Evidence of Heart Shaped Sticker on Duct Tape Destroyed

[Curious Me]

I overlaid the heart sticker backing onto the duct tape pic and made an animated gif out of it. The shape of the sticker that came off the backing is definitely the same shape as the outline of the heart on the tape. I don't know what the size of the sticker is though. If it's the same size as the outline on the tape I think we have a match.

The heart outline on the tape was brought out by using the burn tool in photoshop (makes the dark areas darker). I cut out the heart sticker backing, resized it and moved it over the heart on the tape. Nothing was drawn or added to the tape pic and the shape of the sticker wasn't changed.

Astounding. That is where I saw the heart outline. Now, it's so horribly real. Oh, this looks like the work of "spiteful b!tch", IMO. :cursing::frown::burn:

 

[Marina2]

Great work, Marina!

There is a defined nose as well as nostrils in that picture, and more if you study it closely enough. I'm going to work on some enhancements over the next few days when I have the time, but I also clearly see Caylee's eyes on either side of that nose, as well as her eyebrows over her eyes.

It also appears that Casey taped Caylee up with Caylee's eyes in the open position.

You can also clearly see that this piece of tape is the outermost piece, because there is clear definition of the underlaying piece of tape across Caylee's mouth area.

Marina, if you are able to see what I am seeing, please feel free to play with it yourself, as I'm very busy with something else pertaining to this case atm and you will likely get it completed before I will.

I see what you see but I don't think it's her face. Think of the width of the duct tape, 2". Now imagine if that were her face and you'll see what I mean. That would make the distance from her eyebrows to the bottom of her nose about an inch.

 

[Phumi]

Not only that, we have to ask why she would have placed the heart sticker next to Caylee's ear instead of centered on the tape...could she have placed the sticker after Caylee was in the Pontiac, laying on her side? I have seen a couple of guesses at her outline in the trunk stain, I think in JWG's she would have the left side of her face down...
dunno...

We also have to consider that the tape may not have bee "centered" on Caylee's face. That is to say, what is the actual measured center of the length of tape, may not have been the part that was directly over the nose and mouth.

 

[Mamabear1963]

Not only that, we have to ask why she would have placed the heart sticker next to Caylee's ear instead of centered on the tape...could she have placed the sticker after Caylee was in the Pontiac, laying on her side? I have seen a couple of guesses at her outline in the trunk stain, I think in JWG's she would have the left side of her face down...
dunno...

Okay, I don't want to think this, let alone type it....in fact I think I am going to be ill....

If you were to put a piece of duct tape on a round object...ie a ball....and you were shaking angry....you would not center the piece of tape on the center of the ball...okay...her mouth...but place one end on the cheek...and wrap the tape firmly around the head. We already know the length of the tape vs the size of Caylee's head...

okay...I need to go...and apply brain bleach....I hope I was able to get what I pictured in my head out...cause I don't want to try again.

 

[Just Jayla]

We also have to consider that the tape may not have bee "centered" on Caylee's face. That is to say, what is the actual measured center of the length of tape, may not have been the part that was directly over the nose and mouth.

Yes, and we also have to consider that some parts of the tape (not sure if it affected this piece) had to have Caylee's hair cut out of it. Since we don't have Caylee's hair in this picture, the tape could have been cut.
I am thinking the state might hold back in the same spirit as the Earnhardt law, not releasing pics of her hair attached to the tape anyway, so I think it can be assumed that these pieces of tape DID in fact have hair attached at one point.
To keep this on topic, I think you are prolly right that it may just seem off centered, but was actually centered over Caylee's mouth when applied to her face.

OT ETA: Dale Earnhardt is being inducted posthumously in the NASCAR Hall of Fame this weekend-****333333333333333333333333****

 

[beach]

I see what you see but I don't think it's her face. Think of the width of the duct tape, 2". Now imagine if that were her face and you'll see what I mean. That would make the distance from her eyebrows to the bottom of her nose about an inch.

I agree.

The duct tape thread delves deeply into the placement of the tape. I wanted Caylee's eyes to be covered so she didn't have to look into her mother's eyes, however the ME report states that the tape they removed covered the bottom portion of her skull. According to the ME report, the nasal aperture is as high as it gets. Think mouth, nose and jaw.


AZ posted a recent hypothetical drawing of the approximate placement of the 3 pieces of duct tape in the post linked below -

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5197128&postcount=646"]http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5197128&postcount=646[/ame]



Her detailed explanation of how she came up with that hypothetical (including mathematical equations :bang is in this post:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5195861&postcount=623"]http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5195861&postcount=623[/ame]



One piece (probably Q63) was placed at a diagonal - that is most likely what held the mandible in place for 6 months.


fwiw, I don't think KC was too worried about centering anything. She just slapped that tape on well enough to make sure her mission was accomplished.

 

[Reagan]

I'll bet Caylee would like to be seeing all of those things too, especially the kitten.

Reagan, if you look at the heart Marina has outlined for us, and follow the left side of the heart approximately 1/3 down and then look to the left of that, that is where I see Caylee's dark eye, and yes, it is open. To 'test' the theory of whether it may be a fold, shadow, etc. on the tape, follow that eye directly across (to the left, facing), over the bridge of the nose, and Caylee's other eye is in direct correlation with her other eye. It isn't two 'coincidental' shadows, folds, or anything else when it's exactly in tandem with her opposite eye.

Once you see those beautiful, dark eyes of hers, it isn't difficult to then follow them upwards to see the eyebrows, again, both in tandem with one another.

Weather conditions or sun bleaching could have possibly helped to aid in this somewhat '3-D' image.

Yes, I'm afraid I see what you, and a lot of people are seeing here. And I do appreciate the input and photos that everyone is taking the time to do, but I do want to add that we have been wrong on many of occasions. Like the book fiasco! Good sleuthing nonetheless.

I'm just afraid that we are all seeing (I forget what the scientific term is called) these things because the human mind is known for looking at an unknown shape/object and trying to conclude or make sense of what it is. For reference sake can someone please tell me what that's called lol.

 

[JBean]

Yes, I'm afraid I see what you, and a lot of people are seeing here. And I do appreciate the input and photos that everyone is taking the time to do, but I do want to add that we have been wrong on many of occasions. Like the book fiasco! Good sleuthing nonetheless.

I'm just afraid that we are all seeing (I forget what the scientific term is called) these things because the human mind is known for looking at an unknown shape/object and trying to conclude or make sense of what it is. For reference sake can someone please tell me what that's called lol.

pareidolia.
Moreover,that being her face doesn't really match the evidence from what i can tell.

 

[Marina2]

Yes, I'm afraid I see what you, and a lot of people are seeing here. And I do appreciate the input and photos that everyone is taking the time to do, but I do want to add that we have been wrong on many of occasions. Like the book fiasco! Good sleuthing nonetheless.

I'm just afraid that we are all seeing (I forget what the scientific term is called) these things because the human mind is known for looking at an unknown shape/object and trying to conclude or make sense of what it is. For reference sake can someone please tell me what that's called lol.

It's called "pareidolia"

Pareidolia (pronounced /pærɪˈdoʊliə/ pa-ri-DOE-lee-&#601 is a psychological phenomenon involving a vague and random stimulus (often an image or sound) being perceived as significant.
[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia[/ame]


My image highlights the heart that the FBI examiner saw. I think her illustration was based on heart-shaped adhesive residue on actual duct tape rather than a "vague and random stimulus." We may both just be imagining it though.

 

[Reagan]

I believe it was based off her observations of adhesive in a heart shape circle too, but she, being an FBI analyst of all things, made one of the biggest oops by not photographing it before processing.
So, I don't think we'll ever really know, and I doubt this observation will come into evidence. I think photographs would have been admitted.

 

[Marina2]

I believe it was based off her observations of adhesive in a heart shape circle too, but she, being an FBI analyst of all things, made one of the biggest oops by not photographing it before processing.
So, I don't think we'll ever really know, and I doubt this observation will come into evidence. I think photographs would have been admitted.

I don't think it will come into evidence either. I can hear JB now "Who you gonna believe, me or your lyin" eyes."

It's a shame she didn't photograph what she saw before processing for prints since it appears to be a very good match for the heart-shaped sticker backing found in the home. I made the image to satisfy myself and others who may be interested in how close the two matched not to show that it could possibly be evidence in the case.

 

[Dignity4Victims]

I agree.

The duct tape thread delves deeply into the placement of the tape. I wanted Caylee's eyes to be covered so she didn't have to look into her mother's eyes, however the ME report states that the tape they removed covered the bottom portion of her skull. According to the ME report, the nasal aperture is as high as it gets. Think mouth, nose and jaw.


AZ posted a recent hypothetical drawing of the approximate placement of the 3 pieces of duct tape in the post linked below -

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5197128&postcount=646



Her detailed explanation of how she came up with that hypothetical (including mathematical equations :bang is in this post:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5195861&postcount=623



One piece (probably Q63) was placed at a diagonal - that is most likely what held the mandible in place for 6 months.


fwiw, I don't think KC was too worried about centering anything. She just slapped that tape on well enough to make sure her mission was accomplished.

Which is undoubtedly the very reason Jeff Ashton spoke about Caylee seeing her own mother's face as the last thing she looked at as the duct tape was applied piece by piece.

 

[Curious Me]

I believe it was based off her observations of adhesive in a heart shape circle too, but she, being an FBI analyst of all things, made one of the biggest oops by not photographing it before processing.
So, I don't think we'll ever really know, and I doubt this observation will come into evidence. I think photographs would have been admitted.

BBM Even if it was there, and we all know it was most likely there, it isn't going to be brought in as fact. Don't they have any rules before testing about taking pics first?

Great sleuthing has been done on this subject! Pat yourselves on the back.

I'm wondering just how much of the heart shaped sticker will be discussed in court then, with no real evidence?

 

[AZlawyer]

I see that one as well. It is considerably larger than the one EF illustrated though and not the same angle and position. The one seen in my image is the exact size, shape, and angle as the one EF highlighted yet it is just slightly above where she places it on the tape. I wish I knew if EF's image shows the exact location or just an approximation.

The photo of the sticker backing that I posted a couple of pages back has a ruler next to it. I think the actual backing is larger than the cut-out you used, and also larger than the drawing EF made for her PowerPoint. (BTW I believe the tape width is 1.8 inches rather than 2 inches--there were two sets of measurements given in the notes, but one set was just approximate.)

I wonder if EF's drawing was not intended to be strictly accurate, as she was just giving a general presentation not specifically relating to this case. Also, she used a photo of Q64 rather than Q63, which is where the FBI notes say the sticker was seen.

I see a heart outline very clearly on Q64 (the one we're discussing), but it is not exactly where anyone else has highlighted. I'll check if it matches the actual size of the backing.

Great work, Marina!

There is a defined nose as well as nostrils in that picture, and more if you study it closely enough. I'm going to work on some enhancements over the next few days when I have the time, but I also clearly see Caylee's eyes on either side of that nose, as well as her eyebrows over her eyes.

It also appears that Casey taped Caylee up with Caylee's eyes in the open position.

You can also clearly see that this piece of tape is the outermost piece, because there is clear definition of the underlaying piece of tape across Caylee's mouth area.
Marina, if you are able to see what I am seeing, please feel free to play with it yourself, as I'm very busy with something else pertaining to this case atm and you will likely get it completed before I will.

This piece of tape (Q64) was not the outermost piece--it was the bottom piece.

 

[LambChop]

BBM Even if it was there, and we all know it was most likely there, it isn't going to be brought in as fact. Don't they have any rules before testing about taking pics first?

Great sleuthing has been done on this subject! Pat yourselves on the back.

I'm wondering just how much of the heart shaped sticker will be discussed in court then, with no real evidence?

But there is evidence. Eye witness evidence from an investigator at the site and the FBI person who was checking for fingerprints. And they noted it in the reports. Plus a heart shaped sticker was found within the area of the remains and they knew to look for it because they saw the outline on the tape. jmo

 

[beach]

But there is evidence. Eye witness evidence from an investigator at the site and the FBI person who was checking for fingerprints. And they noted it in the reports. Plus a heart shaped sticker was found within the area of the remains and they knew to look for it because they saw the outline on the tape. jmo

I agree, LambChop. I am not convinced that it won't come in as evidence. I think that remains to be seen.

Either way, it is not the 'smoking gun', so I'm not too worried about it. It would be great in helping refute the SODDI defense, because not just any ol' dude would have a reason to apply a heart sticker to the duct tape that murdered her, imo. It would help by tying back to her fascination of 'hearts' and the stickers LE confiscated from her bedroom. I hope it does come in, but if it doesn't, I'm not gonna panic over it.

 

[RR0004]

I agree.

The duct tape thread delves deeply into the placement of the tape. I wanted Caylee's eyes to be covered so she didn't have to look into her mother's eyes, however the ME report states that the tape they removed covered the bottom portion of her skull. According to the ME report, the nasal aperture is as high as it gets. Think mouth, nose and jaw.


AZ posted a recent hypothetical drawing of the approximate placement of the 3 pieces of duct tape in the post linked below -

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5197128&postcount=646



Her detailed explanation of how she came up with that hypothetical (including mathematical equations :bang is in this post:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5195861&postcount=623



One piece (probably Q63) was placed at a diagonal - that is most likely what held the mandible in place for 6 months.


fwiw, I don't think KC was too worried about centering anything. She just slapped that tape on well enough to make sure her mission was accomplished.

OMG! Nothing could have prepared me for that photo.

 

[beach]

OMG! Nothing could have prepared me for that photo.

I know. Sorry. :hug:

 

[Marina2]

The photo of the sticker backing that I posted a couple of pages back has a ruler next to it. I think the actual backing is larger than the cut-out you used, and also larger than the drawing EF made for her PowerPoint. (BTW I believe the tape width is 1.8 inches rather than 2 inches--there were two sets of measurements given in the notes, but one set was just approximate.)

I wonder if EF's drawing was not intended to be strictly accurate, as she was just giving a general presentation not specifically relating to this case. Also, she used a photo of Q64 rather than Q63, which is where the FBI notes say the sticker was seen.

I see a heart outline very clearly on Q64 (the one we're discussing), but it is not exactly where anyone else has highlighted. I'll check if it matches the actual size of the backing.



This piece of tape (Q64) was not the outermost piece--it was the bottom piece.

Looking at the photo of the sticker backing with the ruler on it, it appears that the sticker that was peeled away would have been about 7/8 ".

I too wonder how accurate her illustration was intended to be. I wish I knew how to measure the sticker backing against her drawing. Do you think the adhesive was seen on Q63 rather than Q64?

 

[RR0004]

I know. Sorry. :hug:

No need to apologize...we need to see it. Great work was done!!