GUILTY FL - Cherish Perrywinkle, 8, Jacksonville, 21 June 2013 #3

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I think a good number of us researched BJ--- we just didn't post what we found because we try our best to abide by the rules.
 
neenna66 said:
If a parent lost a child in a fire would we say she is blaming the victim if the child was not where the parent thought that child was (child ran from one room to another) if that parent made a statement, I don't know why she left her room.

Spellcheck utilized so I do not miss any vowels, and making sure auto correct does not change any words either.
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im not sure im following you...
 
I had posted a very long answer and after reading the comments decided to erase it. I will take my concern for cherish and her family, the people she loved elsewhere. I am sorry I cannot have my opinion about this or ask a question about people's actions in this. And by people I mean the main players in cherish's life. Because they all played a part in this no matter where they were.
 
neenna66 said:
No I do not know her. I just want to understand. And i vocalize that when I don't understand things. DS can never be understood. He is a monster. Rayne has her own issues I am sure. So does everyone in this case. Maybe I shouldn't have done as much research on this case. Maybe then I wouldn't see things. But I feel forall of these people. Is that so wrong? Would I do what she did? No. But I am not her, none of us are. So how can we judge her? MOO...
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I think the desire to empathize and understand and try to see the good in people and not be judgmental is an admirable trait but I have to admit that in this case I have difficulty in doing all that at the same time. I remember the discussion we had the other day, about how these people can be good parents in their own way and I can think that for a second. Then I start trying to understand why anyone would let their daughter walk off in the night with a stranger who had already been deemed creepy, and I can do that too but to understand I have to picture a person with HUGE issues. Then I try to combine the two viewpoints and to see that person with those huge issues as a good parent who should be allowed to have custody of children and I stumble.
 
neenna66 said:
I had posted a very long answer and after reading the comments decided to erase it. I will take my concern for cherish and her family, the people she loved elsewhere. I am sorry I cannot have my opinion about this or ask a question about people's actions in this. And by people I mean the main players in cherish's life. Because they all played a part in this no matter where they were.
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It is very hard for me to understand how anybody else but Donald Smith and RP can be blamed for what happened. If Donald Smith hadn't been at the shop that night this wouldn't have happened. If RP hadn't been at the shop that night this would not have happened. If she had said thanks but no thanks and children, stay close we must go now to this would not have happened.

I don't see what anyone else could have done to change the course of the events.
Yeah, the court could have given custody to BJ so Cherish wouldn't have been at the shop but if I understood your earlier posts right you thought that they shouldn't have done that and no one should even have been seeking to take custody away from RP but the extended family should just have been working together and giving her lots of money.
 
Donjeta said:
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/...t-daughter-Cherish-Perrywinkles-disappearance

What do you reckon this means? No one would have ever found her..? She was found just hours later.
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What a strange thing for her to say.

"Please not in a box," Perrywinkle said to officers, hoping they would find her child alive. She was told by officers that the suspect's previous charges were never for murder, but Perrywinkle said something inside her told her Cherish would not be found alive.
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"Not in a box" is strange but the last line gets me. She suddenly developed mother's intuition AFTER she sent her child off with a SO?
 
vasportsmom said:
What a strange thing for her to say.



"Not in a box" is strange but the last line gets me. She suddenly developed mother's intuition AFTER she sent her child off with a SO?
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Omg, some of the quotes or paraphrases in this article, just...omg. He told her she was safe?! :facepalm:
 
PlainJaneDoe said:
Omg, some of the quotes or paraphrases in this article, just...omg. He told her she was safe?! :facepalm:
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He looked her in the FACE and ya know and a bad guy would never do that! Darn lying sex offenders, doing it wrong and ruining it for everyone.
 
vasportsmom said:
He looked her in the FACE and ya know and a bad guy would never do that! Darn lying sex offenders, doing it wrong and ruining it for everyone.
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Has anyone on here ever made a choice they ever regretted? I have. Thankfully none o those choices ever directly put me or my child in the position that RP and cherish are in. And I am ever so grateful for that. I will learn from her mistakes and from other mistakes, just like I hope that those who know me or meet me will learn from my mistakes. I am lucky and so is every parent who gets to tuck their kids in to bed tonight. RP doesn't get to do that and neither does BJ. And that stinks. And that is because DS is a monster and preyed on RP. And RP has to live with her choices every day for the rest of her life. Sometimes that is a worse punishment than prison.
 
PlainJaneDoe said:
Omg, some of the quotes or paraphrases in this article, just...omg. He told her she was safe?! :facepalm:
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Yep .. the creepy man with no back seats in his van, who made her feel uncomfortable and wanted to buy her daughter high heels, looked her in the face and said she was safe.

And she was safe.

Poor Cherish. :cry:
 
Totally O/T but you know you spend too much time here when you realize that you have found another WS member on FB based solely on the fact that you are friends with or following the same people and they are all attached to cases here.
 
There are cases here that I follow knowing "there but for the grace of <insert deity here> go I". This is NOT one of those cases. Cherish isn't dead because a monster got to her despite her parent's best efforts. Cherish isn't dead because RP did everything right and it wasn't enough. Cherish is dead because her mother didn't even make an effort. I don't know a single person that would have made the choices Rayne made that night. If she had did her job as a parent then BJ would be tucking his baby girl in tonight. Yes, DS may have got to another child and we would be reading about her now or maybe he would have gotten caught trying and would be behind bars for that alone. We will never know because Rayne led her child into the lions' den.
 
Do we know why RP left her daughter in Australia and came to America to start a new life?

I have and never will understand how any mother can walk off and leave a child! As if that is not one of the worst things a mother can do, RP took it one step further and did what none of us can believe with letting her next born daughter go off with a complete stranger!

Unfortunately, due to the publicity, my fear is that DSF was under pressure to remove the other two girls from her house. RP does not have the natural mother instinct in her and at her age, her choice of lifestyle, her past, it is not a thing to be developed. JMO

This is truly a case where it is NOT in the best interest of the remaining children to be in the custody of either of their parents! JMO :banghead:
 
1&2&3 said:
Do we know why RP left her daughter in Australia and came to America to start a new life?

I have and never will understand how any mother can walk off and leave a child! As if that is not one of the worst things a mother can do, RP took it one step further and did what none of us can believe with letting her next born daughter go off with a complete stranger!

Unfortunately, due to the publicity, my fear is that DSF was under pressure to remove the other two girls from her house. RP does not have the natural mother instinct in her and at her age, her choice of lifestyle, her past, it is not a thing to be developed. JMO

This is truly a case where it is NOT in the best interest of the remaining children to be in the custody of either of their parents! JMO :banghead:
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I think that her daughter discussed it on the FB page but I'm not sure that MSM ever reported it. I will see if I can find a link though.

I don't think that RP can be "helped" either. All the parenting classes in the world are useless if you lack the basics. Some women just are not cut out for parenting. My own mother walked off when I was 5 because she knew parenting wasn't her cup of tea. We have a decent relationship now that I'm an adult and she is a surprisingly devoted grandmother but full time parenting was a disaster for her (and likely would have been for my brothers & I if she had stayed). The remaining children need to be placed in a stable home where they can get the support they need to grow up in the shadow of this tragedy.
 
I am really tired of the Billy bashing. So what if he said bad things to the media about RP. It was all true, deserved and earned. Who cares if RP hasn't said anything bad..her actions speak volumes. DS and RP are responsible for Cherish's death. Period. If my child were dead because of my ex's irresponsible actions, I certainly wouldn't be giving them praise. Ever. JMO
 
PlainJaneDoe said:
Omg, some of the quotes or paraphrases in this article, just...omg. He told her she was safe?! :facepalm:
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I feel like she's trying to justify her actions on two fronts simultaneously. She's trying to respond to the people saying, Omg, hasn't she ever heard of stranger danger, how could she have been so stupid that she didn't realize he was up to no good.

And s she says, I did too realize it, I have even taught Cherish about stranger danger and I am not stupid, I did figure out he could have been up to no good, I thought that he was creepy and was uncomfortable around him all the time, even during the whole ride to Walmart in the creepy van and I hovered around him to make sure he didn't enter the dressing room (implying that she had realized he may have wanted to and also the reasons why and was not just being oblivious of the danger).

And then the obvious reaction to that is, why the hell did you let that creepy man anywhere near your daughters if you were so uncomfortable and even had a notion that he was trying to get an eyeful of Cherish in the dressing room. And she can't very well say that she thought the hundred dollars were worth it so she says he told her she was safe and that he came across as a family man.

And it's not really working for anyone because yeah... cause a murderer who is grooming you to get to you always tells you so...

I have made many choices in my life that I've come to regret later or almost immediately but the day I make the choice to put my children in a van with someone I suspect of being a pedophile and let one of them walk off with him to get me a cheeseburger y'all can just shoot me. There's no way I am going to be able to live with that.
 
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