Drew Peterson's Trial *THIRD WEEK*

[fifteen89]

I have tried hard this weekend to try to slip and fall in my whirlpool tub. I can tell you this much; it's darn near impossible to hit your head without bracing yourself with your arms.

Not only that, you naturally use precaution when stepping into a tub. When entering it, you have to enter one foot at a time. You also naturally use one hand at a time to grab something when entering. This helps you KEEP your balance, not lose it.

Had KS slipped, one leg/foot would have been OUTSIDE of the tub, making it IMPOSSIBLE for her entire body to end up in the tub.

I really have taken an about face here and feel DP is going down.

And how many bruises were found on those arms that she would have tried to brace herself with as she "slipped and fell"?

 

[Kimster]

There's a new thread ready for the morning. LaLaw2000, this post is for YOU!

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[LaLaw2000]

I asked my step dad about this, he's retired LE and retired as chief of police (within IL, but not in Will). He said there is no protocal in Illinois requiring an investigation be handled outside the department, nor is there a specific agency or heirarchy of which outside agency should be contacted if an outside agency is sought.


I'm just curious why they chose the ISP, as opposed to Will county or requesting Cook County.... or what other outside agency they could have chosen, when they apparently could have chosen any.

Hi, Cubby!

I am just now catching up but wanted to comment. Here in the state of Louisiana, our local police departments cannot investigate one of their own. The Louisiana State Police are called in to investigate. That goes for all Sheriff's Departments as well. It is always LSP.

State Police are trained in many areas, not just patrolling our highways. LSP runs our state crime lab. They investigate our LE all over the state whenever outside investigations of other LE is needed. As I stated, our LE cannot investigate inside their own departments for any major crimes or indications of wrongdoing by one of their own.

MOO

 

[AbbieNormal]

Well, found another son of DP's. He was a busy guy....what's that make, 6 kids from 4 different women? This article is from 2010.


A son from Drew Peterson's first marriage testified against his own father today. Eric Peterson described witnessing a 1993 incident in which his father dragged his third wife, Kathleen Savio, into the house, according to reports from the courthouse.

Peterson, a former Illinois police officer has been charged with killing Savio, whose body was found in a bathtub in 2004.

"She was screaming for help," Eric Peterson, said according to The Associated Press. Peterson also said Savio had been drunk at the time. "He was pulling her down the stairs."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/drew-petersons-stepbrother-testifies/story?id=9625025

He had 6 kids w/ 3 women, 2 apiece. IIRC, Lacey is his only girl (Stacy's daughter) One of his marriages produced no children, can't remember if it was #1 or #2.

 

[AbbieNormal]

thinking about the sequence of events....

I suppose if she inhaled the water from the toilet it was a few feet to the tub. How many minutes might it have taken to move her from the toilet to the tub? Her heart might have still been beating. He may have placed her in the tub and checked for a pulse, felt one and then knocked her upside the head while she was in the tub.

I'm sure those few minutes felt like hours..... and he probably wanted to get out of there as quickly as possible knowing the longer he was inside the home the greater the chance of getting caught.


I'm still not convinced the sequence of events is a must to convict. I think proving this was a murder, even if some of the sequence is unknown is most important.

I am 101% sure DP did not leave that house until he was dang sure she was dead. He didn't need a witness against him..

 

[LaLaw2000]

My thought exactly, and maybe why he didn't have it pulled when entering the house during the "emergency".

This is a big red flag to me. If DP did not know what caused the neighbor to scream, he would have pulled his weapon and run toward the sound of the scream. It would have been a natural reflex for a veteran police officer, IMO. There could have been an intruder holding a gun on them for all he knew. BUT DP knew the scream was in reaction to seeing Kathleen lying naked, dead in the tub. THAT is why he did not pull his weapon, IMO.

 

[AbbieNormal]

Poor guy. His dad has really had a tuff time with his marriages, hasn't he? I guess he thinks that Stacy took off with her new guy.

And the dish ran away with the spoon.

Maybe someday the veil will be lifted, and the kids will know the truth about their father.

 

[borndem]

thinking about the sequence of events....

I suppose if she inhaled the water from the toilet it was a few feet to the tub. How many minutes might it have taken to move her from the toilet to the tub? Her heart might have still been beating. He may have placed her in the tub and checked for a pulse, felt one and then knocked her upside the head while she was in the tub.

I'm sure those few minutes felt like hours..... and he probably wanted to get out of there as quickly as possible knowing the longer he was inside the home the greater the chance of getting caught.


I'm still not convinced the sequence of events is a must to convict. I think proving this was a murder, even if some of the sequence is unknown is most important.

I totally agree, Cubby -- I don't know whether the PT will try to put together a murder scenario in their C/A, but I'm sure they feel that that would be a nice, tidy thing to put in front of the jury. And in many trials I've seen, the LE chief investigator will be put on the stand, often the last witness, to tie it all up with a bow, and often to end with the word, "homicide." And often the chief is the one with 15-20 years homicide investigation under his/her belt. Well, hmmmm... None of those "often" occurrences here, huh??:dunno:

And usually, it is the DT who has an investigator -- and this DT probably does; the PT isn't supposed to need one since they have the LEO's to make that part of the case, :notgood: but these investigators didn't even think a crime was committed, :doh:so oh, well.:sigh:

 

[panthera]

This is a big red flag to me. If DP did not know what caused the neighbor to scream, he would have pulled his weapon and run toward the sound of the scream. It would have been a natural reflex for a veteran police officer, IMO. There could have been an intruder holding a gun on them for all he knew. BUT DP knew the scream was in reaction to seeing Kathleen lying naked, dead in the tub. THAT is why he did not pull his weapon, IMO.

Again, no veteran LE officer would have sent a neighbor into a house to begin with! This was to check on someone he allegedly had been calling for hours with no response. It should have been treated as an emergency and proper protocol followed. Yes, a huge red flag!!! He knew exactly what she was walking in to.

MOO

 

[LaLaw2000]

There's a new thread ready for the morning. LaLaw2000, this post is for YOU!

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Thanks so much, Kimster!!!

 

[WindyCityGirl]

but even if she didn't, wouldn't there have been blood everywhere from a head gash? That to me is and always will be a big red flag.....I have seen people who have hit their head and the amount of blood is stunning. It doesn't make any sense to me that there wasn't blood on the floor, on the tiles--somewhere.....
That to me says that it was staged.....she was killed and put in the bathtub. I never have believed that she was murdered in the tub.

Hi...not sure if this has been answered yet but the only time I have ever had a bleed at death is if the patient was hemmorraging internally or severe wounds. But they do all loose complete control of bowel and bladder so all these contents would be readily noticable visually and by smell. There is nothing that can equate to the "death smell". jmo...sweets

 

[katydid23]

So this thread will close soon, as we prepare for next weeks testimony. Let us all take the time to see next week going better for the state. I can see them coming in all positive and confident and prepared to do battle. All they need is one or two more great witnesses. When you think back to some of what the jury has already heard, and you imagine what many of them already know, and you add a few more important pieces of evidence, this case is WINNABLE. Amen.

 

[LaLaw2000]

I am just so sick at heart at how this trial is going. This is their ONE shot at trying DP for Kathleen's murder and they are screwing up. If it is blown this time, that's it.

The defense team is slimy and underhanded (IMO), and the judge is defense oriented. The flow of testimony is so interrupted that I hope the jurors have taken comprehensive notes or they will never be able to put it altogether.

Since this is a circumstantial case, I can just hear a juror being interviewed at the end of the trial saying, "We all felt he was guilty, but we could not convict on suspicion and that was all we had." Or, "We felt the prosecution did not prove that Drew Peterson murdered Kathleen Savio." I have heard some juror's post-trial interviews state just that type of things.

I am hoping that the prosecution gets it together in the rest of the trial. If the 'hit' is allowed in, then there is hope. That is IF one of the prosecution does not blow that testimony also.

There had better be one heck of a closing by the prosecution (worthy of an Oscar), or DP is not going to be convicted, IMO.

I wish I could be more hopeful, but I cannot be.

BTW, I am also one who feels Kathleen was drowned in the commode. DP is definately a sadist of the worst kind.

MOO's

 

[LaLaw2000]

So this thread will close soon, as we prepare for next weeks testimony. Let us all take the time to see next week going better for the state. I can see them coming in all positive and confident and prepared to do battle. All they need is one or two more great witnesses. When you think back to some of what the jury has already heard, and you imagine what many of them already know, and you add a few more important pieces of evidence, this case is WINNABLE. Amen.

Thank you for this, katydid23. I needed to hear it!

With the 3 day weekends they should all be refreshed somewhat. I do hope they have all looked at their mistakes and vowed there will be no more.

 

[katydid23]

Thank you for this, katydid23. I needed to hear it!

With the 3 day weekends they should all be refreshed somewhat. I do hope they have all looked at their mistakes and vowed there will be no more.

raying:raying:raying:raying:raying:

 

[panthera]

raying:raying:raying:raying:raying:

raying: also!!!


Good night everyone! :seeya:

 

[Cubby]

Thank you for this, katydid23. I needed to hear it!

With the 3 day weekends they should all be refreshed somewhat. I do hope they have all looked at their mistakes and vowed there will be no more.

I don't know that they all have 3 day weekends. I think Monday was left open for other cases on the docket.

 

[sweets]

but even if she didn't, wouldn't there have been blood everywhere from a head gash? That to me is and always will be a big red flag.....I have seen people who have hit their head and the amount of blood is stunning. It doesn't make any sense to me that there wasn't blood on the floor, on the tiles--somewhere.....
That to me says that it was staged.....she was killed and put in the bathtub. I never have believed that she was murdered in the tub.

Yes head wounds do bleed a lot however KS's head wound is not as severe as the defense would like for us to believe but it would still bleed profusely. I agree with you about all you said . I think it was staged, she was killed elsewhere and placed in the tub by DP imo. I think most of the blood would have been in the bathroom and DP had to clean all that up but I do not think there would have been a large amt. of splatter. IMO, this is the main reason he took all her clothes and whatever else he used to clean with home and he put it all in the washer. All jmo...sweets

 

[Leila]

I am kind of relieved. Because maybe that will keep him off the stand for the defense as well. It seems like he would say anything they wanted him to, since he loved DP so much.

That was my thought too. During those weeks and months after Stacy disappeared, Steve Carcerano was just about the only person who had anything good to say about DP and he made it a point to say what a wonderful person DP was.

I have the feeling that he would say anything to help get his best buddy acquitted. So, I hope he doesn't testify!

 

[Leila]

Oh, looky looky. Just found this..... not sure if it is already posted.

http://www.dupagemugshots.com/Mugshots/Steven_carcerano/4120-993217a3dbee722b78c2f7a44339af24

Booked 03/28/2012 One Steve Carcerano for domestic battery. Not sure about the reliability of the link.... I haven't cross checked yet, but if this is true it would probably mean Steve Carcerano's credibility as a witness in this case is shot. No pun intented.

Great catch!