Drew Peterson's Trial *THIRD WEEK*

[ohiogirl]

This was no slip and fall accidental drowning.

Shhh, you are not allowed to say slip and fall. It is against the rules.:maddening:

 

[CarolinaMoon]

Sorry I'm so out of the loop but is the original medical examiner still around to explain his findings, if one can call them that?

The ME who did the original autopsy died at age 44 of cancer in 2010.

 

[WindyCityGirl]

think that she was slammed against a wall and fell to the ground bruising her buttocks? If the head shows a blunt force trauma, what would be a possible scenario for the head injury and the backside?
I am just having trouble visualizing the possible sequence of events and would be interested top know others conjectures on that subject.
I also would love to know how precisely this expert thinks that it happened

 

[CarolinaMoon]

I'm thinking that the judge's last little temper tantrum about how the injuries COULD have been sustained goes all to the prosecution here. It proves to me that he is forcing them to tow such a narrow line in the evidence that even a medical examiner cannot explain how injuries could be sustained! The jury should be, at this point, seeing that any word against the theory of the case is taboo. Fact is, ME testified that the injuries were recent and pre-mortem with an hour, give-or-take. If Kathleen couldn't have sustained the injuries falling in or into the tub, one surely has to suspect rough treatment and dumping into a DRY tub.

If Stacy's minister gets to testify to what he was told, we have a winner of a case.

Maybe...

 

[Wishbone]

The ME who did the original autopsy died at age 44 of cancer in 2010.

Thanks for bringing me up to speed on that. I wonder if some qualified whatever for defense is going to review the results from that autopsy? Someone has got to explain to us why it was ruled an accident and whether or not she had all those bruises, abrasions and contusions..........

 

[-MD-]

It sure sounds like she was beaten and bruised in a period of time before her death. I'm thinking she may have been drowned in the toilet and dumped in the tub still alive enough to flex her feet and try to get up.

What I was saying a few pages back. With this testimony it seems plausible, IMO.

I HOPE the state can make it through the rest of this testimony with no mistakes. This is POWERFUL testimony for Kathleen imo.

Agreed, please stay the course pro's

 

[katydid23]

think that she was slammed against a wall and fell to the ground bruising her buttocks? If the head shows a blunt force trauma, what would be a possible scenario for the head injury and the backside?
I am just having trouble visualizing the possible sequence of events and would be interested top know others conjectures on that subject.
I also would love to know how precisely this expert thinks that it happened

He may have hit her on the head first to stun her, then threw her into the tub, landing on her bottom, and she struggled, causing more bruises. The shins are interesting though. And the hand. I think the hand was a defensive wound of some kind.

 

[smokey]

after the last side-bar the judge said this to jury...Judge to jurors: “The doctor mentioned someone stepping out of a bathtub and slipping on the tile floor. You’re to disregard that entirely.”

i believe whoever is sending posts to FB missed it in testimony

 

[panthera]

He may have hit her on the head first to stun her, then threw her into the tub, landing on her bottom, and she struggled, causing more bruises. The shins are interesting though. And the hand. I think the hand was a defensive wound of some kind.

My belief is more toward him striking her with something, perhaps his baton, immersing her head in the toilet bowl (drowning) then putting her body in the tub on her left side so as to conceal the bruising.

MOO

 

[wishinuall]

think that she was slammed against a wall and fell to the ground bruising her buttocks? If the head shows a blunt force trauma, what would be a possible scenario for the head injury and the backside?
I am just having trouble visualizing the possible sequence of events and would be interested top know others conjectures on that subject.
I also would love to know how precisely this expert thinks that it happened

Someone brought up the staircase earlier. As I've been trying to catch up with the testimony, I have envisioned Kathleen, having poured her oj & started her tea, IN THE MORNING (?), once again found herself caught off guard by DP & perhaps tried to get up the stairs to her room where she could deadbolt her door against him. With all the bruises on the front of her body & their locations I could see how being caught on the stairs could cause several of those. Then in her struggle to get away from him maybe flipped over on her back to kick/protect herself. If she were somewhat dragged down some of the stairs I believe that cold cause some of the abrasions? This toilet bowl drowning theory makes all the sense in the world to me. At any rate, whatever happened had to be dreadfully terrifying & took some time that must have felt like an eternity for her. I am beyond angry at how very many people have been involved in this farce of an 'accidental' drowning! I seriously get so mad I have to walk away from my computer & clear my head. Seems now this trial is every bit as guilty Drew Peterson himself in bringing every bit as much humiliation, pain & disregard for her life & death. Sorry, it was time for me to vent & air out some thoughts here!

 

[LEFT-COASTER]

Not knowing where exactly the abrasion is on her back side, makes me wonder if its like a carpet burn .. wonder if they would be able to tell that from a differant kind of abrasion.... hmmm
i was thinking mabe she was dragged

 

[katydid23]

Brodsky "the cross is as important or more important than direct, don't make any assumptions on Blum's testimony yet" #DrewPeterson

LOOKS LIKE BRODSKY IS NERVOUS ABOUT THIS WITNESS...

 

[katydid23]

Lopez: "he [ #DrewPeterson ] doesn't want the public to think he's running away scared." (via twitter]

 

[katydid23]

The above are new tweets from the page I was watching today. I don't know where or when Lopez and Brodsky made these statements though.

http://www.chathousenews.com/2012/07/drew-peterson-live-trial-updates-via.html

 

[atthelake]

Correction/update note: I have been corrected by someone that was at the trial who says that the doctor did say getting out of the tub.........sorry!!!!!!!!! Deleting post!

 

[LambChop]

There was a towel on the tub so how was she able to slip and fall getting out of the tub without disturbing anything and end up curled up in the fetal position. jmo

 

[wishinuall]

OMG! Color me dense! I hadn't even put that together but you are so right! And I'm beyond livid with you!

 

[WindyCityGirl]

(that is with a fist) or is it indicative of a sharp instrument? I haven't heard anything said about that...except that there was some info that it wasn't a deep wound and it was narrow (knife?)

He may have hit her on the head first to stun her, then threw her into the tub, landing on her bottom, and she struggled, causing more bruises. The shins are interesting though. And the hand. I think the hand was a defensive wound of some kind.

 

[katydid23]

My belief is more toward him striking her with something, perhaps his baton, immersing her head in the toilet bowl (drowning) then putting her body in the tub on her left side so as to conceal the bruising.

MOO

Sounds about right. And at some point, imo, he must have grabbed her and dragged her by her shins, to account for those fresh bruises. Maybe he did drag her up the stairs, as someone mentioned.

 

[katydid23]

(that is with a fist) or is it indicative of a sharp instrument? I haven't heard anything said about that...except that there was some info that it wasn't a deep wound and it was narrow (knife?)

I heard somewhere a suggestion he used his baton.