KageyKaren 8/9/09
SS this could very well be a spot next to a soccer feild as my mind felt "karen its an old ball field, concentrate on Lindsey. No sign for score, bleachers or mesh fence. Soccer grass is right on the money except not worn in. Eyebrows alittle wirey, could have used grooming but I can tell he wouldn't be concerned with dapper grooming more manager or janitorial grooming. Not a rich golfer polo guy. It actuall unerved me while in the moment that he had matching colors on and the olive green shirt was newer and the type of shirt that when you throw in the dryer it comes out perfect. Hair to middle of ears wiry as well strawberry sandy blond turing some color to gray but kind of blending in with the blondes and minimal strawberry color. Anglo saxon for sure! That shirt may have had a button pocket on my left as I looked up from laying ontop of Lindsey, facing the perp and it was difficut from ground level staring up. I didn't tell in my first post as I was taken aback. My mind was saying,"Lay like Lindsey look up at what she sees and I didn't want to but made myself . I was even creeped out having do that while laying on her. For some reason this was very important to her thatI lay like her. She new this man!!!!! if my dream into awaked vision is the best way to descibe the moment. Also this guy was not gross unattarctive, he just needed a bit of spiffing up if going to the Mteropolitan grill for example but didn't appear to be the type to go to those places. Yes he could clean up if he wanted to hang at a casino
KageyKaren 8/9/09
you would have to drive further in once in the park. His clothes looked very kept and collar open.
KageyKaren:
I'm going to try to post a pic of Wa. Park Ranger Mary A Boner, that is wearing the closet attire I'v seen yet. I'v been looking at all types of uniforms from various jobs to see if anything stood out, because I was troubled by his matching of clothes of this kind. All the sudden after looking up every boy scout division of uniforms and crossed those off the list. LE off list, flight maintence crew uniforms and national guard, Fish and wildlife uniforms and civillian Park rangers in field uniforms, less proper and I can't locate those. I'm not trying to say it is a Park ranger but the uniform I saw on Mary A. Boner smaked me in the face to the point of stomach turning. Was there a day camp for Jr. Park Rangers offered to children in Mc Cleary and other close towns? If you don't look at this mans attire as a uniform but more of a street clothes trying to be up to code for a job might help. To answer a question presented Lindsey's body and her head were directly in front of the forrest bushes as if the man could push her into the woods instead of pulling out of the woods. The edge of this forrest-bush (no Alder trees) would take a bit of a walk from where the openning started. Going by what I saw in my vision moment the perp would have to have drove Lindsey to this area. I don't know if the brutal attack happened before the place she laid or was hurt before. my gut tells me the attack of physical harm did take place in the back of the clearing. It seemed like the lull of the day after lunch hour as it seemed he was going to continue his day as planned. This would make Lindsey being held hidden before the drive to where she was. He was not affected in any way by the brutality he used on her and had nothing showing on his clothes like blood. Hands appeared weather, chapped,dry but not as if he did any type of hard labor. This man looked nothing like what I'v invisioned and posted. I expected a more creepy, greasey large not buff person who had difficulty with women and his station in life and it was clear the man I saw was none of those descriptions. I could see this guy buying a juice drink at the Shell station and chatting it up alittle with the attendant as I could tell he likes himself alot and is comfortable. since he wasn't dirty one bit I don't know where the attack took place as she was literally hanging on to a last moment of life
. One of the things that I felt while looking up from a laying position at his stance was how tall he seemed from that angle, kind of like an optical illusion , maybe like Lindsey percieved him. Tall meaning authority. I hope this guy is caught and I'm way off the mark!! This has been daunting combined with my road trip experience. This seems like a sleepy town that gets busy around 5 o pm due to people getting off work. I saw many a man that one may think to be a perp by looks associated to alot of these crimes but that look is not what I saw in my vision. The man I saw could fit into many social settings.
KageyKaren 8/10/09
One thing I haven't discussed is my spiritual (I guess) placement and how it felt in that moment. Lindsey was very aware of my presence, tunnel vision towards her face then body, the face again. We were connected in that moment and felt like we were inside a clear oval, not a bubble, intensely eyes to eyes. The perp had no knowledge of my being there, like I was invisble to him. I moved off Lindsey to my left beside her head and body got up squatting on my toes knees bent, feeling I had to look at hers eyes again and dreading it . When I did she had already passed. I felt a sadness but more of a feeling of drained "Oh my god, what do I do for her, how can I relay such a story. If I was a patient in the line of work I did, I wouldsay they are delusions from a loss but this wasn't the case. This clearing is inside a much larger forrest but can be accessed.
TamgMit: 8/10/09
Last week in July think it was the 26 I had kind of weird dream at the time didn't know what it meant. In the dream my hubby C, ex hubby R and ex childhood boyfriend call him B. All three where just standing in front of me. They didn't say a word just stood there and I asked why are you standing there and they didn't answer. Got to thinking about it and making comparison's to what they do. C is an electrician who also does maintenance work for an apartment house, R Is a mechanic who use to race at the drag way, Drove a septic truck and presently Oil truck. Actually was shocked to see B in my dream. He works Landscaping for some people but his wife works in a nursing home with me. Also thinking about it both C an R built their own house. From my experience both with the mechanic hands do get dry but are usually pretty dirty looking hard to get the grease off. Electrician hands from pulling wire, they tend to get chapped although Eucerin helps with that.. Have no idea about the landscaper. I imagine if you are pulling at weeds and working with hands might leave your hands callased. I know mechanics usually wear a uniform and is usually dark in color. I kind of wondered if this dream pertained to LB not sure.
KageyKaren: 8/10/09
You know SS i was hoping he had awedding band on and he didn't. He took his left hand palm down, middle of belly, gripping right side to do his little last tuck as if he had tucked in most of his shirt already. When I say left it is from my laying view point. Remember I described the medal on the belt buckle as tarnished gold plated is best description. The only thing i can think of with that view (nothing in back of him or to his sides didn't matter in that moment, I had to keep looking at his face almost like I couldn't even if I wanted to. The woods clearing was 4 sides. If he's standing in front of me, and he turned with his back to me, walked straight ahead to the opposite end of clearing, he could walk straight into the forrest or make a right turn about 6ft.in front of woods to his right it would place him on the incomming road.
There were no signs power lines or even a marker for mi. This tells me he accsessed the area from a main road or main backroad in a park leading to this road taking one back to the openning. The site i saw was not a cleared area like a logging road leading to a clearing of tress and brush. Had I not remembered Tuba's post of loney I would have desribed the spot as sereenly lonely. There was a beauty in that clearing comming from the lush greenery, soft grass, periwinkle sky and the clean smell of associated with the outdoors. Not one bit of timber, logging smell. Outdoors person would love such a spot to pitch a tent. Funny thing I couldn't smell but I felt the smell inside of me as if I took in a big breath to clear my lungs. I know what your thinking.my sluethy friends, but don't rule out property surrounding a golf course far from the greens. When I first looked down and saw it was Lindsey before I saw those eyes, I saw her in what I thought was a burgundy little cotton blouse, short sleeved one pooffy of a short sleeve with 1/2 in. band around arm, buttoned down. A sweet type 10 yr old type blouse. I realized when looking at Lindsey the final time that the crumpled up twisted blouse was actuall a light color through all the blood. Collar was an open one made for the little lapel to lay flat. She had shorts or panties on, everything twisted as if no time was taken in hurting. the look of calm conquering. His face wasn't a baby face. It wasn't fried wrinkled from yrs. of sun. Ruff needed to shave wrinkles like he was in out of son. I'm not trying to lead into any direction but i'm thinking plant supervisor no mechanics involved due to semi rough hands alittle eucerin would help out. Associated with parks and forrest some way. Possible fishing camping association, grounds keeper, someone who sprays lawns but doesn't landscape on a job maybe sends crews out from some type of business. Could he be apart of a co. repping products? This is gonna get you. If you place wiry disheveld hair as if you put your fingers on each side and messed it, then take away all acne, add bushy blonding graying eyebrows you would have a man resembling Robert Reford in the face. I don't know if robert has skinny lips but this guy did. This guy i could tell knows how to work his sweet side to his advatage I could tell. The sun was behind the clouds so I couldn't tell what direction I was in. If I were to guess from that moment it would be behind Lindsey as there was some natural shading behind her from the tall beautiful fir trees and trees with green leaves looking irradescent. If staring down at her the edge of the forest wrapped around to the left where i saw that old long netting hanging haphazardly as if it had been in the elements for a long time but had originaaly been used in that spot it was caught on the floiage.
Salem 8/11/09
I had a dream last night and I THINK it is related to this case. If it is, the perp has acted before and his actions have been in the media before. I can't seem to remember all the details of the dream and there is a phrase or some words sitting on top of my brain that would offer a clue - BUT I can't get them out. It's like the word on the tip of your tongue but you just can't remember? Except these words or phrase are a little further back in my brain.. uggh.
I woke up feeling excited, nervous and scared. The dream was almost a nightmare. This perp is not pleasant.
I was sure it was a first time offender - but now, I don't think so. I think this is a known perp.
Coastal: 8/11/09
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86190&page=8
KageyKaren: 8/11/09
YOU ARE A PEACH! I'm not alluding to the pk. ranger uniform but the color! This is the color, no doubt about it. Imagine the pleated pants (very olive green ) with matching shirt, no jacket. I bet you could feel why this was frustrating to find in a uniform as it isn't quite military green. Do remember when I discribed how the pants seemed to weight at the bottom? Well you said the word I just couln't come up with, "chinos" The difference though is they aren't quite stylish as Chinos that have that zoot suit look at the bottom but professional working and looking more than going out on the town. The netting was more of a gray weathered rope type that initially I felt like one that would catch golf balls in the old days. The problem is the old tattered tether rope was down straddling the bushes, making this difficult to see full height and length. I tried to post but it kept saying my post was to short??? I'm not ready by any means to committ to a possibly Pk. ranger who loosened up his collar
Salem: 8/11/09
The phrase has something to do with a's, big and little a's - like Triple A? AAAaaaaaaAAA
The perp - oh my... he has acted before. He is brutal. He has been in the media before and that may have something to do with the a's? It seems his crimes have been in the media, but I'm not sure.
Can he act pleasant? I don't know. I did not see any pleasant in my dream. But can see him in the clothes you described standing over Lindsey. And the belt - definitly a belt. White/grey hair, kinda long and maybe sometimes worn in a pony tail And a car - a big car. Not an SUV, but like a Caddy touring type car. Maybe a red interior? Not sure. But an older model,
KageyKaren: 8/11/09
Thinking about that moment and how distortedly tall the perp appeared from a laying position tells me that this clearing you can walk into after those trails like you posted wasn't a football field (I never felt that) but may have not been as long stretching to right turn rd. as it seemed and I was in a strange moment knowing while this is going on there were things around I knew in that moment I need to focus more on but I had to follow through while taking glimpses from the back of the clearing. One of the things I didn't mention was something that was going through me mind and I felt it was trivial and honestly couldn't pay attention to it and it was a thought that kept annoyingly bothering me at an intense time and it was saying, "See if theres a cabin home, pk ranger station, picnic tables Is that one, look again" I didn't post it because I couldn't be definate. JO it looks just like that brown bld, look out sluegh I swear! If I'm laying from the forrest edge it was to my right over the brush holding the broken down gray rope and you could walk up yo it. I'll be backnetting
KageyKaren 8/11/09
Anyway, What i meant by Kcky and I even hesitated to use it because. I meant kacky feel with olive green. I just didn't know how to word what was flowing from my mouth. Does that help? The gage of the polyester cotton pants is to difficult to explain other than what I wrote.
TamgMit: 8/12/09
Jennifer for the taking the beautiful pictures. Three areas there was both bridges and that area where you turned right. The second bridge moreso where that railing is only oneside and kind of reminded me of a rail track with the ties being over head instead of under me. Yet the first bridge had the cement/aspect to it. Kind of looking for sort of a ravin with trees on both sides that are fairly tall and trees that where in front but the ones in front seemed lower why got the impression was some sort of ravin. Grass was green and taller almost like hay ready to be mowed. I was kind of trying to combine what kagey was seeing as well at what I had seen/dreamed. I did not get the feeling of the water of being blackwater.. and it didn't feel dirty to me. In dream it was pond off to left of railroad tracks and heard black water but it felt dirty and believe it is out in country side
TamgMit: 8/12/09
Not sure these dreams pertain to LB and was kind of looking for confirmation on some of the things I had been dreaming. begining of July words such as woods, Jewlrey for cash, and the most recent was beaver creek. I am knew at interrupting what I am dreaming or hear or feel.. An area that has sort of caught my eye has been on route 108 going to 101. Skookum Creek. Which is approximately 4 miles from hinklin road. I would love to have a picture of some of this area especially around the train bridge. There is also a road that goes off of Hinklin road but on google maps doesn't have a name. My feeling is she is more northern IMO but I have nothing to base why I feel that way
TamgMit 8/12/09
When I see stated triple A's I think Triple Bipass. Having to do with the heart. (Aortic) Major vessel. Then I think bi -pass and heart.. maybe heart of intersection of a busy road or river
Scandi: 8/12/09
Originally Posted by concentric ------------------------Talk about someone who feels silly for posting the above I added another CA town/city to it starting with San _______.Do you suppose I am thinking: Ice delivery. That the perp. delivers ice to convenience stores, bars or liquor stores?OK, go ahead and at me. I don't have ANY idea where this is coming from:confusedJust posting it, in case.
Here's a wild one Concentric. Maybe it follows the Triple A theory, he lives up out of Amanda Park, works for a delivery co in Aberdeen and delivers something up as far as Hwy 8 goes, which would include McCleary
KageyKaren: 8/12/09
When I saw the word combust I'm thinking, incenerator. I'v got a feeling it isn't related to fire. Help, for those who need to turtoring as I hate to always bother Tuba for an explanation in lay terms. As far as the close, they aren't going out close. This is a looke of a man who calls on clients for ex; A man carrying a clip board, knocking on your door to sell windows. Casual but professional to the trade he is in. Some I have listed are Pk employees not dressed in full uniform attire., sales rep for whatever trade he is in,. I didn't see this but he had a look of being a key holder , lots of keys on a ring. Yes he looked good but he also had the look of someone who wanted folks to see him more important than the actual job. Because the green color was so vivid, major point of reference, I'm thinking on a spiritual level "green is key" From the ground up in his matching olive clothes he looked like a tree. If I were to make a psychic guess ( and I never would) I would say this perp's job has him knowing the lay of the land. He appears to have (Ah Ha! moment just now) of an Eddie Bower Look but not polished like an ad model or a Cabella look. There was a collar. These shoes I saw are good for walking shoes to support someone on their feet all day.
Concentric: 8/17/09
This a.m. I was thinking about a moraine, as in a psychic perception
TamgMit: 8/17/09
I had three short dreams, not sure they even pertain or understand them. The first was of a Map not sure where this map is of but in Bright Yellow letters Was Franklin at the pinpoint. Then heard in mind go south down just a little ways. There is a cave we are staying in. I woke up and wrote it down then layed back down and went back to sleep. Then started dreaming and this woman was apologizing to this fella because she made him fill out this form. She said he seemed very impatient, rushed and ansy. I again woke up.. Then the next dream was a whole page of MISC toothbrush from the top of page to bottom. Have no idea what this means, if anything, or it could be bunch of things I heard in the last few days and in my unconscience mind was trying to figure out things. The MISC Toothbrush kind of reminded me of being in school and when you did something wrong you had to stay after and write it several pages..
Concentric: 8/18/09
Along with the word moraine, I got Drummond or something and I thought that's Irish or Scottish and didn't make sense. So I researched moraines and there is such a thing as a Drumlin Moraine which is a ridged-type rock formation left by a glacier. Could the frozen matter I was thinking of have been a glacier?
Tuba was saying something about an isolated and lonely place
Corralaroc: 8/18/09
just awoke from a dream about Lindsey that contained something like a "moraine" as it was an odd drop-off of soil at a small parking lot. It was as if the earth's crust had fractured all around the edges and this parking lot had sunk down anywhere from 2 to 4 feet. I could see the rough edges of the rock-encrusted soil - and made an effort to remember it. (I had not seen Concentric's post about the word moraine, and did not know what the word meant until now.)
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My feeling is that this dream is about some of the events leading up
to her disappearance, at this point making a plan, she is a run-away -
not an abductee or victim.
It begins with L at a wholesome party at a friend's house.
Laughter, singing and testimonials like those of a church group.
She has a crush on an older boy, and says something to him
out loud which embarrasses her in front of everyone, esp. because
he has a girlfriend (who doesn't attend these functions).
Someone in the kitchen explains to L how to use stale bread to
make bread crumbs for bake-frying fish. She is instructed to
make sure the large salmon stays perfectly flat at all times,
as the crushing of the bones & cartilage will affect its flavor.
(My note: Is this really true about cooking salmon, I wonder?)
The salmon had been hand delivered to the house, in a brown
paper bag, and placed just inside the door before the party.
Dream word is JUICE.
Next is a new scene, different people around. She is looking out the
2nd story window of an apartment building or hotel, overlooking
a parking lot. She can see 2 sky blue shuttle vans below.
She is alone in the room, looking out this window to see if the
car she arrived in is still there - sees it, ok, some relief.
Next, she gets into one of the blue shuttle vans which will take
her into the neighboring mid-sized city/town. "Thanks for the
ride. I just moved here, so I don't know my way around yet."
As they go along the main road, she can look down on the city,
sees lots of buildings and houses. Prominent feature is a factory
on the north or east side with billows of steam coming out of
its chimney. City surrounded by forest of course, in a small
valley.
This is a place she has never been to before. Slightly
nervous, but does not feel terrified. She wants to be
the last passenger dropped off, so she can "get a feel
for the town".
The driver drops off the 2nd-to-the-last passenger,
makes a wrong turn and has to turn about in this sunken
parking lot mentioned above. Difficult, not enough
space around parked cars to turn around easily. (This
feels contrived, this driver knows the town well, how
could he make a wrong turn?)
Driver and other remaining passenger (male, dark hair,
20-something) begin to joke about the caved-in parking
lot. "What if we disappear into this hole and no one ever
finds us?" she says half-jokingly. The driver explains
how this parking lot sinks every year after the winter
thaw.
The conversation then revolves around "getting lost"
(driver and passenger are in cahoots?). As the van
heads back out of town along a road surrounded by forest,
the other passenger jokes that he is wearing enough after-
shave and deodorant, "we can get lost for a week", no
problem.
The words TWO to FOUR MILES
(in this dream, I am just an observer, I seem to be hovering above and to her right at all times)
SS this could very well be a spot next to a soccer feild as my mind felt "karen its an old ball field, concentrate on Lindsey. No sign for score, bleachers or mesh fence. Soccer grass is right on the money except not worn in. Eyebrows alittle wirey, could have used grooming but I can tell he wouldn't be concerned with dapper grooming more manager or janitorial grooming. Not a rich golfer polo guy. It actuall unerved me while in the moment that he had matching colors on and the olive green shirt was newer and the type of shirt that when you throw in the dryer it comes out perfect. Hair to middle of ears wiry as well strawberry sandy blond turing some color to gray but kind of blending in with the blondes and minimal strawberry color. Anglo saxon for sure! That shirt may have had a button pocket on my left as I looked up from laying ontop of Lindsey, facing the perp and it was difficut from ground level staring up. I didn't tell in my first post as I was taken aback. My mind was saying,"Lay like Lindsey look up at what she sees and I didn't want to but made myself . I was even creeped out having do that while laying on her. For some reason this was very important to her thatI lay like her. She new this man!!!!! if my dream into awaked vision is the best way to descibe the moment. Also this guy was not gross unattarctive, he just needed a bit of spiffing up if going to the Mteropolitan grill for example but didn't appear to be the type to go to those places. Yes he could clean up if he wanted to hang at a casino
KageyKaren 8/9/09
you would have to drive further in once in the park. His clothes looked very kept and collar open.
KageyKaren:
I'm going to try to post a pic of Wa. Park Ranger Mary A Boner, that is wearing the closet attire I'v seen yet. I'v been looking at all types of uniforms from various jobs to see if anything stood out, because I was troubled by his matching of clothes of this kind. All the sudden after looking up every boy scout division of uniforms and crossed those off the list. LE off list, flight maintence crew uniforms and national guard, Fish and wildlife uniforms and civillian Park rangers in field uniforms, less proper and I can't locate those. I'm not trying to say it is a Park ranger but the uniform I saw on Mary A. Boner smaked me in the face to the point of stomach turning. Was there a day camp for Jr. Park Rangers offered to children in Mc Cleary and other close towns? If you don't look at this mans attire as a uniform but more of a street clothes trying to be up to code for a job might help. To answer a question presented Lindsey's body and her head were directly in front of the forrest bushes as if the man could push her into the woods instead of pulling out of the woods. The edge of this forrest-bush (no Alder trees) would take a bit of a walk from where the openning started. Going by what I saw in my vision moment the perp would have to have drove Lindsey to this area. I don't know if the brutal attack happened before the place she laid or was hurt before. my gut tells me the attack of physical harm did take place in the back of the clearing. It seemed like the lull of the day after lunch hour as it seemed he was going to continue his day as planned. This would make Lindsey being held hidden before the drive to where she was. He was not affected in any way by the brutality he used on her and had nothing showing on his clothes like blood. Hands appeared weather, chapped,dry but not as if he did any type of hard labor. This man looked nothing like what I'v invisioned and posted. I expected a more creepy, greasey large not buff person who had difficulty with women and his station in life and it was clear the man I saw was none of those descriptions. I could see this guy buying a juice drink at the Shell station and chatting it up alittle with the attendant as I could tell he likes himself alot and is comfortable. since he wasn't dirty one bit I don't know where the attack took place as she was literally hanging on to a last moment of life
. One of the things that I felt while looking up from a laying position at his stance was how tall he seemed from that angle, kind of like an optical illusion , maybe like Lindsey percieved him. Tall meaning authority. I hope this guy is caught and I'm way off the mark!! This has been daunting combined with my road trip experience. This seems like a sleepy town that gets busy around 5 o pm due to people getting off work. I saw many a man that one may think to be a perp by looks associated to alot of these crimes but that look is not what I saw in my vision. The man I saw could fit into many social settings.
KageyKaren 8/10/09
One thing I haven't discussed is my spiritual (I guess) placement and how it felt in that moment. Lindsey was very aware of my presence, tunnel vision towards her face then body, the face again. We were connected in that moment and felt like we were inside a clear oval, not a bubble, intensely eyes to eyes. The perp had no knowledge of my being there, like I was invisble to him. I moved off Lindsey to my left beside her head and body got up squatting on my toes knees bent, feeling I had to look at hers eyes again and dreading it . When I did she had already passed. I felt a sadness but more of a feeling of drained "Oh my god, what do I do for her, how can I relay such a story. If I was a patient in the line of work I did, I wouldsay they are delusions from a loss but this wasn't the case. This clearing is inside a much larger forrest but can be accessed.
TamgMit: 8/10/09
Last week in July think it was the 26 I had kind of weird dream at the time didn't know what it meant. In the dream my hubby C, ex hubby R and ex childhood boyfriend call him B. All three where just standing in front of me. They didn't say a word just stood there and I asked why are you standing there and they didn't answer. Got to thinking about it and making comparison's to what they do. C is an electrician who also does maintenance work for an apartment house, R Is a mechanic who use to race at the drag way, Drove a septic truck and presently Oil truck. Actually was shocked to see B in my dream. He works Landscaping for some people but his wife works in a nursing home with me. Also thinking about it both C an R built their own house. From my experience both with the mechanic hands do get dry but are usually pretty dirty looking hard to get the grease off. Electrician hands from pulling wire, they tend to get chapped although Eucerin helps with that.. Have no idea about the landscaper. I imagine if you are pulling at weeds and working with hands might leave your hands callased. I know mechanics usually wear a uniform and is usually dark in color. I kind of wondered if this dream pertained to LB not sure.
KageyKaren: 8/10/09
You know SS i was hoping he had awedding band on and he didn't. He took his left hand palm down, middle of belly, gripping right side to do his little last tuck as if he had tucked in most of his shirt already. When I say left it is from my laying view point. Remember I described the medal on the belt buckle as tarnished gold plated is best description. The only thing i can think of with that view (nothing in back of him or to his sides didn't matter in that moment, I had to keep looking at his face almost like I couldn't even if I wanted to. The woods clearing was 4 sides. If he's standing in front of me, and he turned with his back to me, walked straight ahead to the opposite end of clearing, he could walk straight into the forrest or make a right turn about 6ft.in front of woods to his right it would place him on the incomming road.
There were no signs power lines or even a marker for mi. This tells me he accsessed the area from a main road or main backroad in a park leading to this road taking one back to the openning. The site i saw was not a cleared area like a logging road leading to a clearing of tress and brush. Had I not remembered Tuba's post of loney I would have desribed the spot as sereenly lonely. There was a beauty in that clearing comming from the lush greenery, soft grass, periwinkle sky and the clean smell of associated with the outdoors. Not one bit of timber, logging smell. Outdoors person would love such a spot to pitch a tent. Funny thing I couldn't smell but I felt the smell inside of me as if I took in a big breath to clear my lungs. I know what your thinking.my sluethy friends, but don't rule out property surrounding a golf course far from the greens. When I first looked down and saw it was Lindsey before I saw those eyes, I saw her in what I thought was a burgundy little cotton blouse, short sleeved one pooffy of a short sleeve with 1/2 in. band around arm, buttoned down. A sweet type 10 yr old type blouse. I realized when looking at Lindsey the final time that the crumpled up twisted blouse was actuall a light color through all the blood. Collar was an open one made for the little lapel to lay flat. She had shorts or panties on, everything twisted as if no time was taken in hurting. the look of calm conquering. His face wasn't a baby face. It wasn't fried wrinkled from yrs. of sun. Ruff needed to shave wrinkles like he was in out of son. I'm not trying to lead into any direction but i'm thinking plant supervisor no mechanics involved due to semi rough hands alittle eucerin would help out. Associated with parks and forrest some way. Possible fishing camping association, grounds keeper, someone who sprays lawns but doesn't landscape on a job maybe sends crews out from some type of business. Could he be apart of a co. repping products? This is gonna get you. If you place wiry disheveld hair as if you put your fingers on each side and messed it, then take away all acne, add bushy blonding graying eyebrows you would have a man resembling Robert Reford in the face. I don't know if robert has skinny lips but this guy did. This guy i could tell knows how to work his sweet side to his advatage I could tell. The sun was behind the clouds so I couldn't tell what direction I was in. If I were to guess from that moment it would be behind Lindsey as there was some natural shading behind her from the tall beautiful fir trees and trees with green leaves looking irradescent. If staring down at her the edge of the forest wrapped around to the left where i saw that old long netting hanging haphazardly as if it had been in the elements for a long time but had originaaly been used in that spot it was caught on the floiage.
Salem 8/11/09
I had a dream last night and I THINK it is related to this case. If it is, the perp has acted before and his actions have been in the media before. I can't seem to remember all the details of the dream and there is a phrase or some words sitting on top of my brain that would offer a clue - BUT I can't get them out. It's like the word on the tip of your tongue but you just can't remember? Except these words or phrase are a little further back in my brain.. uggh.
I woke up feeling excited, nervous and scared. The dream was almost a nightmare. This perp is not pleasant.
I was sure it was a first time offender - but now, I don't think so. I think this is a known perp.
Coastal: 8/11/09
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86190&page=8
KageyKaren: 8/11/09
YOU ARE A PEACH! I'm not alluding to the pk. ranger uniform but the color! This is the color, no doubt about it. Imagine the pleated pants (very olive green ) with matching shirt, no jacket. I bet you could feel why this was frustrating to find in a uniform as it isn't quite military green. Do remember when I discribed how the pants seemed to weight at the bottom? Well you said the word I just couln't come up with, "chinos" The difference though is they aren't quite stylish as Chinos that have that zoot suit look at the bottom but professional working and looking more than going out on the town. The netting was more of a gray weathered rope type that initially I felt like one that would catch golf balls in the old days. The problem is the old tattered tether rope was down straddling the bushes, making this difficult to see full height and length. I tried to post but it kept saying my post was to short??? I'm not ready by any means to committ to a possibly Pk. ranger who loosened up his collar
Salem: 8/11/09
The phrase has something to do with a's, big and little a's - like Triple A? AAAaaaaaaAAA
The perp - oh my... he has acted before. He is brutal. He has been in the media before and that may have something to do with the a's? It seems his crimes have been in the media, but I'm not sure.
Can he act pleasant? I don't know. I did not see any pleasant in my dream. But can see him in the clothes you described standing over Lindsey. And the belt - definitly a belt. White/grey hair, kinda long and maybe sometimes worn in a pony tail And a car - a big car. Not an SUV, but like a Caddy touring type car. Maybe a red interior? Not sure. But an older model,
KageyKaren: 8/11/09
Thinking about that moment and how distortedly tall the perp appeared from a laying position tells me that this clearing you can walk into after those trails like you posted wasn't a football field (I never felt that) but may have not been as long stretching to right turn rd. as it seemed and I was in a strange moment knowing while this is going on there were things around I knew in that moment I need to focus more on but I had to follow through while taking glimpses from the back of the clearing. One of the things I didn't mention was something that was going through me mind and I felt it was trivial and honestly couldn't pay attention to it and it was a thought that kept annoyingly bothering me at an intense time and it was saying, "See if theres a cabin home, pk ranger station, picnic tables Is that one, look again" I didn't post it because I couldn't be definate. JO it looks just like that brown bld, look out sluegh I swear! If I'm laying from the forrest edge it was to my right over the brush holding the broken down gray rope and you could walk up yo it. I'll be backnetting
KageyKaren 8/11/09
Anyway, What i meant by Kcky and I even hesitated to use it because. I meant kacky feel with olive green. I just didn't know how to word what was flowing from my mouth. Does that help? The gage of the polyester cotton pants is to difficult to explain other than what I wrote.
TamgMit: 8/12/09
Jennifer for the taking the beautiful pictures. Three areas there was both bridges and that area where you turned right. The second bridge moreso where that railing is only oneside and kind of reminded me of a rail track with the ties being over head instead of under me. Yet the first bridge had the cement/aspect to it. Kind of looking for sort of a ravin with trees on both sides that are fairly tall and trees that where in front but the ones in front seemed lower why got the impression was some sort of ravin. Grass was green and taller almost like hay ready to be mowed. I was kind of trying to combine what kagey was seeing as well at what I had seen/dreamed. I did not get the feeling of the water of being blackwater.. and it didn't feel dirty to me. In dream it was pond off to left of railroad tracks and heard black water but it felt dirty and believe it is out in country side
TamgMit: 8/12/09
Not sure these dreams pertain to LB and was kind of looking for confirmation on some of the things I had been dreaming. begining of July words such as woods, Jewlrey for cash, and the most recent was beaver creek. I am knew at interrupting what I am dreaming or hear or feel.. An area that has sort of caught my eye has been on route 108 going to 101. Skookum Creek. Which is approximately 4 miles from hinklin road. I would love to have a picture of some of this area especially around the train bridge. There is also a road that goes off of Hinklin road but on google maps doesn't have a name. My feeling is she is more northern IMO but I have nothing to base why I feel that way
TamgMit 8/12/09
When I see stated triple A's I think Triple Bipass. Having to do with the heart. (Aortic) Major vessel. Then I think bi -pass and heart.. maybe heart of intersection of a busy road or river
Scandi: 8/12/09
Originally Posted by concentric ------------------------Talk about someone who feels silly for posting the above I added another CA town/city to it starting with San _______.Do you suppose I am thinking: Ice delivery. That the perp. delivers ice to convenience stores, bars or liquor stores?OK, go ahead and at me. I don't have ANY idea where this is coming from:confusedJust posting it, in case.
Here's a wild one Concentric. Maybe it follows the Triple A theory, he lives up out of Amanda Park, works for a delivery co in Aberdeen and delivers something up as far as Hwy 8 goes, which would include McCleary
KageyKaren: 8/12/09
When I saw the word combust I'm thinking, incenerator. I'v got a feeling it isn't related to fire. Help, for those who need to turtoring as I hate to always bother Tuba for an explanation in lay terms. As far as the close, they aren't going out close. This is a looke of a man who calls on clients for ex; A man carrying a clip board, knocking on your door to sell windows. Casual but professional to the trade he is in. Some I have listed are Pk employees not dressed in full uniform attire., sales rep for whatever trade he is in,. I didn't see this but he had a look of being a key holder , lots of keys on a ring. Yes he looked good but he also had the look of someone who wanted folks to see him more important than the actual job. Because the green color was so vivid, major point of reference, I'm thinking on a spiritual level "green is key" From the ground up in his matching olive clothes he looked like a tree. If I were to make a psychic guess ( and I never would) I would say this perp's job has him knowing the lay of the land. He appears to have (Ah Ha! moment just now) of an Eddie Bower Look but not polished like an ad model or a Cabella look. There was a collar. These shoes I saw are good for walking shoes to support someone on their feet all day.
Concentric: 8/17/09
This a.m. I was thinking about a moraine, as in a psychic perception
TamgMit: 8/17/09
I had three short dreams, not sure they even pertain or understand them. The first was of a Map not sure where this map is of but in Bright Yellow letters Was Franklin at the pinpoint. Then heard in mind go south down just a little ways. There is a cave we are staying in. I woke up and wrote it down then layed back down and went back to sleep. Then started dreaming and this woman was apologizing to this fella because she made him fill out this form. She said he seemed very impatient, rushed and ansy. I again woke up.. Then the next dream was a whole page of MISC toothbrush from the top of page to bottom. Have no idea what this means, if anything, or it could be bunch of things I heard in the last few days and in my unconscience mind was trying to figure out things. The MISC Toothbrush kind of reminded me of being in school and when you did something wrong you had to stay after and write it several pages..
Concentric: 8/18/09
Along with the word moraine, I got Drummond or something and I thought that's Irish or Scottish and didn't make sense. So I researched moraines and there is such a thing as a Drumlin Moraine which is a ridged-type rock formation left by a glacier. Could the frozen matter I was thinking of have been a glacier?
Tuba was saying something about an isolated and lonely place
Corralaroc: 8/18/09
just awoke from a dream about Lindsey that contained something like a "moraine" as it was an odd drop-off of soil at a small parking lot. It was as if the earth's crust had fractured all around the edges and this parking lot had sunk down anywhere from 2 to 4 feet. I could see the rough edges of the rock-encrusted soil - and made an effort to remember it. (I had not seen Concentric's post about the word moraine, and did not know what the word meant until now.)
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My feeling is that this dream is about some of the events leading up
to her disappearance, at this point making a plan, she is a run-away -
not an abductee or victim.
It begins with L at a wholesome party at a friend's house.
Laughter, singing and testimonials like those of a church group.
She has a crush on an older boy, and says something to him
out loud which embarrasses her in front of everyone, esp. because
he has a girlfriend (who doesn't attend these functions).
Someone in the kitchen explains to L how to use stale bread to
make bread crumbs for bake-frying fish. She is instructed to
make sure the large salmon stays perfectly flat at all times,
as the crushing of the bones & cartilage will affect its flavor.
(My note: Is this really true about cooking salmon, I wonder?)
The salmon had been hand delivered to the house, in a brown
paper bag, and placed just inside the door before the party.
Dream word is JUICE.
Next is a new scene, different people around. She is looking out the
2nd story window of an apartment building or hotel, overlooking
a parking lot. She can see 2 sky blue shuttle vans below.
She is alone in the room, looking out this window to see if the
car she arrived in is still there - sees it, ok, some relief.
Next, she gets into one of the blue shuttle vans which will take
her into the neighboring mid-sized city/town. "Thanks for the
ride. I just moved here, so I don't know my way around yet."
As they go along the main road, she can look down on the city,
sees lots of buildings and houses. Prominent feature is a factory
on the north or east side with billows of steam coming out of
its chimney. City surrounded by forest of course, in a small
valley.
This is a place she has never been to before. Slightly
nervous, but does not feel terrified. She wants to be
the last passenger dropped off, so she can "get a feel
for the town".
The driver drops off the 2nd-to-the-last passenger,
makes a wrong turn and has to turn about in this sunken
parking lot mentioned above. Difficult, not enough
space around parked cars to turn around easily. (This
feels contrived, this driver knows the town well, how
could he make a wrong turn?)
Driver and other remaining passenger (male, dark hair,
20-something) begin to joke about the caved-in parking
lot. "What if we disappear into this hole and no one ever
finds us?" she says half-jokingly. The driver explains
how this parking lot sinks every year after the winter
thaw.
The conversation then revolves around "getting lost"
(driver and passenger are in cahoots?). As the van
heads back out of town along a road surrounded by forest,
the other passenger jokes that he is wearing enough after-
shave and deodorant, "we can get lost for a week", no
problem.
The words TWO to FOUR MILES
(in this dream, I am just an observer, I seem to be hovering above and to her right at all times)
