suggest everyone put their emotions and biases aside if they want to understand how a jury actually deliberates.

Thankfully the trial isn’t over. I don’t think TaySho or CWW are credible on their own because of the amount of lies they’ve been caught in. TaySho was offered more than $400 a month, she said in trial they told her she could be eligible for $55,000 the first time they took a statement from her. That’s more than they said JRR was offered to commit a violent murder. And for the record, I live in SWFL, and I’m not on any side of this case. I’m simply trying to see from a Juror POV if it could be plausible if JRR could’ve come for a burglary, witnessed the murder by CWW, then helped cover up the crime, as to not implicate himself as an accomplice. Then maybe bragged to his girlfriend that he helped to sound like a tough guy. This is the story the defense is trying to sell the jurors. So is it or is it not possible? That’s what I’m racking my brain to decide. I think he’s guilty, but not just based on the testimony we’ve seen alone. I’d love to hear others thoughts.

I agree that is the story the defense is trying to sell. I think it is a weak sales pitch, but not suggesting they have anything much better to go with. (Actually I can think of a better strategy, but not going to elaborate here until after the verdicts are rendered.) I disagree that Taylor and Wayne were not credible witnesses. Both came across MUCH, MUCH better than I had anticipated. Taylor came across as a young, unsophisticated, single mother with everything to lose if Jimmy was arrested. Important to note that she cooperated with LCSO before she had any clue about the witness assistance program. If she had any motive at all to cooperate, it would have been to avoid prosecution herself for helping to attempt to destroy evidence. She had zero motive to inform LE about the conversation they had in bed that night. She could have taken that to her grave and no one would have ever known. IMO, she told them because she was scared to death. She was genuinely terrified on the stand. And it wasn't just because of the courtroom atmosphere. She had her body turned so she didn't have to see Jimmy. So he could not intimidate her with his stares. She broke down several times. Once was when she was questioned about him being a good father to her children. She obviously had been in love with him and this was hard for her. Very vulnerable. Single mom with no child support, I think the jury will understand why she asked for the financial assistance.

Wayne - He is what/who he is. Most importantly, he owned it. He owned that he lied on his prior statements to LE. His reasoning was believable. He said he lied to protect them all. Later he lied to protect himself. That's what criminals do - lie so they won't be arrested. The jury will understand that. I believed almost every word that came out of his mouth until he got to the garage on the night of the murder. Even then, I believe most of what he said. The things that give me pause are things that don't really matter. For example, when he testified about why they came back for the funeral, he said it was because his "wife, being the person she is, insisted..." I think that was planned long before. It was his best friend's wife. He knew he would have to turn around and drive back down. There are a few other things but nothing significant as to Jimmy's involvement. The most important thing is - the physical evidence corroborates Wayne's testimony. It's been my experience that when a jury is torn about how much weight to give a convicted felon's testimony, they compare it to the physical evidence. If they do that, things should go okay for the prosecution. They don't have to like him. Heck, I cannot stand the man but I believe most of what he said. Frankly, knowing what we know about him, it is frightening how well he presents himself. He came across as actually quite likable. Stop for a minute and think about that. Terrifying.
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So much for me staying off WS this wknd... LOL

Taylor S was scared on the stand and who could blame her. Sounds like she had a roller coaster type of life might but she values her life and she went to LE. I can see how easily JRR scared her and manipulated her. He took her in and used that as leverage. I think the jury will see her a vulnerable mom but she was credible and she was not acting re her fear for JRR.

I still go back and forth re CWW and his behavior on the stand. Part of me thinks he knew he went too far and I am convinced Mark has something to hold against him if he didn't help.

Again, I am still reeling abut the details what happened that night. No one should experience that
 
TTF14 said:
I am watching Taylor's testimony now (had missed it the first time). I'm having heart palpitations and the shakes just watching her. The way she's acting is exactly how I feel when I get in the vicinity of my exH and he's not even a murderer. I can't imagine her anxiety level.
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I can relate and completely agree. Maybe that is why I identified with her level of fear and anxiety. I felt so sorry for her.
 
@beach T's medical practice business will be looked at thoroughly during MArk's trial, correct? That part of this case really bothers me. I think Mark used the affair excuse to hide a more in depth reason why he wanted T killed. I really feel she was on to him about tons of stuff.
 
msboo said:
MY BAD! And I won’t ask for an acquittal.

Apologies to kakidoll and all on the Rodgers Trial thread and Thanks goes out to Oregonmama & Scalex (thought there was a 3rd member?) for correcting me about the defense team info I put out to answer kakidoll’s earlier question there.

I promise, no adult alcohol was involved in my misdeed.
Carry on Sleuths!
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No apologies needed on my end.. i knew i get turned in circles and things fly in and out of my mind so fast after following these trials for so long. I hate asking because i know the answers are there, i just can't search thru all the threads to find them and know that some members on here are right on top of those specs. :-)
 
Oregonmama said:
@beach T's medical practice business will be looked at thoroughly during MArk's trial, correct? That part of this case really bothers me. I think Mark used the affair excuse to hide a more in depth reason why he wanted T killed. I really feel she was on to him about tons of stuff.
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IDK but I have info about the guy Mark was obsessed with. The one he told Wayne about. There was NO affair with that man. LCSO interviewed him and he gave a formal sworn statement. ( It is an audio statement and I will try to link it later. )He resides in CA so they interviewed him via phone. It has been so long since I have signed into the Sieverscase google drive where we stored all the discovery, that I can't recall the password. I could access it only because it was saved on my google account. I will try to figure out a way to share those files though. I want to review a lot of the statements/discovery docs. Right now I am going sign off and watch my college football team play. LOL Will deal with it when I am done.
 
beach said:
IDK but I have info about the guy Mark was obsessed with. The one he told Wayne about. There was NO affair with that man. LCSO interviewed him and he gave a formal sworn statement. ( It is an audio statement and I will try to link it later. )He resides in CA so they interviewed him via phone. It has been so long since I have signed into the Sieverscase google drive where we stored all the discovery, that I can't recall the password. I could access it only because it was saved on my google account. I will try to figure out a way to share those files though. I want to review a lot of the statements/discovery docs. Right now I am going sign off and watch my college football team play. LOL Will deal with it when I am done.
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@beach

(I had to find that info and I did. I actually quoted my old post from 2016...)

Detectives also interviewed a doctor from Costa Mesa that met Teresa at a medical conference.

The doctor said he had shown interest in Teresa, but Teresa made it clear she was in a committed relationship.

&#8220;Over the course of any of the conversations she seemed to be in love with her husband,&#8221; he said. &#8220;I recall distinctly that they were close.&#8221;

The doctor did say he remembered Teresa characterizing her husband as possessive.

&#8220;I think there was a possessive nature with her relationship,&#8221; he said. &#8220;I wouldn&#8217;t use the word jealous but I would say possessive.&#8221;
 
TTF14 said:
I am watching Taylor's testimony now (had missed it the first time). I'm having heart palpitations and the shakes just watching her. The way she's acting is exactly how I feel when I get in the vicinity of my exH and he's not even a murderer. I can't imagine her anxiety level.
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The female defense attorney's mannerisms are so annoying. She randomly lurches forward like she's going to projectile vomit all over the pages she's marking up constantly with her pen in her left hand. Is this some sort of nervous tic?
 
Kakidoll said:
No apologies needed on my end.. i knew i get turned in circles and things fly in and out of my mind so fast after following these trials for so long. I hate asking because i know the answers are there, i just can't search thru all the threads to find them and know that some members on here are right on top of those specs. :)
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Thnx, kakidoll.... I go in circles as well. Could blame it on Fitz but won’t. It was a hard day though.
 
Scalex said:
I said devils advocate. I agree that he was there, and that he was clearly wearing the coveralls, and so was CWW, and they are guilty. The fiber could be from either one of them. What I don’t agree is that it’s been proven without any doubt. I’m trying to watch and be objective, which is hard when we all have seen the evidence before the trial. I just want to see it from a jury perspective. Thankfully the trial isn’t over. I don’t think TaySho or CWW are credible on their own because of the amount of lies they’ve been caught in. TaySho was offered more than $400 a month, she said in trial they told her she could be eligible for $55,000 the first time they took a statement from her. That’s more than they said JRR was offered to commit a violent murder. And for the record, I live in SWFL, and I’m not on any side of this case. I’m simply trying to see from a Juror POV if it could be plausible if JRR could’ve come for a burglary, witnessed the murder by CWW, then helped cover up the crime, as to not implicate himself as an accomplice. Then maybe bragged to his girlfriend that he helped to sound like a tough guy. This is the story the defense is trying to sell the jurors. So is it or is it not possible? That’s what I’m racking my brain to decide. I think he’s guilty, but not just based on the testimony we’ve seen alone. I’d love to hear others thoughts.
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Hopefully the closing argument by the State should be able to convince the jury and you that JRR is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The State will take all the pieces of testimony and link it together to prove JRR was going to Florida with CWW with intent to kill someone. He took gloves, duct tape and coveralls to Florida. And dont forget the $10,000 that JRR thought he was going to get. This was collaborated by both Shomaker and Wright. Then there was his confession to Taylor. Why would she testify against him? She had nothing to gain. He was at the scene so that makes him just as guilty, even if he didnt swing the hammer. Then of course there were his lies and trying to discard evidence. All this together and much more should prove guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
 
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Oregonmama said:
@beach T's medical practice business will be looked at thoroughly during MArk's trial, correct? That part of this case really bothers me. I think Mark used the affair excuse to hide a more in depth reason why he wanted T killed. I really feel she was on to him about tons of stuff.
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As we remember how MS was seen in the med office lot throwing tech stuff in the dumpster there... in the morning, the day of her funeral. And wasn’t he driving her Mercedes wagon? I believe so.
 
Wyle_E_Coyote said:
I can't believe how irritated he still is about the dog dishes.
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Yeah. Me too. CWW is either trying to make excuses for being a bumbling idiot; or trying to create a believable narrative that doesn't exist. He is a teller of stories. Just because you repeat a story, over and over again, doesn't magically make it more believable. At least, in my book. You can tell the idiot is being very careful with his answers. Heaven forbid, he should trip!!
 
Arachne 1 said:
Yes. I think CWW and his cohorts lie about everything, constantly. Instead of a pinch of salt, I think you need a barrel, with this bunch!

Careful with your blood pressure!
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I never learn and need constant reminders to not be gullible.
Someone like CWW is a pro at lying.

After I asked that question about the dog dishes, I thought about it more. See, I think CWW was somewhat truthful and credible. But, he does know how to spin a story in his favor. He wasn't planning on using the hammer, but he did have the hammer in his hand. People fall for the little details liars add, and the dog dishes maybe helped CWW appear less cold-blooded. However, I think the average juror will find him credible and think JRR went overboard with his hammer.

Love low salt potato chips.​
 
Re. the dog dishes - there was a photo admitted into evidence where the dog dishes were clearly visible. Actually, I noticed it before Wayne testified about that. IIRC, the angle the photo was taken from was as you would exit the laundry room to enter the kitchen. It was one of those for a larger dog, the kind in a stand. It was in a very odd place - smack dab in the middle of the walking path to enter the kitchen. I probably would’ve doubted that portion of Wayne’s story if I hadn’t seen that pic first.

Not positive, but think that pic was introduced during the crime scene investigator’s testimony. The female who photographed & put out evidence markers.
 
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