GUILTY FL - 17 killed in Stoneman Douglas High School shooting, Parkland, 14 Feb 2018 #4 *Arrest*

[bluesneakers]

So would that be complete 100% gun control? If so, that would never ever happen here. We are a country who loves our guns. No matter how much damage a person can do with a gun some people no matter what will never give up their guns.

Yep. Lots of people think they're the exception.

 

[Jax49]

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?368247-Gun-Control-Debate-5

 

[Gooddeeds]

That's not the way these mental and behavioral issues work. At all. At all at all.

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Yes! If that were the case we would be a vastly different society. We don’t get to check the box for superior developmental outcomes, of which most of us would have chosen given the option.


‘UNRAVELING THE LONGSTANDING SCARS OF EARLY DEVELOPMENT STRESS’

BIOLOGICAL PSYCHIATRY is a fascinating site.

http://www.biologicalpsychiatryjournal.com/home

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.biopsych.2013.10.004

 

[grammieto5]

I don’t believe in unicorns and I don’t believe in coincidences, so jump back Grammiepants.

So many people will worry about “what’ll be used next,” but all those things already exist. They’re not worrying about what we can do NOW. Moo

If buying age of this type of rifle was equalized to age 21, this shooting would not have happened. If that gun wasn’t legal for him to buy and use it wouldn’t have happened.

Dozens of people wouldn’t be wounded or dead. Even with a handgun, or a crossbow, the toll would be reduced.

He also be easier to stop.

* plink *

My two cents.

Grammiepants LOL now that's funny! I also do not believe in coincidences. I agree with the age thing, but he could have still found a way to get his guns. I do worry, as does my family about what can be done now.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

This may have already been posted and I dont know if it is relevant to the Parkland shooting but the timing is very interesting.

Broward Sheriff's Office
3 hrs ·


At 11:26 a.m. March 19, a Toyota Camry crashed into the community service room at BSO’s South Broward office, 3201 W. Hallandale Beach Blvd., Pembroke Park. Following impact, a fire erupted from the car.

DRIVER CRASHES INTO BSO’S SOUTH BROWARD DISTRICT OFFICE | Broward County
This morning, a woman crashed into a Broward Sheriff’s Office district office with accelerants inside the car. An investigation led by BSO’s Violent Crimes Unit is underway.
SHERIFF.ORG

https://www.facebook.com/pg/browardsheriffsoffice/posts/

Woman purposefully rams vehicle into Sheriff's South District Office.

http://www.850wftl.com/woman-purposely-rams-vehicle-into-police-station/

 

[popsicle]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/975884671891443712[FONT=&amp]

BREAKING: Brother of Florida school shooter arrested for trespassing at the same school.

Zachary Cruz bypassed all locked doors and gates and began riding his skateboard. He told officers he entered the property to “reflect on the school shooting and soak it in.” - WPEC[/FONT]

 

[oceanblueeyes]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/975884671891443712[FONT=&]

BREAKING: Brother of Florida school shooter arrested for trespassing at the same school.

Zachary Cruz bypassed all locked doors and gates and began riding his skateboard. He told officers he entered the property to “reflect on the school shooting and soak it in.” - WPEC[/FONT]

Talk about creepy and he had already been advised not to enter.

 

[bears10]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/975884671891443712[FONT=&amp]

BREAKING: Brother of Florida school shooter arrested for trespassing at the same school.

Zachary Cruz bypassed all locked doors and gates and began riding his skateboard. He told officers he entered the property to “reflect on the school shooting and soak it in.” - WPEC[/FONT]

How did he bypass the locked doors and gates? (This is a rhetorical question and not directed at you, popsicle)

 

[jjenny]

How did he bypass the locked doors and gates? (This is a rhetorical question and not directed at you, popsicle)

If he didn't enter through doors I guess that leaves a window.

 

[bears10]

If he didn't enter through doors I guess that leaves a window.

Thanks. I was kind of being facetious, meaning, how on earth was anyone able to access this building?

I don’t doubt ZC is having a really, really hard time. He lost his mother, then his brother commits such a heinous act... who does ZC have left? RD? Yeah bc she seems genuine /s I hope he has access to therapy and support. I’m not ready to call his actions creepy. I can’t imagine being in his shoes. JMO.

 

[jjenny]

Thanks. I was kind of being facetious, meaning, how on earth was anyone able to access this building?

I don’t doubt ZC is having a really, really hard time. He lost his mother, then his brother commits such a heinous act... who does ZC have left? RD? Yeah bc she seems genuine /s I hope he has access to therapy and support. I’m not ready to call his actions creepy. I can’t imagine being in his shoes. JMO.

I am sure he is having a hard time. But haven't the students at that school been through enough to now worry why brother of the suspect is showing up there, when already told to not show up.

 

[bears10]

I am sure he is having a hard time. But haven't the students at that school been through enough to now worry why brother of the suspect is showing up there, when already told to not show up.

Sorry, for some reason I was under the impression there were no students attending the school and that it was being torn down and being rebuilt. If students are attending the school then it’s different and I retract my previous opinion.

 

[jjenny]

Sorry, for some reason I was under the impression there were no students attending the school and that it was being torn down and being rebuilt. If students are attending the school then it’s different and I retract my previous opinion.

School isn't being torn down and rebuilt. It has numerous buildings. Students are back in the school.

 

[bears10]

School isn't being torn down and rebuilt. It has numerous buildings. Students are back in the school.

Thanks. Looking back, it seems to be only the specific building that is being demolished and rebuilt. I guess I assumed for $28 million the entire school was being rebuilt. I went to a high school with 3,000 kids and we only had one building, so I didn’t understand they have a whole campus and the building was merely a part of said campus.

 

[Gooddeeds]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/975884671891443712[FONT=&]

BREAKING: Brother of Florida school shooter arrested for trespassing at the same school.

Zachary Cruz bypassed all locked doors and gates and began riding his skateboard. He told officers he entered the property to “reflect on the school shooting and soak it in.” - WPEC[/FONT]

Red Flag Alert. I wonder if he has had any counseling?

 

[cujenn81]

It's not easy to obtain an order for involuntary commitment. The biggest obstacle is that the severity of one's mental illness isn't always obvious to those outside of the individual's circle of close friends and family. Even if reports are made, if a medical professional doesn't see any sign of potentially harmful behavior, they probably won't recommend an involuntary hold unless there's some kind of concrete proof of the behavior. And, unfortunately... some people are very good at hiding their mental illness when they want to.

It's really the worst kind of Catch 22 -- because while it can be detrimental to the lives of others in situations such as this, it also protects individuals who honestly don't need to be there. Once upon a time (and not that long ago), people were locked up in rubber rooms at state mental hospitals and forcibly given electric shock therapy... and not all of those people were mentally ill.

It's a very slippery slope.


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[BetteDavisEyes]

Brother of suspected Florida school gunman charged with trespassing at Marjory Stoneman Douglas HS
by Alex Johnson

The half-brother of Nikolas Cruz, who is charged with killing 17 people at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida on Valentine's Day, was arrested and charged with trespassing at the school on Monday...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...-trespassing-marjory-stoneman-douglas-n858111

 

[Doghairrules]

Red Flag Alert. I wonder if he has had any counseling?

I also wonder if he has access to guns. I’m not saying that he would do the same thing his brother did, but his actions today show a decided lack of judgment, I suspect he has a similar difficult background, coming from the same bio mom, and now he has to deal with what his brother has done. On top of that, there doesn’t appear to be anyone in his life he can count on. [emoji22]

 

[mpnola]

It's not easy to obtain an order for involuntary commitment. The biggest obstacle is that the severity of one's mental illness isn't always obvious to those outside of the individual's circle of close friends and family. Even if reports are made, if a medical professional doesn't see any sign of potentially harmful behavior, they probably won't recommend an involuntary hold unless there's some kind of concrete proof of the behavior. And, unfortunately... some people are very good at hiding their mental illness when they want to.

It's really the worst kind of Catch 22 -- because while it can be detrimental to the lives of others in situations such as this, it also protects individuals who honestly don't need to be there. Once upon a time (and not that long ago), people were locked up in rubber rooms at state mental hospitals and forcibly given electric shock therapy... and not all of those people were mentally ill.

It's a very slippery slope.


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Thank you. I was feeling like my explanations might not have been getting through, so I definitely appreciate someone else tagging in with some solid mental health info. I do get that unless you have really experienced it, it is almost something that you cannot even comprehend, just how complex it is.

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[mpnola]

I also wonder if he has access to guns. I’m not saying that he would do the same thing his brother did, but his actions today show a decided lack of judgment, I suspect he has a similar difficult background, coming from the same bio mom, and now he has to deal with what his brother has done. On top of that, there doesn’t appear to be anyone in his life he can count on. [emoji22]

And he is definitely carrying a lot of guilt. He said in an article he wished he would have been nicer to his brother. I was kind of annoyed that the paper put it off on him because it wasn't his fault. I would predict him to harm himself before I would predict him to harm others. I think he feels some responsibility for what happened. And he doesn't have anyone healthy to tell him otherwise and give him loving unselfish support. I hope they court order a guardian that is not a friend.

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