FL FL - Bryan Hayes, 13, & Mark Degner, 12, Jacksonville, 10 Feb 2005

[summer_breeze]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/topst...---8-years-later?odyssey=tab|topnews|bc|large

8:45 PM, Feb 10, 2013

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - Eight years after two teenage boys disappeared from a Jacksonville middle school, their families still dream of seeing them again.

 

[Gypseagirl]

lease:I hope they are safe wherever they are. I hope they come home soon. lease:

 

[marycarney]

Never heard of this case before today- how awful!!!

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

I can't believe that after 8+ years, Bryan and Mark are still labeled as runaways. They would be 21 and 20 now. So sad.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

10 Cases Of Students Vanishing From Their Schools

6- Bryan Hayes, Mark Denger

Thirteen-year-old Bryan Hayes and 12-year-old Mark Degner were developmentally disabled special needs students at Paxon Middle School in Jacksonville, Florida and happened to be best friends. At approximately 1:15 PM on February 10, 2005, the two boys got into an argument with a teacher and decided to run out of the school. A witness apparently saw Bryan getting into a car outside the building. Neither of the two boys has ever been seen again.

It was initially believed that both Bryan and Mark had chosen to run away. They had apparently told friends about their intentions to run away and a third boy was even planning to go with them before he ultimately backed out. The day before their disappearance, Bryan and Mark had been caught trying to sneak away from their bus after school ended. However, neither of them took any personal belongings, and their book bags and Bryan’s coat were left behind at the school. Both boys suffered from bipolar disorder, requiring daily medication to control their condition, but they did not have this medication with them when they disappeared. There were reported sightings of Bryan and Mark in Holly Hill, Florida two months later, but police could not find them there. Sadly, after eight years, there is still no trace of the two missing boys.

http://listverse.com/2013/07/11/10-cases-of-students-vanishing-from-their-schools/

 

[Merry]

Bump.

 

[London]

I've just come across this story, it's unbelievable. Just a 12 and 13 year old when they went missing. Thinking of them tonight, hoping they are safe somewhere.

 

[JerseyGirl]

February 10 marks ten years missing.

Age-progression photos:


Bryan Hayes (pictured)


Mark Degner (pictured)

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/n...ression-photos-missing-12-year-olds-re/nj7gw/

Degner and Hayes would be in their early 20s now. Anyone with information is asked to call the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office at (904) 630-0500.

 

[QueenD]

I always wondered what happened to these 2 boys. So sad for their families.




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[Jennibee]

10 years is such a long time. What happened to them? I'm stumped by this case.


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[LostInAustin]

Just a reminder that Bryan's thumb was broken when he disappeared, and he was wearing a blue cast.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/hayes_bryan.html

 

[JerseyGirl]

Rally for missing boys

http://www.news4jax.com/news/former-captive-bringing-hope-to-families-of-missing/35966962

 

[JusticeWillBeServed]

Families still holding out hope 11 years after boys disappear

Bryan Hayes and Mark Degner disappeared 11 years ago on Wednesday, they were last seen in 2005 at Paxon Middle School.

Families of the boys say it has been a long 11 years with no tips, leads or information into the disappearance of the boys.

Missing boys' families plead for information on anniversary

 

[aThousandYearsWide]

Under supervised special education class?
Two special education students go missing after running out of class after an argument with their teacher. Something about that doesn't sit well with me. My mother works with special education students sometimes when she substitutes, and they usually have more than one teacher supervising the students since the children need more attention due to their disabilities. That being said, if there were multiple teachers in the room, wouldn't one of them go after them when they ran? And concerning the sighting of Bryan possibly getting into a vehicle, don't most schools have surveillance cameras around the premises?

The Sighting over a month later
Police have a confirmed sighting of the boys in April 2005 in the vicinity of Holly Hill, Florida which is approximately an hour and thirty minutes to two hours away from Jacksonville, Florida. If they went missing on February 10th, that means they were at least alive a month and a half to two months after their disappearances. Concerning their disabilities, they wouldn't be able to survive very long by themselves which leads to the assumption that someone was concealing them. It makes me sick to think of a pedophile taking advantage of them because of their cognitive delays. They both had the mental capabilities of a 8-10 year old child, which is a pretty vulnerable age. Also of note, they both were without their medications, and they probably were experiencing withdraws which may have made them hard to deal with for their captor. I have a family friend that I grew up with that is developmentally delayed, she has the mental capabilities of an 8 year old, much like the two boys. Every-time they changed the dosage of her medication she would have mood swings and tandrum-like fits. I couldn't imagine the withdrawal off such meds if the dosage change is so impacting.

Questions I have regarding this case:
1) The car -
If the car sighting is correct, that involves someone assisting them running away. Since they failed their first attempt the day before would they have contacted the same person to pick them up? Did anyone see a car parked waiting for someone the day before? And was there any sightings of a car waiting for someone the day of the disappearance?
2) Phone records -
Did either of the boys own a cell phone and were their home-phone records looked at? If they really did get into a car, how would that person know to pick him up? They'd have to contact them somehow.
3) The third boy that was going to run away with them -
I figure they interviewed him exclusively. Did they ask him if anyone else was involved? Did they have any destination in mind? (I personally don't think it was too planned out) Also what was their motive for running away (if they had any)?
4) The Holly Hill sighting in April 2005 -
What were the boys doing when they were seen? And were they with anyone? What condition were they in, like were they seen in different clothing then when they went missing? Were they dirty or seemed cared for? Etc.
5) Their family -
Did their family remember anything strange before they went missing? Like a new "friend" they had talked about or called? How supervised were they at home? Does either of them have any relatives or connections to Holly Hill or nearby where they were last seen?

 

[aThousandYearsWide]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...onville-sheriff-office-bryan-reported-missing

This article from July of 2005 answers some of my questions.

About the schools lack of effort

"Relatives say police and school officials did not act quickly enough or with enough manpower in the first hours after the boys were reported missing.."

"School officials should have called police when the boys left the campus, Alligood [Mark's mother] said, but instead they left a message for a school resource officer."

About some events/behaviors prior to their disappearance

"Not long before the disappearance, Mark let a man at a park borrow his bike, she [Mark's mother] said, and he was surprised when the man never brought it back. Mark would likely be the first person to follow a stranger to help find a lost pet, Alligood said."

The article also mentions something of concern, with the schools delay in taking the issue to the police, Bryan wasn't listed as missing until 6 pm, nearly 5 hours after he disappeared, and Mark wasn't listed until 9 pm when his mom got off of work.

Listed Missing
Bryan- 5 hours after disappearance
Mark- 8 hours after disappearance

With missing children, the investigation is crucial early on for recovery; however, authorities didn't start intense searches until EIGHT days after their disappearances! Especially since they were in special education this angers me, because those children require more attention and their school just allowed two disabled children to run off without calling the police. Their school failed them and authorities failed them. What also makes me mad is the delay in the authorities investigation in this case. Just because they planned to runaway and there was no evidence of foul play doesn't excuse anything, they still were both children, disabled, and made vulnerable due to their conditions. It's just a shame.

 

[JerseyGirl]

still missing: http://staugustine.com/news-local-news/2017-01-09/baseball-keeps-memory-missing-children-alive

 

[JusticeWillBeServed]

Families remain hopeful after 12-year disappearance of two local boys

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/families-remain-hopeful-after-12-year-disappearance-of-two-local-boys/493024640

“It is very difficult, and it doesn’t get any easier. It’s the very same as the first day he went missing, because we have no answers,” said Darlene Briggs, Mark’s grandmother.

The family tells Action News Jax the boys both have medical conditions that required daily medications. “Our family changed forever that day Mark and Bryan walked out of that school,” says Angie Campbell, Mark’s aunt.

“We will not give up hope,” Campbell said.

The 12 balloons released Friday represent how many years the families have been pushing for answers, and holding onto hope.“We are going to keep on doing what we have to do until the day that they are there,” Campbell says.

Balloon release honors missing boys

 

[JusticeWillBeServed]

:bump:

From last week:

Could arrest in 23-year-old murder help other missing persons cases?

http://www.news4jax.com/news/closure-in-23-year-old-missing-person-case

Tuesday's arrest of Ronnie Hyde, accused of killing a teenage boy reported missing 23 years ago, has people asking about other unsolved homicide cases, including the disappearance of two Jacksonville middle-school students 12 years ago.

Mark Degner, 12, and Bryan Hayes, 13 were last seen leaving Paxon Middle School together on Feb. 10, 2005. That's about 8 miles away from Hyde's property in the Talleyrand neighborhood that the FBI spent the last two days searching in their investigation into the death of 16-year-old Fred Laster, a Nassau County boy who went missing in Jacksonville.

Members of Degner's family said Wednesday that had not heard from the FBI and were in tears when they learned about Laster's death.

Degner's mother, Linda Alligood, said she hopes, like Lasters' family, she will get closure soon as well.

"Hoping they come home. Hoping they just find them well and alive and they just didn't want to come home," Alligood said.

The investigation into what happened to Degner and Hayes has baffled Jacksonville police since the beginning. Degner's aunt, Pamela Cantrell, said she is worried that the location of the school and Hyde’s property are in close proximity.

"(My) first reaction was he's 8 miles away from where my nephew was abducted, or ran away, or whatever happened to him -- and his home was right there," Cantrell said. "Then to find out that not long before that he took another child's life, and the only thing they found was the child's torso."

 

[JerseyGirl]

Missing children remembered at the state capitol

 

[momrids6]

New age progression: New age progression photos released 15 years after boys disappeared outside school