Dreams/Visions? - #1

[kageykaren]

I'm typing this fast as I lost my good post when LP went dead. Go here" Golf Link.com Then type in Lake Quinault Lodge. In your mind take away all structers, imagine grass greener, sky the color of periwinkle looking like it wants to rain but won't, a slight muggy heavy feel but a clean luscious green feel. Toes would love this grass. It doesn't look like golf turf. The spot would be smaller than this pic. I'v been searching the net to match the clothes on perp. I felt it was work attire looking up at him and height 5'8 realm. What do grounds keepers of golf courses, and resorts wear? I'v looked at LE and military and that isn't it. Thanks all <3

 

[CorallaroC]

the Vance Creek Ponds have several U-shaped areas...

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Scoutmaster perhaps?

The state's forestry department is blaming unclear state rules -- not errors by loggers or state foresters -- for disputed logging practices conducted during a clearcut at a Boy Scout camp in southwest Washington late last year.

Although not finished with its evaluation of a Seattle P-I consultant's allegations that the Boy Scouts' Pacific Harbor Council's 12-acre November clearcut at Camp Delezenne near Elma violated at least three state forest practices rules, officials for the Department of Natural Resources -- which approved that logging plan -- say that at least one of the claimed violations likely centers on unclear rules.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/402910_delezenne10.html

You may find photos here of the camp:

http://www.doubleknot.com/openrosters/ViewOrgPageLink.asp?LinkKey=37

 

[kageykaren]

SS this could very well be a spot next to a soccer feild as my mind felt "karen its an old ball field, concentrate on Lindsey. No sign for score, bleachers or mesh fence. Soccer grass is right on the money except not worn in. Eyebrows alittle wirey, could have used grooming but I can tell he wouldn't be concerned with dapper grooming more manager or janitorial grooming. Not a rich golfer polo guy. It actuall unerved me while in the moment that he had matching colors on and the olive green shirt was newer and the type of shirt that when you throw in the dryer it comes out perfect. Hair to middle of ears wiry as well strawberry sandy blond turing some color to gray but kind of blending in with the blondes and minimal strawberry color. Anglo saxon for sure! That shirt may have had a button pocket on my left as I looked up from laying ontop of Lindsey, facing the perp and it was difficut from ground level staring up. I didn't tell in my first post as I was taken aback. My mind was saying,"Lay like Lindsey look up at what she sees and I didn't want to but made myself . I was even creeped out having do that while laying on her. For some reason this was very important to her thatI lay like her. She new this man!!!!! if my dream into awaked vision is the best way to descibe the moment. Also this guy was not gross unattarctive, he just needed a bit of spiffing up if going to the Mteropolitan grill for example but didn't appear to be the type to go to those places. Yes he could clean up if he wanted to hang at a casino. I'v got to cook dinner, family thinks I'm on this lap top to much this last week.

 

[CorallaroC]

soccer fields in McCleary & Elma:
Beerbower Park
Elma Elementary
Elma HS
Elma MS
Mary M Knight Elementary
Mary M Knight School 12
Mccleary Elem

 

[scandi]

I wonder if the ORV park at Capitol Forest has a grassy clearing with a loose net hung at the back of it?

Why else would someone hang a loose net besides at a golf driving range?

Could it be on someone's private acreage? Could the even low grass be kept that way by sheep or goats?

There is Highland Golf Course in Cosmopolis and also one in Elma. I thought of calling Highland to see if they knew of any such place like a driving range out in the country but decided they'd think I was a bit bonkers.

ETA: http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/info/ORV/PhotoAlbum20070819/proofSheet.asp?img=zPic095.jpg This is at the ORV Park, and the background gives a similar feeling of trees circling an open grassy area. Bottom left photo on this page #4: http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/info/ORV/PhotoAlbum20070819/proofSheet.asp?page=4

Remember too it is a huge park. This is just the area for dirt biking.

Did we ever hear any more about 'Allen' who was doing the caretaking job there and was let go? Hmmmmmmmmmmm I thought he had a hearing a week or two ago? He might dress in clothes like those and could possibly have access to the park after hours. He would have to have access to the area by car, right?


We need some dear locals to check in.

Just punting here ;}

 

[concentric]

Kagey - I just want you to know that I have had that type of horrible image repeatedly happen to me in the past regarding another matter, and I still can't deal with it.

I admire your bravery to persist in trying to view the perpetrator, and to get more details when you were going through this. All the while, you are seeing that Lindsey was close close to death, and that had to cause you a lot of emotional distress--like you wanted to be there physically to help her, but couldn't.

 

[TamgMit]

Thinking of different types of nets. I could only come up with net that is used for fishing such as gill netting or Sain netting. Or maybe badmittin netting.

 

[scandi]

Thinking of different types of nets. I could only come up with net that is used for fishing such as gill netting or Sain netting. Or maybe badmittin netting.

Hi TamgMit, I thought of badminton or volleyball, but the net wouldn't be at the edge, but more in the middle of the play area.

Maybe a local will know if any of those schools have an area like this. Right now if such a place exists I think it might be on private property. xox

 

[TamgMit]

Hi Scandi. You know today was near a park and noticed that in the back part they had just a reg fence metal and it was like in two spots that had lined near the woods. I guess it was there to protect the youngesters for going in the woods.

 

[TamgMit]

Wow! Karen!! Now that is what I truly call a vision. Extremely detailed and as if you are an unseen bystander in the midst of the actual happening.

Could the area perhaps be a soccer field? With the net and the grass, it seems a logical choice.

I don't know anyone who would take care of an abandoned golf course, but I guess it is possible if a person wanted to go there illegally to hit a few balls. The upkeep would be very difficult without water and a road leading directly to it.

The details of the man in your vision is incredible so I wanted to list them.:

1. Medium waist (slender ?)
2. Dishwater Blonde hair (dirty & strawberry, salt & pepper colored)
3. Clean cut (no facial hair except for 2-3 days stubble)
4. Kahki pants (military olive/army green)
5. Thin leather belt w/dingy metal buckle (ruffed ?)
6. Thin legs (pants hung straight to waist)
7. Brushed cotton, long sleeved shirt (newer, one pocket, cuffs buttoned)
8. Neat dresser (tucking in shirt)
9. Soft brushed leather shoes with 3 eyelets on each side (broken in)
10. Age approximately 35-42 yo
11. Height: Appox. 5' 8"
12. Weight?
13. Distinguishing characteristics: scars, eye color, birthmarks, fingernails, ears, bushy eyebrows, etc.?
14. Hat?
15. Laborer/working class
16. Male
17. Causasion

Was thinking this fella probably didn't want to be seen so maybe choose those colors because they blend in. Familure with the area, wonders if had any piercing or tattoes but probably wouldn't see that with the long shirt. Kind of remind me of how some of the mill workers dress except usually they have darker color pants on.

Get to thinking if you where going to do anything to a young one wouldn't you want to where something dark related to possiblity of getting stains on him from grass, or dirt if she did fight with him. Think khaky pants would show quite a bit so maybe this wasn't a planned thing it just happened.

 

[scandi]

Hi Scandi. You know today was near a park and noticed that in the back part they had just a reg fence metal and it was like in two spots that had lined near the woods. I guess it was there to protect the youngesters for going in the woods.

Looking at lots of photos today I did see a lot of fences too, even wood ones. I also saw many horshoe or oval shaped fields surrounded by trees in the Grays Harbor County area.

Do you know if dreams end up being true it turned out exactly as one saw it or it was deeper than that and they really give out an idea about a scenario? On Medium her dreams are not always exact but have enough in them to finally figure out what happened and then solve the case.

I do think SS's dream was amazing about Robert Manwill. xox

 

[kageykaren]

I found park ranger uiforms after looking at Scout masters uniforms, and Fish and wild life uniforms. I could only find a picture of a female park ranger dressed in full uniform and her name is Mary a Borner if you want to google. This is it! Same color! If someone could post the male version of park ranger uniforms and possible park workers thaat may work from Mc Clearys closest ranger station it would be so helpful. Windsor Olsen helped to bring back the Bear Festival in 1960's. Google him as he is an interesting man! Due to a remark Tuba made about a muddy area when wet would be muddy made me think about Olsens statement describing Mc cleary. " Alittle mud soaked town in the middle of nowhere that would have normally been ignored managed to get big press" This remark was in reference to saving the bears and not making chili with bear meat. Mc Cleary is on the map again only for, "Save the child Lindsey"

 

[TamgMit]

It's kind of interesting how some dreams come to a person and some things stick out more. At first your not sure who it is exactly pertains to and your trying to figure if it is personyou think or maybe someone else. I think it is pretty amazing. SS dream I also wondered if there was a connection to LB also. Wonder if it could of been representing both Robert as well as LB. I kind of like her thinking of who makes deliveries in and out of the Mccleary area. Seems it is a very interesting crowd to say the least. For a small town many people do go through that on daily basis whether to go to Olmpia or go to Maloney or just to work. Leaves a large field to consider.

 

[scandi]

I found park ranger uiforms after looking at Scout masters uniforms, and Fish and wild life uniforms. I could only find a picture of a female park ranger dressed in full uniform and her name is Mary a Borner if you want to google. This is it! Same color! If someone could post the male version of park ranger uniforms and possible park workers thaat may work from Mc Clearys closest ranger station it would be so helpful. Windsor Olsen helped to bring back the Bear Festival in 1960's. Google him as he is an interesting man! Due to a remark Tuba made about a muddy area when wet would be muddy made me think about Olsens statement describing Mc cleary. " Alittle mud soaked town in the middle of nowhere that would have normally been ignored managed to get big press" This remark was in reference to saving the bears and not making chili with bear meat. Mc Cleary is on the map again only for, "Save the child Lindsey"

Well now that's just plumb interesting! It brings me back to the ORV Park at Capitol Forest and James who was doing caretaking work and was let go a couple of weeks after Lindsey went missing. I'd have to check the dates of those posts.

If you take a good look at the ORV park it gets real muddy there, in fact the muddier the better! It won't let me copy/paste the photo but I did link one in particular and then the whole set of them to the dirt biking festival there in '07 in a post this afternoon. xox

 

[kageykaren]

I feel strongly that this clearing is inside a state park as I said it was secluded, you would have to drive further in once in the park. His clothes looked very kept and collar open. Troop 101 Olypia Wa. website has some pics of campgrounds with a forest edge to get a better idea of land. What kind of shoes do park rangers where? Also what is the pattern of ranger stations west, east, heck north and south. I would love an areial pic of those stations and the land around them. This has noting to do with boyscouts.

 

[concentric]

If the grass was manicured as it seemed to be in the dream, could the old net be remnants of a soccer goal?

 

[scandi]

It's kind of interesting how some dreams come to a person and some things stick out more. At first your not sure who it is exactly pertains to and your trying to figure if it is personyou think or maybe someone else. I think it is pretty amazing. SS dream I also wondered if there was a connection to LB also. Wonder if it could of been representing both Robert as well as LB. I kind of like her thinking of who makes deliveries in and out of the Mccleary area. Seems it is a very interesting crowd to say the least. For a small town many people do go through that on daily basis whether to go to Olmpia or go to Maloney or just to work. Leaves a large field to consider.

Yes TamgMit, and that was actually a suggestion from LE, that he would come thru McCleary on a Fri nite.

 

[kageykaren]

Well now that's just plumb interesting! It brings me back to the ORV Park at Capitol Forest and James who was doing caretaking work and was let go a couple of weeks after Lindsey went missing. I'd have to check the dates of those posts.

If you take a good look at the ORV park it gets real muddy there, in fact the muddier the better! It won't let me copy/paste the photo but I did link one in particular and then the whole set of them to the dirt biking festival there in '07 in a post this afternoon. xox

Thanks going to thread. I don't want to jump to conclusions but this idea is so close. <3 <3 <3 times your a lady! xoxo

 

[scandi]

I feel strongly that this clearing is inside a state park as I said it was secluded, you would have to drive further in once in the park. His clothes looked very kept and collar open. Troop 101 Olypia Wa. website has some pics of campgrounds with a forest edge to get a better idea of land. What kind of shoes do park rangers where? Also what is the pattern of ranger stations west, east, heck north and south. I would love an areial pic of those stations and the land around them. This has noting to do with boyscouts.

Again, Capitol Forest IMO as it is so close to McCleary. I also think it might not be a uniform he wore for work but a look he liked if he was going out for some action on a Fri nite. State or County campgrounds or parks also hire people who are like rangers.

The UPS idea fits good. I don't know if park rangers wear uniforms on the job unless they are with the Mounties up in Canada. LOL and IMO


EAT: Link of ORV Park photos of dirt biking.

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/info/ORV/PhotoAlbum20070819/proofSheet.asp?page=4

Here is a good photo: http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/info/ORV/PhotoAlbum20070819/proofSheet.asp?img=zPic095.jpg