CR kept poking the bear and then is surprised at Chad’s reaction. Move your seat, old man. I missed the testimony of the manager…what was his response to CR when he went out to complain? Did he just tell him to return to his seat??
He was a rude cocky guy who should have just put the phone away. If CR was so bothered by it just put it away or move. No question or dispute on that but CR is a big boy and has heard far worse...again if it was so devastating just move. His wife asked him to do just that but I don't think CR often listened to Viv.Just FYI. I'm not replying to your post specifically, I'm simply just using the word you chose (bear) to ask questions.
I've never quite understood why Oulsen was the "bear" with his initial response. And, I've never quite understood why he didn't simply respond with something like, "Oh, I'm sorry... I was on the phone due to an emergency". Did Reeves "deserve" the reply he got from Oulsen because Reeves didn't ask as politely as possible?
Though I admit that Florida can deliver some strange self defense verdicts (Trayvon Martin, this case), Florida juries also rejected the self defense claims of the "Parking Lot vigilante" and "Loud Music" shooters.
Florida 'Loud Music' Shooter Michael Dunn Gets Life In Prison
Florida Man Who Shot And Killed A Black Man Over Parking Dispute Gets 20 Years
A Florida prosecutor is also pursuing murder charges against a creatively manipulative tow truck owner citing his uhmm...."bidness" practices constituted "bait" that led to a contrived self defense claim:
Florida tow truck owner shoots, kills driver in tow yard brawl, deputies say
In the end, I think though Florida quirkiness was a factor in the verdict, attorney skill was a larger factor. I have a suspicion that the defense hired a defensive "A team"- though I have no idea where he got the funds for that.
This defensive "A team" then went up against competent, but "Ordinary Joe" prosecutors and beat them in every inning from motions, to juror selection to trial arguments.
Though I admit that Florida can deliver some strange self defense verdicts (Trayvon Martin, this case), Florida juries also rejected the self defense claims of the "Parking Lot vigilante" and "Loud Music" shooters.
Florida 'Loud Music' Shooter Michael Dunn Gets Life In Prison
Florida Man Who Shot And Killed A Black Man Over Parking Dispute Gets 20 Years
A Florida prosecutor is also pursuing murder charges against a creatively manipulative tow truck owner citing his uhmm...."bidness" practices constituted "bait" that led to a contrived self defense claim:
Florida tow truck owner shoots, kills driver in tow yard brawl, deputies say
In the end, I think though Florida quirkiness was a factor in the verdict, attorney skill was a larger factor. I have a suspicion that the defense hired a defensive "A team"- though I have no idea where he got the funds for that.
This defensive "A team" then went up against competent, but "Ordinary Joe" prosecutors and beat them in every inning from motions, to juror selection to trial arguments.
the going on about the "wedding" was bad...I think given they seem to expect the verdict and that he killed a man...just leave and go high five and celebrate in private. They is no end to the lack of class of that group in my opinion.Here's the interview with Reeves' attorney
2/25/22 Curtis Reeves' Defense Attorneys Speak to Court TV - Court TV
the going on about the "wedding" was bad...I think given they seem to expect the verdict and that he killed a man...just leave and go high five and celebrate in private. They is no end to the lack of class of that group in my opinion.
They were following judge’s orders to ‘have a wonderful time.’the going on about the "wedding" was bad...I think given they seem to expect the verdict and that he killed a man...just leave and go high five and celebrate in private. They is no end to the lack of class of that group in my opinion.
!!!! I am sure she was partying too and bet she is invited to the big wedding today...wonder if media will be there too to see CR walk his lovely daughter down the aisle...guns encouraged at the event.They were following judge’s orders to ‘have a wonderful time.’
My first step into this thread but I have been watching the trial all along on Court TV. I wondered myself about CR's wife and also kids, his family - I think he most likely ruled a household with an iron fist. I do believe he was used to giving orders and those orders being obeyed. The testimony about his son "ordering" someone seemed to be a chip off the old block.
I watched until late afternoon yesterday fully believing it would be another day or more to hear a verdict. So hearing (reading about) this today surprised me. I very much thought he would be convicted. A light sentence would not have surprised me but the verdict did.
I too feel that the after comments were insensitive. Where was the victim in any of this? They could have at the very least acknowledged a man died. And who cares that he (CR) will get to walk his daughter down the aisle the next day.
Yes, Curtis Reeves defendant is who I was referring to.The victim is Curtis.
Jury was to "check only one" finding as to each count.I too am very shocked. I don't get it at all.
I do have a question if anyone knows. I thought they had to decide NG/G on the 2nd degree charge as well as a Manslaughter charge? I thought the jury had to decide his guilt on both of those charges? Did I miss something somewhere?
moo/imo/etc.
At minimum they should have checked b under count 1. Now I get why nothing said.Jury was to "check only one" finding as to each count.
Below is the format for the verdict form, and it's what I recall hearing as the judge read the jury instructions - including the errors she stumbled over that still needed correction regarding 'a' and 'b' sections:
http://www.floridalawweekly.com/forms/sc19-1806.pdf
Supreme Court of Florida
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No. SC19-1806
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IN RE: STANDARD JURY INSTRUCTIONS IN CRIMINAL CASES—
REPORT 2019-11.
February 27, 2020
Page 6:
Verdict form for multiple counts, single defendant.
We, the jury, find as follows, as to Count I of the charge: (check only one as to this count)
___a. The defendant is guilty of (crime charged).
___b. The defendant is guilty of (a lesser included offense).
___c. The defendant is not guilty.
We, the jury, find as follows, as to Count II of the charge: (check only one as to this count)
___a. The defendant is guilty of (crime charged).
___b. The defendant is not guilty.
Yes, Chad physically attacked Curtis, and (per defense attorney) Curtis was victim of:The jury has decided that Curtis was the victim and Chad was his assailant.
Defense Attorney:
Aggravated Battery
Felony Battery on Person 65 years of age or older
Robbery
FL v. Curtis Reeves Trial Day 4 - Defense Motion For Acquittal
Feb 17, 2022
As someone who lives in this area the community is not behind CR and are quite angry and upset that he was found not guilty. The blame is placed on the judge.i would love to get the demographics of the jury on this one. My opinion was that if some are older (over 60) and I think they were ...the age defense would not fly...I am older and can't imagine thinking I have any more right to do what CR did when I could have moved seats or brought a manager in. Apparently the jury had empathy and "sympathy" for this guy just like the instructions say not to. Then you have to think in that short period of time they ate dinner (judge had said we will provide dinner) chose a foreperson and discussed the case. They had to be 100% in agreement to get the paperwork etc. done and be out of there that quick. Someone elsewhere made a comment that this community is behind CR and much has to do with the "blue wall" or some such reference to his police background. I think the judge is right there with him...they almost treated him differently as he had been with the Tampa PD. A reasonable person (at least my opinion) is all that police background would have put him in a better spot to diffuse the situation and was the reason I was a solid Guilty.
Thank you for stating that...makes me feel better...would agree the judge sure did not do a good job of being fair....I had some hope even with all the pro defense rulings because to me it seemed like such a simple case.As someone who lives in this area the community is not behind CR and are quite angry and upset that he was found not guilty. The blame is placed on the judge.
JMO and all that.