FL - 17-yo Teen Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #4

[Belinda]

IMO, GZ is crying for himself. He now realizes that wherever he goes, he will be known as the man who shot an unarmed 17 year old because of his erroneous beliefs about black teens.
He was withdrawn as a student at Seminole State College. This is an extreme measure. He was not given the option of online classes.
Whether convicted or not, he will have to live with himself knowing he killed an unarmed teen. He will be shunned.
All JMO.

Furthermore, he can kiss his dreams of being a police officer goodbye.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Trayvon Martin Shooter 'Couldn't Stop Crying' After Shooting..

"After this started – the reports I got – [Zimmerman] "couldn't stop crying,'' Joe Oliver told "Good Morning America" on Sunday.

Oliver, who said he is a close friend of the family, said Zimmerman has gone into hiding, fears for his life, and is "just now becoming aware of how big this has gotten."


http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-ma...rying-shooting/story?id=15997075#.T28yITH2b2Y

Whatever!! The moment he started crying was the moment that he found out that people were going to be taking a long hard look at this case and that he stands to be charged with murder.

He better stay hidden with that $10,000 bounty on his head from the Black Panthers.

You darn straight it's gotten so big. I'm sure his dad fully instructed him on what to say to law enforcement that night and he thought he was free and clear when they allowed him to go home. He never imagined it would get this big. What a coward this man is.


~jmo~

Wow - so he couldn't stop crying. Felt bad did he? hhhmmmm......

Has yet to release a statement or offer condolences to Trayvon's family, BUT called a friend and offered his condolences to him for loosing his son.

Oh yea, GZ is all broke up about this................................yea right.



JMHO

 

[LambChop]

<modsnip>

The police and the DA have refused to file charges indicates that they are aware of exculpatory evidence we aren&#8217;t privy to or that there is insufficient evidence to attempt a trial.

The immense amount of public and media pressure being exerted against the police dept. and DA&#8217;s office would more than likely have resulted in them doing something by now. That they&#8217;ve weathered this storm says a lot. I commend them for being resolute in the face of what they&#8217;re enduring.

<modsnip>


http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Zimmerman_Martin_shooting.pdf

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Twin Lakes Shooting Initial Report.pdf

I think it is the duty of every American to question the death of an individual who was targeted by GZ and police as a suspect in an unknown crime when the person suspected was just walking home from a store. No evidence was presented that TM had done anything wrong, he was just walking home. The choice to follow TM was GZ's. The choice to confront TM was GZ's. The choice to kill TM was GZ's. GZ did not follow proper procedures either of the NWP nor police department but pursued the victim on his own. If we do not have the right to question GZ's actions what right did GZ have to question TM? TM could never answer to LE to explain why he was there because GZ chose to take that right away from him. Of course we should question it and LE's investigation.

If LE has this evidence and they have completed their investigation then there is no reason not to release this information to the public. They have not done that citing they are not finished with the investigation. Pray tell what is left???? The child is dead...are they still looking for information to discredit him. My husband was a detective and I usually stand behind LE in most cases because I know how hard of a job it is but this case stinks. And I am aware that at times LE screws up and trys to cover it up....it's been going on for years and we all are aware of it. They are human and makes mistakes but they will try to protect their own when they see internal affairs headed their way.

The choice to confront LE is the right of his parents. The choice to back his parents is ours. Otherwise we would be living in a police state where their word is the last word. We don't do that here. jmo

 

[Adrienne37]

Furthermore, he can kiss his dreams of being a police officer goodbye.

and thank heavens for that. Can you imagine what in the world he would do if he was a police officer and had a badge to hide behind.


~jmo~

 

[angelmom]

Neighborhood Watch captain George Zimmerman, who shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin last month, sparking a national outcry, thought the killing "would all blow over," a friend, Joe Oliver, told ABC News this morning.

"Because he was there and he knows what happened...he's been very confident - naively - that this would all blow over," Oliver said.

Oliver, who said he has known Zimmerman for about 10 years, and Zimmerman's legal advisor, Craig Sonner, also appeared on The Today Show.

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http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...120325_1_abc-news-arizona-iced-tea-joe-oliver

Here's the Today Show video:

msnbc.com Video Player

Infuriating! When the interviewer asks, "Why did he get out of the car?" and comments that "none of this would have happened if he had stayed in the car." [I am paraphrasing] GZ's friend responds:

"None of this would have happened if Trayvon had stayed with his parents."


WTF??? now a teenager is to blame for his own death because he wasn't holding Mommy's hand while he crossed the street?????

Do they realize how ignorant that sounds???

ETA: Also, if it weren't so ludicrous and insulting it would be funny. "Sanford LE knows their rep and is trying very hard to do everything right." Um, seriously???

Also, "We aren't going to litigate this in the media" translates (IMHO, JMO, etc.) into "We don't have any real defense so we're going to let legalities and technicalities be our friend in court. Casey Anthony a perfect example - that's absolutely true! How many times did Jose say it would all make sense when they got to trial and then he had NOTHING! IMHO, that's what George Zimmerman has as well.

 

[songline]

Following is not against the law. Putting your hands on someone is. According to the gf - she heard GZ say something to the effect "what are you doing here" - so GZ was right there with Trayvon. Again - common sense and logic tells me that regardless of what Trayvon said to him, he wasn't going to let him get away and therefore reached out and grabbed him by the arm. Trayvon now, felling threatened, punched GZ in the nose is an effort to try to get away - or at least get GZ's hand off him.

What we need to know - and probably never will - is who put whose hands on the other one FIRST. Whoever that was became the aggressor.

Again, common sense and logic tells me that Trayvon did not "touch" GZ first - we know he was afraid and had relayed to his gf that "some dude was following him" so why would he touch him? Elude and evade - that's why Trayvon was probably trying to do, yet GZ caught up to him and grabbed a hold of him.

JMHO (an opinion is all we will ever have of this - GZ will never say he touched Trayvon first and Trayvon can't speak for himself)

Common... he would touch him because he was a proud young black man who was not going to act like a sissy.

How do you know that GZ grabbed a hold of him???
No body ever eluded to this, we are going to have to connect the dots…
BUT sadly Again the legal system did not do a good job of recording anything in a timely way.

 

[SuziQ]

The reason that TM was visiting with his father. Because he does live in MIAMI with his mother is
because he was dismissed from school.
Dismissed because he was in an area that was off limits.
I WONDER WHY THAT IS NOT PART OF THE CONVERSATION...Seems to me this good boy was not always so good.

<modsnip> I READ THIS ON THE INTERNET last night.

Not sure how this is relevant to Trayvon's death. Do you have a link for this? Below is what has been widely reported in msm.

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/...ds-Say-He-Never-Picked-a-Fight-144089716.html

(snip)
Martin's parents kept a close eye on him, but they didn't have to be too strict, since he stayed out of trouble, Collins said. However, he had recently been suspended from school for tardiness, said his stepmother, Alesha Martin.

 

[LambChop]

That assumes they were both standing up.

Still would be the stomach area and TM would have had a chance of survival. Heart area is meant to kill. GZ had training, did he not, in how to handle a gun. Qualified on the shooting range, IMO. The mass area is the same for the stomach, plus if they were both down on the ground the gun would have had to have been pressed up against TM's chest. On the ground I would think the stomach area would have been much closer with only a 3 inch difference in height. Sure wish we had those autopsy reports. jmo

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Common... he would touch him because he was a proud young black man who was not going to act like a sissy.

How do you know that GZ grabbed a hold of him???
No body ever eluded to this, we are going to have to connect the dots…
BUT sadly Again the legal system did not do a good job of recording anything in a timely way.

And GZ would shoot Trayvon because he was a neighborhood watch/cop wannabee who was not going to let these *****get away anymore. And that is documented by GZ's own words on the 911 calls.


JMHO

 

[songline]

This site is not msm but he has an overhead diagram of the neighborhood, truck, etc. If accurate it could be helpful. Moo

http://marinadedave.com/journal/2012/3/22/the-tragedy-of-trayvon-martin.html

That guy who said. GZ acts like a cop wanabe is exactly what I have said too.
But that does not mean that he set out to kill anyone at all. it can mean that something went very wrong.

The picturs give a great overview of the area THANKS.

 

[mikeysmommom]

<modsnip>

The police and the DA have refused to file charges indicates that they are aware of exculpatory evidence we aren’t privy to or that there is insufficient evidence to attempt a trial.

The immense amount of public and media pressure being exerted against the police dept. and DA’s office would more than likely have resulted in them doing something by now. That they’ve weathered this storm says a lot. I commend them for being resolute in the face of what they’re enduring.

<modsnip>


http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Zimmerman_Martin_shooting.pdf

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Twin Lakes Shooting Initial Report.pdf

That is why I tend to believe Police have good reason not to arrest GZ.

 

[LambChop]

Common... he would touch him because he was a proud young black man who was not going to act like a sissy.

How do you know that GZ grabbed a hold of him???
No body ever eluded to this, we are going to have to connect the dots…
BUT sadly Again the legal system did not do a good job of recording anything in a timely way.

It appears that LE viewed TM as a suspect based on GZ's description. They never checked to see if TM was living or visiting there. jmo

 

[jjenny]

Still would be the stomach area and TM would have had a chance of survival. Heart area is meant to kill. GZ had training, did he not, in how to handle a gun. Qualified on the shooting range, IMO. The mass area is the same for the stomach, plus if they were both down on the ground the gun would have had to have been pressed up against TM's chest. On the ground I would think the stomach area would have been much closer with only a 3 inch difference in height. Sure wish we had those autopsy reports. jmo

That's a lot of assumptions to make if they were both on the ground fighting and GZ managed to pull out a gun. You don't know what positions they were in when the shot happened.

 

[Belinda]

I don't know a lot about guns, but my husband does. I am going to ask his opinion about that particular type of 9mm when he wakes up from his Sunday nap. Most seem to think the kickback isn't enough, but someone else did. I'm just interested in getting his take on it as well. Will post when I talk to him. He is very knowledgable about firearms in general.

 

[LambChop]

That is why I tend to believe Police have good reason not to arrest GZ.

The problem is do they have all the evidence. They never returned witness calls to give a statement. Mary C. claims she made numerous calls to LE that were unreturned and TM was killed right off of her back porch. That is not normal for a homocide investigation. jmo

 

[Isabelle]

Just read article saying GZ cried and cried and cried after the incident. Also stated he asked his friends to speak for him, but they refused to, fearing for their safety.

 

[ynotdivein]

Hi peeps, just a reminder that if you post a picture you must provide a link to it. This is a copyright issue just like the 10% rule. Unlinked pix will have to be deleted. :tyou:

 

[songline]

Well, if someone is following you, do you want them to know where you live? Many times when the police give talks on personal safety they will tell you that if you're followed, go to a well-lit place with people around. DON'T go home-you don't want them to know where you live! So there's a logical reason why he wouldn't head that direction.

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TRUE - you would not want them to know.

 

[SuziQ]

Common... he would touch him because he was a proud young black man who was not going to act like a sissy.

How do you know that GZ grabbed a hold of him???
No body ever eluded to this, we are going to have to connect the dots…
BUT sadly Again the legal system did not do a good job of recording anything in a timely way.

Proud young men period. The black part was unnecessary IMO. And so what if Trayvon fought back. I would too if a creep followed me in his car and suddenly he was there after I tried to get away from him. Trayvon's threat was suddenly close enough to ask a question. Trayvon was trying to get away from GZ. GZ's own words back this up. GZ's own words show intent and frame of mind. He wasn't going to let this *advertiser censored****** an effing ****s get away.

 

[mikeysmommom]

Still would be the stomach area and TM would have had a chance of survival. Heart area is meant to kill. GZ had training, did he not, in how to handle a gun. Qualified on the shooting range, IMO. The mass area is the same for the stomach, plus if they were both down on the ground the gun would have had to have been pressed up against TM's chest. On the ground I would think the stomach area would have been much closer with only a 3 inch difference in height. Sure wish we had those autopsy reports. jmo

http://www.ksdk.com/news/world/arti...Stand-Your-Ground-law-is-free-pass-for-murder

A tennis player at the park, Michael Whitt, testified things turned ugly when Dooley reached for his waistband. Whitt said James then lunged at Dooley. The two men struggled on the ground before James was shot once through the heart. On the 911 call, Whitt is heard trying to help. Shooter is Black,Victim is White.