Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #8

[Donjeta]

Cuts and abrasions may heal and nails may grow as long as there is blood circulation, oxygen and nutrients going through her system. Brain function is not necessary to direct those functions. If her circulation starts to fail at some point then it's another matter.

Maybe they're setting her up in a sitting position with the bedhead raised and supported by pillows.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Thank you, Donjeta!

 

[Minette]

It seems to me that Ms. Winfield is solely focused on external issues of Jahi's appearance. She says Jahi's skin is flawless, in the past she has commented with apparent satisfaction that Jahi is at last losing weight, and she spends a lot of time grooming her daughter. All while Jahi's brain has not had oxygen since early in December. But disintegrating brain tissues cannot be seen by the naked eye so there sits Ms. Winkfield, reading her Bible and cooing over Jahi's flawless skin. It is a horror show.

 

[Deleted member 110058]

It seems to me that Ms. Winfield is solely focused on external issues of Jahi's appearance. She says Jahi's skin is flawless, in the past she has commented with apparent satisfaction that Jahi is at last losing weight, and she spends a lot of time grooming her daughter. All while Jahi's brain has not had oxygen since early in December. But disintegrating brain tissues cannot be seen by the naked eye so there sits Ms. Winkfield, reading her Bible and cooing over Jahi's flawless skin. It is a horror show.

Your reference of a "horror show" were exactly my thoughts.
As if a young girl is convinced that her doll came to life....
This is truly heartbreaking. My prayers will be with NW - in hopes that she will be given the strength to cope when/if reality hits.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

And breathing.

How about feeding herself, eating?

 

[Minette]

How about feeding herself, eating?

Going to the restroom, cleaning herself afterwards.....

I mean, this child's body is on a ventilator being fed through a tube--how is that 'doing everything for herself'?

 

[Donjeta]

NW: (1:05) Jahi is actually doing great physically. Um, her skin is flawless. All her vitals are stable. Um, she's not on any meds to maintain anything. She's doing everything on her own except waking up. (Laughs) Um. She's still asleep. I don't use brain dead towards my daughter. She's still asleep. But, physically, she's doing much better since she left from California.

I think doing everything on her own might have referred to not needing or not receiving any medications to keep her bodily processes going on. It goes back to Byrne's ideas that the person is alive as long as there is something working (he went on and on about how a person can't be dead if they're warm and their liver is functioning etc.).

 

[meanmaryjean]

The salient part of the quote to me is 'not on any meds to maintain anything' - meaning (IMHO) blood pressure/ heart rate.

She's not waking up because she is incapable of EVER waking up. Mom can refuse to use the term 'brain dead' but that does not change the reality of the situation.

 

[Frigga]

I didn't think her fingers looked thin, at all, in the picture- and I can't even see her wrists. Her fingers look quite large- to me, but her nail beds look pink and healthy (clear polish?)- how is that possible? Her skin looks healthy too- not ashen or gray. I would think by now- they would be. So, if she is on no medication, and doing everything on her own- does that mean going to the bathroom. I am as confused as I ever was. No PICC line, no IV etc. I didn't think that was possible. Can someone who knows more help me out. Could she look healthy indefinitely if her heart continues to beat and her blood circulates?

 

[al66pine]

If Jahi is actually moving, they could take videos and post them just as easily as they post a photo of her hand. Family of Terry Schiavo (who wasn't actually brain dead) videotaped Schiavo to prove she was interacting with her environment. All we have seen with Jahi is a photo of hand (which looks like a lot of weight has been lost)....

BBM and snipped for focus.

Exactly.
Why no video?
Why no pix to verify the hand depicted is actually Jahi's?
(Yes, vid or pix cb/be photoshopped)

Maybe because vids would show Jahi's movements
which do not nullify diagnosis of braindeath,
e.g., reflexes mediated thtu spine, not brain (apologies for my lack of accurate med terminology)?

Sad, sad, sad.

 

[rob]

"NW: (1:30) She moves all the time. She moves a lot. She can--they have to put pillows around her bed because she's even moved and bust her lip because she's startin' to lift at the waist. She moves her upper [extremities] and always her legs and her feet. So, I'm really happy about that."

If she is doing all this, especially lifting at the waist, all they need is some videos, and I feel sure the ruling on death could be overturned. I can imagine small twiches and movements, but moving enough to cause her lip to bleed? Would the body be capable of having seizures? That what all this sounds like to me, but I am in no way medical, just a person who has lived 52 yrs and has never seen anything like this. I just wish the interviewer had asked the Schivo brother did he see any difference in brain damaged and brain dead.

 

[MyBelle]

It seems to me that Ms. Winfield is solely focused on external issues of Jahi's appearance. She says Jahi's skin is flawless, in the past she has commented with apparent satisfaction that Jahi is at last losing weight, and she spends a lot of time grooming her daughter. All while Jahi's brain has not had oxygen since early in December. But disintegrating brain tissues cannot be seen by the naked eye so there sits Ms. Winkfield, reading her Bible and cooing over Jahi's flawless skin. It is a horror show.

With all due respect, it isn't a horror show to the child's mother. I doubt she would act any differently if her child was diagnosed as comatose rather than brain dead. I have no clue how I would be acting if my daughter was in that bed. She clearly is a woman of faith and is coping in her own way. Thread after thread on this forum is about abused, murdered or missing children with lousy parents. This is a case of a child deeply loved and is sorta refreshing to me to see the outpouring of support.

It isn't true Jahi's brain has not had oxygen since early December. The ventilator is providing the oxygen and her heart is circulating it.

all, jmo.

 

[Linda7NJ]

With all due respect, it isn't a horror show to the child's mother. I doubt she would act any differently if her child was diagnosed as comatose rather than brain dead. I have no clue how I would be acting if my daughter was in that bed. She clearly is a woman of faith and is coping in her own way. Thread after thread on this forum is about abused, murdered or missing children with lousy parents. This is a case of a child deeply loved and is sorta refreshing to me to see the outpouring of support.



It isn't true Jahi's brain has not had oxygen since early December. The ventilator is providing the oxygen and her heart is circulating it.



all, jmo.

Ah! I knew we could agree on something!

I find the venom for this mother rather distasteful.

I see it no differently than a mother holding vigil over her child in a coma too.

Still nothing but the upmost compassion from me.


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[BetteDavisEyes]

Who is caring for Jahi's siblings? I hope that NW's other children aren't being neglected while she tends to her incapacitated daughter. They need and deserve care, nurturing, and emotional support from their mother during this difficult time. lease:

 

[Donjeta]

With all due respect, it isn't a horror show to the child's mother. I doubt she would act any differently if her child was diagnosed as comatose rather than brain dead. I have no clue how I would be acting if my daughter was in that bed. She clearly is a woman of faith and is coping in her own way. Thread after thread on this forum is about abused, murdered or missing children with lousy parents. This is a case of a child deeply loved and is sorta refreshing to me to see the outpouring of support.

It isn't true Jahi's brain has not had oxygen since early December. The ventilator is providing the oxygen and her heart is circulating it.

all, jmo.

BBM. No. According to the scans there is no brain perfusion.

 

[nrdsb4]

With all due respect, it isn't a horror show to the child's mother. I doubt she would act any differently if her child was diagnosed as comatose rather than brain dead. I have no clue how I would be acting if my daughter was in that bed. She clearly is a woman of faith and is coping in her own way. Thread after thread on this forum is about abused, murdered or missing children with lousy parents. This is a case of a child deeply loved and is sorta refreshing to me to see the outpouring of support.

It isn't true Jahi's brain has not had oxygen since early December. The ventilator is providing the oxygen and her heart is circulating it.

all, jmo.

BBM

No, it's not. Jahi had a negative cerebral blood flow result in December, done in accordance with the time related requirements (if done too early, brain swelling can give a false result). There was no flow. When there is no blood flow to the brain, the brain tissue dies. Once it dies, it begins to shrivel, soften, and liquify. It no longer receives blood flow.

Unless you have proof that the negative CBF study was not done correctly or the results were incorrect or purposely falsified, then you cannot argue that the heart is circulating blood in her brain.

http://www.donorrecovery.org/learn/understanding-brain-death/

 

[MyBelle]

Ah! I knew we could agree on something!

I find the venom for this mother rather distasteful.

I see it no differently than a mother holding vigil over her child in a coma too.

Still nothing but the upmost compassion from me.


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Hey, it works for me! Totally agree. Scroll and roll when there is venom, LOL.

 

[MyBelle]

BBM. No. According to the scans there is no brain perfusion.

Tests can be wrong. Mothers and fathers are allowed to believe in miracles.

http://www.today.com/id/23775873/ns...-dead-man-takes-miraculous-turn/#.UzXDm1eebEg

But 36 hours after the accident, doctors performed a PET scan of his brain and informed his parents, along with other family members who had gathered to keep vigil at the hospital, that there was no blood flowing to Zack’s brain; he was brain-dead.

Doctors showed the scan to Zack’s parents, and, Doug Dunlap told Morales, “There was no activity at all. No blood flow at all.”

 

[Donjeta]

Tests can be wrong. Mothers and fathers are allowed to believe in miracles.

http://www.today.com/id/23775873/ns...-dead-man-takes-miraculous-turn/#.UzXDm1eebEg

But 36 hours after the accident, doctors performed a PET scan of his brain and informed his parents, along with other family members who had gathered to keep vigil at the hospital, that there was no blood flowing to Zack’s brain; he was brain-dead.

Doctors showed the scan to Zack’s parents, and, Doug Dunlap told Morales, “There was no activity at all. No blood flow at all.”

Sure, tests could be wrong and there could be miracles but you claimed it for a fact that there is oxygen flowing in her brain. How do you know?

 

[MissJ]

I'm just astounded by this tidbit that was in the article below the Philly interview: "McMath, who is unable to communicate, moves her arms and legs, turns her head from side-to-side and repositions herself in bed -- even sitting cross-legged, Winkfield said."

Uh huh.

Wow! Why don't they video this? Amazing. They don't because it isn't true.