FL FL - Adji Desir, 6, Immokalee, 10 Jan 2009 - #2

[Salem]

I can't find a link for the RSOs so I'll try doing another search.

Salem

 

[nanny1]

Sorry to quote myself - but I wanted to finish my thought process here. I have checked in at the astrology thread and see that Tuba has further clarified that this person is probably an accomplished horseman.

My thought is that an email be sent to LE explaining that we have a forensic astrology thread that is often very accurate and while we do not ususally send messages to LE based on the thread, in Adji's case we thought it might be worth a try. And then explain that it appears Adji may have met up with someone, possibely someone he knew or had visited previously, that has access to horses. Either owns them or takes care of them or just lives near them. The person is older and generally thought to be strange by others in the neighborhood.

What do you think? Does that sound like a good approach? We are not supposed to name websleuths, so I'll find a way around that when explaining the forensic astro thread. I need to go back and re-read Tuba's chart. Also, I think a map of the area is warranted. I think there is one in one of the earlier threads. I'll have to go look.

Salem

Salem you may also want to mention that the person may be in poor health.

 

[Salem]

Okay I see 3 that are older and have committed crimes against children. I'll try to post the links to their pages:

Quiroz: http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=39394 903 Pine Street.

Reveron: http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=15722 1743 Elm Hammock Circle.

Robles: http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=5657 407 16th Street, SE

Rodriguez: http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=42367 306 S. 3rd Street.

Velazquez: http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=57255 102 New Market Road.

There are others, these were just the oldest ones. Do we have any idea what Adji's actual address is?

Thanks,

Salem

 

[elepher50]

The only one that I have found close by is 1.3 kilometers(sorry) - about 3 minutes from where the Farm Market location is in Immokalee, Florida.

It is the Four H Ranches Rodeo located at 1201 State Road 29 S, Immokalee.

Just so thrilled that there is actually something to look for now. Trying to find out more information on this now (owners/workers, etc).

 

[elepher50]

This may be a good starting point for us - list of the ranches in Immokalee. I have had no luck yet on finding out more information on the Four H Ranches Rodeo in Immokalee.

Have to catch some zzzzzzzzz's - so if anyone cannot sleep, this may be a good place to start.

Will be back on tomorrow to help do some more research.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

Reveron: http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=15722 1743 Elm Hammock Circle.

The one registered sex offender living in Farm Worker Village, 51-year-old Luis Reveron, was outside smoking a cigarette and fixing a truck in front of his home at 1743 Elm Hammock Circle on Friday morning. He said through a translator that he has been questioned twice by investigators.

Revorn said he was at the casino Saturday night when Adji disappeared.

Velazquez: http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=57255 102 New Market Road.

This guys last offense? On a developmentally disabled girl.

There are others, these were just the oldest ones. Do we have any idea what Adji's actual address is?

I THINK the address is 2225 Chadwick Circle. I can't tell for sure, but that's the one that keeps popping up.

Thanks,

Salem

Respectfully snipped. Red responses are mine.

The one RSO actually inside Farm Workers Village has been mentioned. Apparently he has an alibi.

I Googled, but couldn't find any specifc connections to any of them and horses.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

I'm not sure how to directly bring a post over from Adji's first thread, but while reading back through, I found this and wanted to bump it up. Particularly the part about the land that is leased out, and allowing people to have livestock. Presumably, horses could also be kept. I'm sure CCSO wouldn't have a hard time seeing who leases from the Collier family, and who owns any horses out there. Bolding is done by me.

I am from Naples and the area they are looking in I guess you would say is quite rural. Immakolee itself has a population of approximately 20,000 people. The area is very poor and many illegals take up residence there. I believe that I read some where that there are 19 registered sex offenders in the area.
What is very concerning to me is there is a lot of undeveloped land out that direction. This land is owned by the Collier family and has been left undeveloped. I am not sure the size of the area but, I do know that it is very large! (miles and miles)The family leases the land to people and allows them to place small hunting shacks and trailers out there. It is actually very nice people are permitted to have cattle, livestock, go hunting , fishing, ride four wheelers, swamp buggies ect... and are able to use it like it is there own. We have several friends that are invovlved in this and we have been to their "ranch" several times. Infact my husband and son are going with a group of guys out there to spend the night tonight. These "ranches" in Immakolee are out in the middle of nowhere. You can drive forever on a paved road and then turn off on to dirt roads that travel for miles. As I said there is hunting, it is not unusual when out there to see wild boar, clack panthers, cyotes and gators not to mention snakes. I don't know what else is out there. I would guess there are squatters located in areas that no one is aware of! I can not imagine that this child would have wandered this far out of town but, if he was abducted he could be taken and disposed of there and I can't imagine he would ever be found! I pray that this is not the case but, I have a sick feeling deep in the pit of my stomach!

 

[dreamweaver]

Farm Worker Village home at 814 Grace St.:: Adji was playing out side his grandmother's home at this address.

Farm Workers Village
2225 Chadwick Cir
Immokalee, FL 34142
(239) 657-5174

Hope this helps.

 

[dreamweaver]

http://www.winknews.com/news/local/50509357.html 07/09

 

[elepher50]

Here is a map showing the addresses provided by dreamweaver:

 

[daisy7]

Right next to the 4 H ranches is the Seminole Youth and 4H. And, Seminole Brand Ropes is listed at the same address.

http://www.whitepages.com/search/FindNeighbors?street=1201+State+Road+29+S&where=Immokalee,+FL+34142

A search on yahoo, shows "Seminole Brand Ropes" as a youth organization, but there's also some other links

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p="s...1&b=11&xa=9zR9aZM7ouscPG2fwjJuBw--,1251724640

 

[Salem]

Farm Worker Village home at 814 Grace St.:: Adji was playing out side his grandmother's home at this address.

Farm Workers Village
2225 Chadwick Cir
Immokalee, FL 34142
(239) 657-5174

Hope this helps.

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! :dance::dance:

Salem

 

[Salem]

Here's a map from 4 H Ranches to Adji's house. It looks to far to me for Adji to have walked and to have done it very often. But....

http://maps.google.com/maps?daddr=8...85474&sspn=0.008514,0.012574&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=15

Salem

 

[elepher50]

Right next to the 4 H ranches is the Seminole Youth and 4H. And, Seminole Brand Ropes is listed at the same address.

http://www.whitepages.com/search/FindNeighbors?street=1201+State+Road+29+S&where=Immokalee,+FL+34142

A search on yahoo, shows "Seminole Brand Ropes" as a youth organization, but there's also some other links

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p="s...1&b=11&xa=9zR9aZM7ouscPG2fwjJuBw--,1251724640

Oh .. Daisy7 you got me on that link - I didn't open the site BUT.... I get what you mean now :sick:

 

[daisy7]

This is pure speculation, but it is possible that Farm Workers Village would transport kids to either of the 2 ranches that are listed as youth-serving organizations for various activities. I've spent a lot of time looking them up, and can't find anything that describes what they do, just the address and such in directories. I couldn't even fnd a listing for them on www.sunbiz.org.

 

[elepher50]

Here's a map from 4 H Ranches to Adji's house. It looks to far to me for Adji to have walked and to have done it very often. But....

http://maps.google.com/maps?daddr=8...85474&sspn=0.008514,0.012574&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=15

Salem

1.2 miles from point to point .... it may be possible he wandered off in that direction by himself but maybe he was enticed by someone with the promise of spending some time with horses.

 

[Salem]

Here's a map showing all the ranches dreamweaver listed and both Adji's house on Chadwick and Gramma's house on Grace: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=4451+County+Rd-846,+Immokalee,+Collier,+Florida+34142&daddr=814+Grace+Street,+Immokalee,+FL+33901+to:1201+State+Road+29+S+to:2424+Thorp+Road+to:3151+County+Road-846+to:2225+Chadwick+Circle&geocode=Fd0fkwEdlU8m-w%3B%3B%3B%3B%3B&hl=en&mra=ls&sll=26.377107,-81.315308&sspn=0.545026,0.804749&ie=UTF8&ll=26.405401,-81.369381&spn=0.068112,0.100594&t=k&z=13

I would think that Adji would have had to be within walking distance of the horses. All of these places are fairly close by and if the horses are kept along the boundaries of the properties, Adji could have walked to them?

Salem

 

[elepher50]

Here's a map showing all the ranches dreamweaver listed and both Adji's house on Chadwick and Gramma's house on Grace: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=4451+County+Rd-846,+Immokalee,+Collier,+Florida+34142&daddr=814+Grace+Street,+Immokalee,+FL+33901+to:1201+State+Road+29+S+to:2424+Thorp+Road+to:3151+County+Road-846+to:2225+Chadwick+Circle&geocode=Fd0fkwEdlU8m-w%3B%3B%3B%3B%3B&hl=en&mra=ls&sll=26.377107,-81.315308&sspn=0.545026,0.804749&ie=UTF8&ll=26.405401,-81.369381&spn=0.068112,0.100594&t=k&z=13

I would think that Adji would have had to be within walking distance of the horses. All of these places are fairly close by and if the horses are kept along the boundaries of the properties, Adji could have walked to them?

Salem

Thanks Salem - this puts it into perspective really well. Question about one area on the map you posted which really sticks out to me - I have taken a snap of your map and red circled the area - do you recall what is in this area?

 

[elepher50]

Tuba has posted a new chart on the Case Briefings Thread in the Astro Forum based on correct date and time for Adji. There are some more insights in the chart - I am not good at interpreting them but there are probably some nuggets of information that we can use.

 

[dreamweaver]

I have been reading some of first news reports and the inital postings on different forums. The first reports read that Adji was in his bedroom watching tv, then wanted to go outside.
First reports also say that he went missing about 7:30pm.


But, later reports say he was playing outside with other children and was noticed missing when his step father came to pick him up around 5pm.
Family began a search for him and then called the police about two hours laters, 7:15pm.

http://www.news-press.com/article/20...901130364/1075
'''snipped'''
'They used all-terrain vehicles, dogs, horses and helicopters with infrared technology to detect body heat because the area around Farm Workers Village is heavily wooded.'
------
It might be worthwhile to call LE and report the astrology chart reading and the horse connection.
They may know already that someone was there that day with a horse or horses.