Evidence #2

[golfmom]

Page #12 of the previous evidence thread.

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

I think that if the paramedics had found Janet in a kneeling position that that would have been relayed to LE.

I agree, totally! But, that said, that doesn't mean that that info would be in the search warrant info....remember, the warrant info doesn't even mention the paramedics, at all.

I wonder if the kneeling info was in the text/narrative of the ME report.

 

[golfmom]

I agree, totally! But, that said, that doesn't mean that that info would be in the search warrant info....remember, the warrant info doesn't even mention the paramedics, at all.

I wonder if the kneeling info was in the text/narrative of the ME report.

It has to be, doesn't it? Considering the ME released the report and the reporter used the report to write her report. :waitasec:

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I wonder if the kneeling info was in the text/narrative of the ME report.

Well if it was the paramedics that found her kneeling, then Raven couldn't have tried to save her. But Rooster said that he did. So either Raven was lying, Rooster was lying, or we have bad information in the kneeling statement. Whatever the case, I really feel it needs to be looked into.

 

[Moxie]

It has to be, doesn't it? Considering the ME released the report and the reporter used the report to write her report. :waitasec:

I would imagine it was in the report, since that is what the reporter used as her source.

 

[Moxie]

Well if it was the paramedics that found her kneeling, then Raven couldn't have tried to save her. But Rooster said that he did. So either Raven was lying, Rooster was lying, or we have bad information in the kneeling statement. Whatever the case, I really feel it needs to be looked into.

I agree. It would have not been possible for Raven to have tried to "save" her if she had been kneeling. We do need to look into this, might it be possible that Raven did not try to save her?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I agree. It would have not been possible for Raven to have tried to "save" her if she had been kneeling. We do need to look into this, might it be possible that Raven did not try to save her?

If it's in the ME report that she was kneeling, and LE has determined that the paramedics found her that way, then IMO there is no way that Raven could have tried to save her.

 

[Moxie]

If it's in the ME report that she was kneeling, and LE has determined that the paramedics found her that way, then IMO there is no way that Raven could have tried to save her.

That would be a hole in Raven's story then, huh?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

That would be a hole in Raven's story then, huh?

Sure would be. I wish we could know for sure what the source is for the kneeling information, and who found her that way. And whether or not Raven claimed to LE that he had tried to save her or only to Rooster or if Rooster even knows Raven, etc. So many things to think about.

Moxie, do you know if Raven had personally claimed to anyone that he had tried to save Janet?

Also, since the autopsy report has been released, is there any way for us to access it? I really think that we need to know who found Janet kneeling.

Anyway, here is the information from the article, and the context in which it was written, (as swiped from SES' post in the pregnancy thread):

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Janet Abaroa was pregnant when she was stabbed to death in her West Durham home, an autopsy report shows.

Durham police have made no arrests in the death of Abaroa, who was found in a kneeling position in her bedroom at 2606 Ferrand Drive the night of April 26. She was 25. Her 6-month-old son was in another room, unharmed.

The victim's husband, Raven Abaroa, discovered his wife's body late that night and called 911, telling an operator he thought she had been shot, police said.

According to the report released by the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in Chapel Hill, Janet Abaroa was stabbed in the neck and chest. It was likely the wound to the base of her neck, which cut into an artery and lung, that was the fatal blow, the report says. A sharp object also cut the woman's right middle finger, the report shows.

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

Durham police have made no arrests in the death of Abaroa, who was found in a kneeling position in her bedroom at 2606 Ferrand Drive the night of April 26. She was 25. Her 6-month-old son was in another room, unharmed.

The victim's husband, Raven Abaroa, discovered his wife's body late that night and called 911, telling an operator he thought she had been shot, police said.

According to the report released by the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in Chapel Hill, Janet Abaroa was stabbed in the neck and chest. It was likely the wound to the base of her neck, which cut into an artery and lung, that was the fatal blow, the report says. A sharp object also cut the woman's right middle finger, the report shows.

And this was the first and only time the word "kneeling" was used - so this reporter either got that info from the ME report, or, someone told her that...

 

[terminatrixator]

A major hole in Raven's story, along with other holes in his story, she's hurt, she was shot, etc.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

A major hole in Raven's story, along with other holes in his story, she's hurt, she was shot, etc.

But only if he did indeed tell anyone that he had tried to save her. So far, I only remember reading that in a post from Rooster. Has Raven told that to anyone else?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

heraldsun.com: Police search for murder clues in e-mail

... Raven Abaroa discovered his wife's body in an upstairs bedroom of their 2606 Ferrand Drive home shortly before 11 p.m. April 26, police have said. He called for help saying he believed his wife had been shot.

When the first officer arrived on the scene, Raven Abaroa told the officer that his wife was upstairs and was hurt, police have said.

The officer found Janet Abaroa lying on her back in an upstairs bedroom with a stab wound to her chest, according to an affidavit filed a week after the murder.

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So if Janet had been kneeling, she was no longer kneeling when the first officer arrived. She was lying on her back at that point. Perhaps paramedics were up there with her but if not, and she was originally kneeling, Raven must have known by then that Janet was not simply "hurt".

But perhaps paramedics were with her and he didn't know the status.

And we don't know yet if it was Raven who led to the report of her kneeling, the paramedics, or if it is misinformation altogether.

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

heraldsun.com: Police search for murder clues in e-mail

... Raven Abaroa discovered his wife's body in an upstairs bedroom of their 2606 Ferrand Drive home shortly before 11 p.m. April 26, police have said. He called for help saying he believed his wife had been shot.

When the first officer arrived on the scene, Raven Abaroa told the officer that his wife was upstairs and was hurt, police have said.

The officer found Janet Abaroa lying on her back in an upstairs bedroom with a stab wound to her chest, according to an affidavit filed a week after the murder.

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So if Janet had been kneeling, she was no longer kneeling when the first officer arrived. She was lying on her back at that point. Perhaps paramedics were up there with her but if not, Raven must have known by then that Janet was not simply "hurt".

I've ALWAYS thought the use of the word "HURT" was odd. I mean who knows what one might say under those circumstances. But if on the 911 call he reports she was "shot," it would just seem more natural for him to say, she upstairs and she's been shot.... or perhaps by then he realized that saying shot seemed ridiculous, and said "hurt" just to avoid saying "shot" again?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

When the first officer arrived on the scene, Raven Abaroa told the officer that his wife was upstairs and was hurt, police have said.

The officer found Janet Abaroa lying on her back in an upstairs bedroom with a stab wound to her chest, according to an affidavit filed a week after the murder.

So we know that the first officer found her on her back. So either she was not kneeling or someone moved her before the first officer arrived. Do we know for sure that paramedics arrived before LE? If the paramedics were already there, why was Raven downstairs - I thought he was only downstairs to wait for someone to arrive to tend to Janet. I imagine that the paramedics could have asked him to leave the room.

Is there any way to know who arrived on the scene first?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

The way the above article is worded, it sounds to me like the officer was the first one on the scene. It says that he found her on her back. It didn't say that he found her on her back, being attended to by paramedics. Is it possible that the paramedics had already been there and gone? I imagine that they'd wait for LE.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

abc11tv.com: Officers Took Knives, Scissors for Murdered Woman's Home

... The warrant says the victim's husband, Raven Abaroa, called police to "report a gunshot wound." Officers arrived and found his wife's body on the floor of a bedroom with what appeared to a stab wound in her chest...

Okay, I know I'm dragging this out but wouldn't it say that paramedics found her on the floor if they were the first on the scene?

Also interesting to note:

Police also are reexamining the couple's SUV after interviewing Raven Abaroa last week. Officers found it parked on the side of the couple' home during their initial investigation at the scene.

Last week? Did we ever establish the date on which the SUV was searched the second time? I thought it was the next day but this article makes it sound as if it could have been many days later.

ETA: It seems that the SUV was reinvestigated on April 28th, two days after the murder.

 

[mysteriew]

I'm thinking more along the lines that she was on her knees with her head on the floor. And I'm thinking that this must be the original position because in the police report the officer WL Early, said that there was a large amount of blood near the body. She must have collapsed there because if her lung was pierced, it would be very hard to breath. I'm just wondering why/how there was blood on the walls opposite and adjacent to the body.

Just thinking outloud.

Ok, picture this. Janet and the attacker are arguing, Janet is forced to her knees, the attacker is standing behind and above her. One knife thrust to the chest. There will be some cast-off, some oozing, but no big spurting. Your first instinct is to double over if you have abdominal or chest pain. So Janet doubles over, bending more toward the floor. Second thrust to the neck area- results in spurting- which is directed toward the floor. As attacker was standing behind and above her, all blood would be directed away from the attacker- except maybe some slight spray droplets, which were probably not noticable at a casual glance.

 

[mysteriew]

The way the above article is worded, it sounds to me like the officer was the first one on the scene. It says that he found her on her back. It didn't say that he found her on her back, being attended to by paramedics. Is it possible that the paramedics had already been there and gone? I imagine that they'd wait for LE.

Procedure says that they wait until LE arrives and they can turn the scene over to him. LE then usually makes a record of all paramedics at the scene- as potiential witnesses.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I've thought of that scenario too, mysteriew. I wonder if an attacker would have had some visible signs of injury to him or herself in that type of situation.