Emirates airlines crash lands at Dubai

[gregjrichards]

Just heard on the news a fire fighter has died. May he Rest In Peace. It is a miracle the passengers and crew survived and without serious injury. I read on the Daily Mail article it was a landing gear fault. It is amazing the plane was evacuated in 45 seconds.

 

[Dockins]

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here is a go around. When my mother and I would go plane watching at the runways - they actually are breathtaking - if your not on the plane!

In the old days engines were much much louder -more unreal


[video=youtube;_J3g4y4_jWQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J3g4y4_jWQ[/video]

The airport in Westchester County, NY gets a lot of go arounds because the runway lights aren't on after a certain time, and the planes have to hit a button to make them come on during approach. I've seen several where planes are arriving after another just landed, but the timed lights go off from the first plane landing. So, the second plane has to abort the landing and fly back around and hit the switch to turn the runway lights on. It's quite a sight, especially if the lights go off when the plane is low.

 

[gregjrichards]

This link shows the chaos on the plane during the evacuation people were trying to get their luggage from the overhead compartments http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...irates-Airline-passenger-jet-crash-lands.html

 

[CARIIS]

Just my opinion, I think this is a wind shear accident at this point. I do not think there was anything wrong with the landing gear, I think wind shear got him, he retracted, but the shear cut him off from getting airborne, and the gear was retracting, so there was no landing gear omo

Mind numbing to me - takes my breath away, you might end up one legged, in the hosipital with first degree burns, burned to death, but you get your luggage from the overhead that has your laptop, your notepad, your cell phone, your charging equpiment out before you leave.

Both hands are really good when your trying to flee a 777 that just crashed - but you put one hand out of play to film it and post it

sad sad sad imo

I lost the link, hold on, its from inside jeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

All of em are not moving, they are going in the overheads and getting thier sh#t. Unreal to me- 35 years ago all we would see is people running and going for the exits

found it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnEvy29q_8E

 

[Dockins]

This link shows the chaos on the plane during the evacuation people were trying to get their luggage from the overhead compartments http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...irates-Airline-passenger-jet-crash-lands.html

I knew there would be idiots doing this. Unbelievable, yet predictable.

 

[Dockins]

Just my opinion, I think this is a wind shear accident at this point. I do not think there was anything wrong with the landing gear, I think wind shear got him, he retracted, but the shear cut him off from getting airborne, and the gear was retracting, so there was no landing gear omo

Mind numbing to me - takes my breath away, you might end up one legged, in the hosipital with first degree burns, burned to death, but you get your luggage from the overhead that has your laptop, your notepad, your cell phone, your charging equpiment out before you leave.

Both hands are really good when your trying to flee a 777 that just crashed - but you put one hand out of play to film it and post it

sad sad sad imo

I lost the link, hold on, its from inside jeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

All of em are not moving, they are going in the overheads and getting thier sh#t. Unreal to me- 35 years ago all we would see is people running and going for the exits

found it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnEvy29q_8E

Do you think the wing hit the ground and ignited the fire?

 

[CARIIS]

Do you think the wing hit the ground and ignited the fire?

From the video , it was not on fire. Lets say the evac took two min after started, add 60 secs to open slides inflate.

On this video you can see the slides already out, noone around, smoldering from the ground slide, but no flames!

I do not think she was ever on fire in the air moo. Flus we have to include the ground slide - so lets say it was like no flames for 4 minutes from the beginning of accident sequence moo

[video=youtube;nVhRLKUjl5Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVhRLKUjl5Y[/video]

 

[gregjrichards]

Just my opinion, I think this is a wind shear accident at this point. I do not think there was anything wrong with the landing gear, I think wind shear got him, he retracted, but the shear cut him off from getting airborne, and the gear was retracting, so there was no landing gear omo

Mind numbing to me - takes my breath away, you might end up one legged, in the hosipital with first degree burns, burned to death, but you get your luggage from the overhead that has your laptop, your notepad, your cell phone, your charging equpiment out before you leave.

Both hands are really good when your trying to flee a 777 that just crashed - but you put one hand out of play to film it and post it

sad sad sad imo

I lost the link, hold on, its from inside jeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

All of em are not moving, they are going in the overheads and getting thier sh#t. Unreal to me- 35 years ago all we would see is people running and going for the exits

found it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnEvy29q_8E

It's baffling isn't it it seems like people don't have common sense anymore I'm actually surprised nobody did Snapchat or Facebook live during it. Or a selfie going down the emergency shute or with the plane on fire. These people could have died all for the sake of a cabin bag full of easily replaceable stuff. I hope they look at the video of the plane on fire and realise how extremely lucky they are and how idiotic they have been.

 

[CARIIS]

It's baffling isn't it it seems like people don't have common sense anymore I'm actually surprised nobody did Snapchat or Facebook live during it. Or a selfie going down the emergency shute or with the plane on fire. These people could have died all for the sake of a cabin bag full of easily replaceable stuff. I hope they look at the video of the plane on fire and realise how extremely lucky they are and how idiotic they have been.

It totally blew me away also Greg! And I was amazed I did not hear others yelling GO forget your stuff- it was almost as if group think took over, and everyone felt like it OK to deplane in normal way.

How could that be? Just the smells would be awful. Cabin crew were amazing huh!!

 

[CARIIS]

ATC tape for the flight

[video=youtube;94VPOXc2bEM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94VPOXc2bEM&list=PLtaF_Z6fJbLf6NCDf-e9g6S_WIan0FFH4&index=3[/video]


There was wind shear alert- for several hours :[FONT=&amp]

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[FONT=&amp]08:00 UTC / 12:00 local time:[/FONT]
OMDB 030900Z 11021KT 3000 BLDU NSC 49/07 Q0993 WS ALL RWY TEMPO 35015KT 1500
[FONT=&amp]Wind 110 degrees at 21 knots; visibillity 3000 m; blowing dust; No significant cloud; Temperature 49°C; Dew point 7°C; wind shear all runways; temporary wind 350° at 15 knots; 1500 m visibility.


[/FONT][FONT=&amp]09:00 UTC / 13:00 local time:
OMDB 030800Z 14012KT 100V180 6000 NSC 48/09 Q0994 WS ALL RWY TEMPO 35015KT 4000 DU
Wind 140 degrees at 12 knots; visibility 6000 m; No significant cloud; Temperature 48°C; Dew point 7°C; wind shear all runways; temporary wind 350° at 15 knots; 400 m visibility in dust.

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[watcher9]

This link shows the chaos on the plane during the evacuation people were trying to get their luggage from the overhead compartments http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...irates-Airline-passenger-jet-crash-lands.html

Three statements that stood out in your link, which was very informative by the way, are listed below. Of note was smoke coming from plane before it came down (also heard on tv about a smoke filled cockpit and emergency declared), and the word "amid" was used which sounds like the pilot had to declare an emergency along with problem with the landing gear.

> Other witnesses said they saw smoke coming from the plane before it touched down at the world's busiest airport while one expert has suggested the extreme 50C weather today may have been a factor in the crash and there were reports of powerful gusts of wind at the time.

> The captain is believed to have sent out and emergency signal in the moments before the plane was preparing to land.

> Passengers evacuated from the plane said that minutes before the flight crash-landed at Dubai airport, the pilot made an announcement that he needed to make an emergency landing amid problems with the landing gear.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-passenger-jet-crash-lands.html#ixzz4GKXKoNIR
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[CARIIS]

Three statements that stood out in your link, which was very informative by the way, are listed below. Of note was smoke coming from plane before it came down (also heard on tv about a smoke filled cockpit and emergency declared), and the word "amid" was used which sounds like the pilot had to declare an emergency along with problem with the landing gear.

> Other witnesses said they saw smoke coming from the plane before it touched down at the world's busiest airport while one expert has suggested the extreme 50C weather today may have been a factor in the crash and there were reports of powerful gusts of wind at the time.

> The captain is believed to have sent out and emergency signal in the moments before the plane was preparing to land.

> Passengers evacuated from the plane said that minutes before the flight crash-landed at Dubai airport, the pilot made an announcement that he needed to make an emergency landing amid problems with the landing gear.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-passenger-jet-crash-lands.html#ixzz4GKXKoNIR
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What IMO, that is unique, or under reported thus far is you can hear ATC direct the go around - not the pilot. I kinda think the tower got a windshear alert (microburst?) OR maybe the go around was ordered because they noticed the gear was not extended?

Mentally tho it would seem , in terms of pilot reaction sequence, being told to go around, as oppossed to realizing that you had better start one yourself would result in some delay- mentally, jmo

It is really busy airport - so I am not sure ATC really have the luxury of visually watching landings!

So it seems , at this point , the only real thing we have is the plane was ordered to abort the landing.

"Emerites 521 go around climb 4000" so that does change stuff.


This plane has the same thing as MAL370 - a real quick read out recorder, so they should be able to know some basics pretty quickly.

The evac video is about 180 seconds - so the 45 seconds deal is false

The report that he made an annoucement regarding the landing gear seems to be fading.

The real question it seems IMO at this point is why did they not execute a safe go around - it happens 100's of times per day.



moo

Aftermath - they cost about $350 million dollars each

A-380 in background (left - they will run you about $432 million for one!) - notice she has two stories!! Amazing no??

The one on the right is similiar as crashed one - look at the size differences



https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=cost of 777-300

more than 100 Boeing 777-300ERs,

 

[MzOpinion8d]

It's baffling isn't it it seems like people don't have common sense anymore I'm actually surprised nobody did Snapchat or Facebook live during it. Or a selfie going down the emergency shute or with the plane on fire. These people could have died all for the sake of a cabin bag full of easily replaceable stuff. I hope they look at the video of the plane on fire and realise how extremely lucky they are and how idiotic they have been.

O/T but on reddit today I saw pics of a man who did a dog ears filter on a man in a coffin, followed by a face swap.....

 

[emirates1957]

I am only just catching up with this. The talk on the street is this could possibly be pilot error. News advised that they were going to abort the landing, re configure and go around, to sort out the problem. They may have had a warning that indicated that they had no "gear" ....this could have been interpreted as a false warning, believing they had all gear down. A pilot should never get into the position will I or wont abort a landing. Will speak to some of my mates at EK and see what I can dig up.

 

[emirates1957]

Waiting for them to get it together HA! There was something (it was on the background and I did not catch it all) but it sounded as if they tried to do a go around and could not?????

If I got that heard correctly, that has some implications here -- do you think?

I also wonder if they did some circling to burn off fuel but have not heard that have you yet?



It looked like there was no fire at all (hot metal from runway) until evac over and then the fuel tanks igninted - pretty amazing machine huh??

If I have the story correct if they were arriving into DXB - they would have little fuel left. Thanks for starting the thread CARIIS.

 

[emirates1957]

This link shows the chaos on the plane during the evacuation people were trying to get their luggage from the overhead compartments http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...irates-Airline-passenger-jet-crash-lands.html

Amazing how everybody goes to grab their luggage the crew would be yelling drills......evacuate, evacuate, unfasten seat belts LEAVE EVERYTHING BEHIND GET OUT I have seen passengers strap bum bags around the top of their legs in order not to loose it.....doesn't help if your in an emergency.

 

[emirates1957]

ATC tape for the flight

[video=youtube;94VPOXc2bEM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94VPOXc2bEM&list=PLtaF_Z6fJbLf6NCDf-e9g6S_WIan0FFH4&index=3[/video]


There was wind shear alert- for several hours :[FONT=&]

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OMDB 030900Z 11021KT 3000 BLDU NSC 49/07 Q0993 WS ALL RWY TEMPO 35015KT 1500
[FONT=&]Wind 110 degrees at 21 knots; visibillity 3000 m; blowing dust; No significant cloud; Temperature 49°C; Dew point 7°C; wind shear all runways; temporary wind 350° at 15 knots; 1500 m visibility.


[/FONT][FONT=&]09:00 UTC / 13:00 local time:
OMDB 030800Z 14012KT 100V180 6000 NSC 48/09 Q0994 WS ALL RWY TEMPO 35015KT 4000 DU
Wind 140 degrees at 12 knots; visibility 6000 m; No significant cloud; Temperature 48°C; Dew point 7°C; wind shear all runways; temporary wind 350° at 15 knots; 400 m visibility in dust.

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Thanks again Cariis...I have a 787 Captain sitting with me at the moment. Whilst this is a simulated version it appears that an A/C crossed runway 12L from the low cost terminal which caused a missed approach.... this may have been a consequence of a missed approach gone wrong or a missed approach due to wrong configuration. Of course this is all assumption until a report comes out.

 

[CARIIS]

Thanks again Cariis...I have a 787 Captain sitting with me at the moment. Whilst this is a simulated version it appears that an A/C crossed runway 12L from the low cost terminal which caused a missed approach.... this may have been a consequence of a missed approach gone wrong or a missed approach due to wrong configuration. Of course this is all assumption until a report comes out.

Hi !

I as wondering where were you were! Nice to see you Nex t time your with a capt ask him to rate the lilkihood that wind shear or microburst is gonna be a big player if you will TIA,

I thought that were not configured in the begining until I heard the ATC recorders. But then it was like this is not the movie AIrplane, i really dont think ATC is using binnculars and checking out for extended lear!! So was the go around cause of windshear alert in the tower, or a microburst .

Cant remember where I read it - but there were about 200 feet variations very close to touchdown. It was like 400 ft back to 600 back to 300 ( something like that) which made me think windshear/microburst. But then little tid bits started - they did a missed once before the crash, then the windshear alerts for two hour peroid before accident flight,


I do not know anything about your investigative branch for aviation. Are they tranparent. Do they withhold info? Cause its govt tun airline are they gonna play EgyptAir BS? Starting to wonder, it has a quick acess recorder- they would have been able to pull and read that by now I would think?

It is so hard to imagine them not getting a gear warning, in that configuration, at that height . Poor flight crew, I think that end its gonna fall on them, failure to ascertain go around climb established? Not handling a aborted approach?

While at the same time ignoring , that they two did an amazing job at some level also! moo

Tell us tell us what what the pros are discussing!! TIA

 

[Roselvr]

I knew there would be idiots doing this. Unbelievable, yet predictable.

Depends, if I were going on vacation to Dubai, that carry on could have my medications that are not easily replaced. I really have not traveled since 06; so I really do not remember where I used to pack what I needed into the purse or carry on.

All I see is fire at one wheel

 

[CARIIS]

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...i/news-story/a0a918eafb6c26456c7bcb9649f0fd2d

http://www.wsj.com/articles/dubai-airport-reopens-on-restricted-basis-after-crash-1470301337

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/emirates-plane-crash-fire-live-8550369

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgur...QA4B0AQMwhPKBAwEA&iact=mrc&uact=8#h=351&w=624

http://abcnews.go.com/International...llations-dubai-airport-crash-landing-41112622
http://thenewdaily.com.au/life/travel/2016/08/04/emirates-boeing-777-crash-landing/

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/emirates-plane-crash-fire-live-8550369
http://www.thenational.ae/opinion/editorial/a-close-call-underscores-airline-safety

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[FONT=&amp]14 were taken to hospital with “cuts and bruises”.

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]14,500ft runway--[/FONT][FONT=&amp]one of the longest in the world.

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]Wind shear is a potentially hazardous condition involving sudden and unpredictable changes in wind direction or speed. Up then down or down then up ---tailwind then headwind--or headwind then tailwind a serious issue when close to land

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]Windshear at altititude is called clear air turbulance but they have time to react to it

Firfighter [/FONT][FONT=&amp]hundreds of people gathered to pay tribute to the beloved son and funeral done

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]Airport has announced it is expected to stay “in recovery mode” for a further 48 hours.

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]The disruption of normal operations yesterday affected a total of 19,000 passengers

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]A total of 116 arriving and 121 departing flights were cancelled, 44 inbound flights were diverted

airport folks providing free refrehments and water

shuttle buses being used to move people around

[/FONT]No request was made for emergency services to standby and the crew informed the tower of a go around only to land suddenly

Passengers were not told there was a problem before landing[FONT=&amp]

[/FONT][FONT=&amp] one runway in use [/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]unlimited Wi Fi to help people stay in touch [/FONT]

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[/FONT][FONT=&amp]Jeremy Webb, from Australia, was the First Officer [/FONT][FONT=&amp] 7,000 hours of flying experience at the time of yesterday’s disaster.

[/FONT]First Officer Webb moved to Dubai with wife Alex a year ago to work for Emirates, a partner of Australian carrier Qantas.

Pilots would never land with unsafe gear — there’s all kinds of procedures you would do — you would fly around, you’d dump fuel, you’d burn off, you’d have emergency services standing by; so this was not an expected emergency,”

Landing the triple 7 :
“You don’t need to judge it, a voice calls out the real height above ground and all you do as they call 30, is you check back a little on the control panel and the plane lands itself,”

it would be unusual for the aircraft not to fly around Air Traffic Control to let them inspect the landing gear, if the crew had been aware of a problem.

s no certainty the findings would be made public, he said.
“Emirates will do whatever they can to keep their reputation.”

highly unlikely pilot fatigue

“Three aeroplanes a month are delivered and we just have to keep cancelling leave and revising flight duty rules,

Access to the airline’s crew website which includes rostering information and contact phone numbers was shut down immediately after Wednesday’s crash

world’s fourth-largest carrier. Though no U.S. airlines fly there, Emirates has frequent-flier partnerships with U.S. carriers JetBlue, Alaska Airlines and Virgin America.

passengers may not be in a position to take legal action against Emirates for psychological distress and trauma.
“That can only occur if (the mental distress) arises out of a bodily injury suffered in the incident,” Mr Janson said.

compensation for destroyed luggage — of up to $2088 a piece — if a claim was made within three-weeks of the crash

[FONT=&amp]crash is the first time an aircraft operated by Emirates appears to have been damaged beyond repair since it was founded in the 1980s

[FONT=&amp]The ground staff were amazing within seconds the ambulance took us away from the flights.

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]The engine blew away right after landing.

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[FONT=&amp]The Boeing 777 is “the backbone of our fleet”, according the Emirates. The airline is the world’s biggest operator of Boeing’s 777 models, and is the only airline to fly all six different models, reports.....flies 157 Boeing 777s to 109 destinations around the world.

[/FONT][FONT=&amp] world’s biggest airline by international traffic

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]last notable incident involving an Emirates plane was in March 2009: An [/FONT]Airbus Group SE[FONT=&amp] A340 hit its tail on takeoff from Melbourne, with no fatalities.

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accordance with the international protocol governing aviation accident investigations, all inquiries about the investigation must be directed to the United Arab Emirates General Civil Aviation Authority.

[/FONT]American and British investigators will participate in the probe because the Boeing plane was built in the U.S. and was powered by British-made Rolls-Royce Trent 800 engines.


preliminary report on the crash within a month.

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[/FONT]special fire-resistant material used inside the aircraft that does not produce toxic fumes, and seats that are reinforced to withstand extreme force

Airlines operating 777s include Singapore Airlines, Cathay Pacific, Air France, Emirates and United Airlines,

only three fatal accidents in more than 20 years of service, according to Airline Ratings. Of those three accidents, two were either the fault of crew error (a 2013 Air Asiana crash in San Francisco) or extraneous circumstances (Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot out of the sky). (plus MH370.)

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