Elizabeth Johnson Trial - Day 6 - 5th Day of Prosecution's Case - Monday, Oct 1

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Louis Chavez, mexican born - came to us 1981 - citizen in 1996 - works at Tornado bus company as Assistant Mgr in San Antonio - his wife is his manager. He worked there 18 yrs. His grandson works there too - started 4 yrs ago - David Lopez he was 18 yrs @ time. On 12/27/09, EJ came in and purchased bus ticket - Louis was not there @ that moment - David sold her the ticket. Another co-worker Gondino Gonzales - refuses to sell anglo people tickets - doesn't speak English and doesn't know how to answer questions so asked David to sell the ticket. Tornado bus company founded in 1980's by Louis' wife family with one van . . . sold tickets to (?) mexico. They had 14 vans, then regulations changed so they purchased used buses . . .they are located 1719 Hwy 35. Mostly Hispanic people serviced . . . Gonzales refused to sell to Anglo (white) people. They do care what color people are. At some point FBI or LE came to Tornado Bus Co., came over next day - Spec. Agent Flores came with Hector (Morales) not sure of last name. They showed colored pamphlet - saw photo of female he recognized her immediately. Easy to remember someone who not Hispanic - an Anglo - they remember. Louis saw her when he came to the office . . . special agents asked him to look up ticket and roster. They keep a record for everyday for 5 years . . . they always keep these records as part of their business. Exhibit #132 - copy of ticket sold to Elizabeth Jones (Jones is name she gave). The record they keep for the passengers in handwriting. . . ticket sold to Elizabeth Jones. Exhibits #132 & 133 admitted - permit to publish. Showing ticket #266022 to jury . . . first line name . . .computer printing . . . nombre means name of passenger . . . Elizabeth Jones - destination- San Antonio to Ft Lauderdale FL, date - ticket # . date ticket was sold. 12/27/09, another word is supposed to be who sold ticket but it just shows date. Corrida means route number (like on planes they are called flight) route #938. 12:00 noon - connection @ 187B - another route that starts in Houston, Tx, @ 7:00 pm. Next line - price $180.00. . . . seat #21, San Antonio bus - connection bus 187B Houston connection she had same seat. List of passengers on list . . . ticket # and name - destination and price. #266022 ticket is Elizabeth Jones to Ft. Lauderdale, FL for $180. The bus was delayed 1 hr that day . . . bus actually left around 1:00 THAT DATE. He identified EJ in pink blouse. No further questions. . . .Defense Atty asks - what times did he arrive @ Tornado Bus Station around 11:00 . . . he doesn't have a regular time to get to work . . he is Asst. Mgr and his wife is Mgr - they get there when they can as they have other things to do. Later on they asked people who sold ticket said EJ arrived around 10:00 - David (his Grandson) who speaks English. She arrived @ Tornado bus station around 10:00 on 12/27. Defense Atty reiterates time and date, and bus leaving 1 hr late . . . .something he noticed "the beauty" - she was attractive, and he noticed she was so calm. . . she was sitting alone, no baby . . . if there had been baby Louis would have noticed her. She was sitting on couch by herself . . .not reading . . . she was just calm and speaking with no one. Louis saw her board the bus around 1:00 (he was watching thru windows from inside) . . . observed her from 11:00 - 1:00 when she left. She never left the bus station at any time during those two hours - never had a baby with her - never got on the bus with a baby.

Re-direct - Did the passengers know the bus would be late? We always tell them if bus going to be late as best as we can. . . we didn't have GPS @ the time like we do now?

A question coming from the Jury . . .counsel approaches

Judge asks question . . . how was the ticket paid for cash, check, credit card, or some other way? He said cash - they didn't accept any other payment.

Witness excused. . . .

Lunch hour til 1:30
 
Great 35 min of testimony, this is stupid!!
 
Judge explains they were late today they were discussing how much myspace stuff could come in . . . State is going to admit them thru Det. Thompson . . . Judge told the Atty's to come to an agreement but Judge will make a determination if they cannot resolve it. . . .come back by 1:20 or 1:25 to discuss how they will handle it and go from there.
 
Soooo- EJ rolls into the Tornado bus station at 10 am- so what happened to the hand-off in the park?
 
From Feb 2011


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Elizabeth's account of the handoff to friends of Tammi Smith comes from an interview on 1/14/2010. Her attorneys were present. (docs, part 2, p 74)

Her first story was that the handoff was either Saturday or Sunday, she's not sure, but it took place at 1:00 p.m. After the handoff, she went back to the hotel to pack. When she went to the bus station, she bought a ticket, but realized that the bus was late, so then went to Target and TJMax. Then, back to catch the bus.

The investigator's notes show that everyone took a break at this point, due to a discrepency with their own information. After the break, Elizabeth fixed the handoff at 10:00 a.m. on Sunday.

Only when confronted with the impossibility of her initial statement did EJ give a date and time which would "fit" with what could already be proved.


So her new story is the handoff at 10:00 a.m., back to the hotel to pack, on to the Tornado bus station to buy a ticket, off to the after-Christmas sales and back to the bus station.

People who are caught in a lie may eventually tell the truth or maybe they just tell a new lie.

MOO
 
Soooo- EJ rolls into the Tornado bus station at 10 am- so what happened to the hand-off in the park?

Guess EJ didn't make it, and that's why there was that flurry of phone calls from TPS & JS - they were trying to find her!
 
Guess EJ didn't make it, and that's why there was that flurry of phone calls from TPS & JS - they were trying to find her!

Totally makes sense..if this is true than the baby could be possibly alive
 
Totally makes sense..if this is true than the baby could be possibly alive

Jack called his son several times around 10 am. He testified in the other trial that it was because he was trying to arrange with his son to get EJ set up in Nashville.

So why were those phone calls at the time that EJ was supposed to have handed Gabriel off at the park to get EJ settled in Nashville if they thought EJ had disappeared?
 
This question may have already been asked but I don't remember seeing it as I have not followed this case that closely. Where did EJ get all her money if she was not working???
 
I am all confused now. Can someone explain this thing about phone calls + bus station + Gabriel being handed over to strangers in the park?
 
From Gabriel Johnson's WS timeline forum:

Sun
Tempe PD request for Amber Alert denied
EJ calls friend SS
EJ seen shopping without Gabe
10am Elizabeth Hands Off Gabe
Elizabeth sends text to Smiths
LE learns EJ is in San Antonio
Tammi texts Logan to relinquish his righ (...)
Elizabeth sends text to Logan
Elizabeth boards bus to Ft Lauderdale
Tempe Police contact Elizabeth
Police search Smith's Home
1:05pm Logan notifies Tempe PD of threat (...)




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I am all confused now. Can someone explain this thing about phone calls + bus station + Gabriel being handed over to strangers in the park?


EJ said she gave Gabriel to a couple in the park about 10 am - at the time she was actually buying a bus ticket.

Testimony in Tammi's trial was that TPS & JS were both making a bunch of phone calls about 10 am - at the time the handoff at the park was supposed to be made.

If TPS hadn't arranged for a handoff at the park at 10 am, was it just coincidence that the Smiths started making frantic phone calls to find EJ at the same time?
 
And, I heard through the grapevine, that about 10 am TPS was calling people saying "she's running, she's running - EJ has Gabriel and she's running"....

How did she know that, unless TPS had arranged for EJ to be at that park at 10 and didn't show????
 
Wow! I'm gone all day for a doctor's appointment and end up missing TWO witnesses??? Let's hope this doesn't keep happening!

I'm very interesting to hear the Myspace testimony. I hope the judge rules for the prosecution as much as possible.

Oh, HI! everybody!
 
And why did TPS think that she could still get Gabriel back AFTER EJ was arrested in FL, since the phone call to Judge McVey asking him to give them Gabriel was made on January 4, 2010?
 

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