FL FL - Clermont, WhtMale UP6030, 24-32, transgender, breast implants, Sep'88

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I highly suspect that Dr. Richard Mladick, and the Associates in Plastic Surgery was the reason why Gerald Bradshaw went to Virginia Beach, Virginia. The man was a notable pioneer in the field of cosmetic surgery, and made considerable innovations still used today. If you desired the cosmetic procedures the unidentified received, the Associates in Plastic Surgery is where you went. He even offered overnight rooms to his patients from all around the world:

Dr. Mladick is retiring. - Associates in Plastic Surgery

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I don't see any mention of Dr. Mladick working on transgender patients at all. His practice does not even appear to offer those type of surgeries currently. Mladick was apparently famous for his use of saline implants -- the UID's implants were silicone. This alone would exclude Mladick from being the UID's surgeon.
 
I don't see any mention of Dr. Mladick working on transgender patients at all. His practice does not even appear to offer those type of surgeries currently. Mladick was apparently famous for his use of saline implants -- the UID's implants were silicone. This alone would exclude Mladick from being the UID's surgeon.
That seems to be the case with regard to Dr. Richard Mladick. There were a collective of doctors in Virginia Beach, VA in the 1980s. I would suspect that the doctors with Associates In Plastic Surgery all primarily used saline implants.
 
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"Julie's" face is significantly longer and narrower than Gerald's. In order to get that look with surgery, Gerald would have needed a "jaw shave" (removal of bone material from the lower jaw) as well as possible orthodontic surgery, neither of which is mentioned in Julie's file. She also has a more prominent brow and a much longer philtrum that are consistent among her reconstructions. Facial feminization surgery would reduce those features because they're considered masculine.

I don't see any mention of Dr. Mladick working on transgender patients at all. His practice does not even appear to offer those type of surgeries currently. Mladick was apparently famous for his use of saline implants -- the UID's implants were silicone. This alone would exclude Mladick from being the UID's surgeon.

I can't deny you've both have given me plenty of great points to think about, and I'd be lying if I didn't say I may have gotten tunnel vision, and it does have me reconsidering. I do submit a lot of cases, and if either of you are interested, here are a few you may (or may not) like to review:

Pavel Kocsis
NV - NV - Multiple Sets of Human Remains Found in Lake Mead

Francis Anthony Rossana
NV - NV - Francis Anthony Rossana, 67, Las Vegas, 20 April 1989

James Scott Rawlings
WI - WI - James Scott Rawlings, 23, Mercer, March 8, 1986

Warren Michael Williams
VA - VA - Richmond, Valley Rd, Whtmale Pre70, UP72826, wearing hospital clothing, shoe nearby, Jul'20

Jackson Wade Orvin
FL - FL - Miramar, WhtMale UP1249, 21-35, silver ring w/ 'Kriegsgluck', Aug'84

Nick Marich
CA - CA - Nick Marich, 41, West Hollywood, 4 March 1977

William Joseph Shields
MN - MN - St Paul, GRAPHIC, WhtMale 20-40, UP12123, frozen in vacant bldg, layers of clothing, Feb'85


I suspect of all these cases, William Joseph Shields' will be the most difficult to accept, given William's younger face, and the vasoconstriction to the unidentified's face. I am actually going to be releasing a mashup (digital rendering) of William Joseph Shields, and the unidentified real soon.
 
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Possibility she wasn't raised by her biological family. Sounds like they suspect she may have been adopted/raised in foster care/an NPE - one or both parents being biologically different to those on paper, usually through affairs, donor conception, adoption or even a baby accidentally being swapped at birth. That always makes things way harder.
 
Possibility she wasn't raised by her biological family. Sounds like they suspect she may have been adopted/raised in foster care/an NPE - one or both parents being biologically different to those on paper, usually through affairs, donor conception, adoption or even a baby accidentally being swapped at birth. That always makes things way harder.
Family rejection also can't be ruled out. We know that she'd had gender affirming care years before she died. The possibility exists that the family decided to act as if she died or was never born, and would not have reached out to law enforcement even if they knew she was likely a homicide victim.

MOO
 
Family rejection also can't be ruled out. We know that she'd had gender affirming care years before she died. The possibility exists that the family decided to act as if she died or was never born, and would not have reached out to law enforcement even if they knew she was likely a homicide victim.

MOO
Yes, I think she unfortunately probably was rejected by her family which is why nobody has come forward. But the DNA Doe Project post specifies that there's a possibility she wasn't raised by her biological family. Since they're doing genetic genealogy on her, that makes me think they suspect that one of the reasons they're hitting roadblocks is that she's adopted etc. Like if they found a second cousin and looked into all of their family but didn't find any possibilities, then it's possible that Julie was adopted out of the family or that the connection might not be one that was on paper. Like if the second cousin's cousin was Julie's father but her mother had an affair, so he's not the father on paper and thus the biological connection wouldn't help and Julie wouldn't appear in any records for the cousin's family.
 
Yes, I think she unfortunately probably was rejected by her family which is why nobody has come forward. But the DNA Doe Project post specifies that there's a possibility she wasn't raised by her biological family. Since they're doing genetic genealogy on her, that makes me think they suspect that one of the reasons they're hitting roadblocks is that she's adopted etc. Like if they found a second cousin and looked into all of their family but didn't find any possibilities, then it's possible that Julie was adopted out of the family or that the connection might not be one that was on paper. Like if the second cousin's cousin was Julie's father but her mother had an affair, so he's not the father on paper and thus the biological connection wouldn't help and Julie wouldn't appear in any records for the cousin's family.
Fair enough.

So it is likely an adoption, foster, or NPE situation.

That might explain why she seems to have spent her life in Florida when her relatives are in another state.

But if she did come to Florida as a young adult or teen, it might have been to find greater access to accepting community and affirming health care. I don't know how many people were doing top surgery for transwomen in the '80's, but I think it's a safe bet there were more there than there were in Kentucky.

MOO
 
Fair enough.

So it is likely an adoption, foster, or NPE situation.

That might explain why she seems to have spent her life in Florida when her relatives are in another state.

But if she did come to Florida as a young adult or teen, it might have been to find greater access to accepting community and affirming health care. I don't know how many people were doing top surgery for transwomen in the '80's, but I think it's a safe bet there were more there than there were in Kentucky.

MOO
Also looks like she had bottom surgery and hormonal supplementation. Definitely rare in the 1970s and 1980s. She must have been living in Florida for many years. Was there a known trans community back in the day? It was different times.
 
Also looks like she had bottom surgery and hormonal supplementation. Definitely rare in the 1970s and 1980s. She must have been living in Florida for many years. Was there a known trans community back in the day? It was different times.
This is discussed in greater detail earlier in the thread (around pages 6-7), but we don't know if Julie had had bottom surgery. It was not noted at time of death that she did not have a uterus, ovaries, etc., if that gives any indication of the condition of the remains. She had had top surgery (implants were present) and a nose job, and pitting to her pelvis indicates that she had been on hormone therapy at some point (both skeletal changes), but beyond that, it's all speculation.
 

October 09, 2024 Michelle Taylor
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Part of the ad in question. Credit: DDP
''The DNA Doe Project (DDP) has had an official non-profit page on Facebook since 2019. They use it in a myriad of ways—always with the end goal of bringing attention to a specific John/Jane Doe case.

If you follow DNA Doe Project’s Facebook page, you’ve probably seen their graphic featuring a sketch of the Doe in the foreground with the words “Do You Recognize Me?” in red.''
 
This is discussed in greater detail earlier in the thread (around pages 6-7), but we don't know if Julie had had bottom surgery. It was not noted at time of death that she did not have a uterus, ovaries, etc., if that gives any indication of the condition of the remains. She had had top surgery (implants were present) and a nose job, and pitting to her pelvis indicates that she had been on hormone therapy at some point (both skeletal changes), but beyond that, it's all speculation.
I agree, decomp processes first affect the pelvic area, starting often within a day after death, depending on climate.

However, top surgery and a nosejob are already fairly extensive and distinctive, regardless whether she kept their male bits downstairs or not. Where in the 1970s could a male asab get top surgery AND hormonal therapy? It was a time where hormonal treatment was in its infancy. I think most transwomen went abroad to Brazil or Thailand back then for surgery
And the ones who got surgery were just very few. Was there an option to get it in the US? A lost piece of transgender history.
Also was there a transgender or genderqueer scene locally in the 70s and 80s? Gay and lesbian, sure, there was - not as well documented as it would deserve but it existed and was fairly vibrant. But was there a trans community or some lgbtq+ clubs open for everybody?
We need to bring this sweetheart home. Someone has to miss her.
 
I agree, decomp processes first affect the pelvic area, starting often within a day after death, depending on climate.

However, top surgery and a nosejob are already fairly extensive and distinctive, regardless whether she kept their male bits downstairs or not. Where in the 1970s could a male asab get top surgery AND hormonal therapy? It was a time where hormonal treatment was in its infancy. I think most transwomen went abroad to Brazil or Thailand back then for surgery
And the ones who got surgery were just very few. Was there an option to get it in the US? A lost piece of transgender history.
Also was there a transgender or genderqueer scene locally in the 70s and 80s? Gay and lesbian, sure, there was - not as well documented as it would deserve but it existed and was fairly vibrant. But was there a trans community or some lgbtq+ clubs open for everybody?
We need to bring this sweetheart home. Someone has to miss her.
Some medical history in the US

American Medical Assn link
 

October 09, 2024 Michelle Taylor
615429.jpg

Part of the ad in question. Credit: DDP
''The DNA Doe Project (DDP) has had an official non-profit page on Facebook since 2019. They use it in a myriad of ways—always with the end goal of bringing attention to a specific John/Jane Doe case.

If you follow DNA Doe Project’s Facebook page, you’ve probably seen their graphic featuring a sketch of the Doe in the foreground with the words “Do You Recognize Me?” in red.''
So now the DDP can't boost/advertise any posts at all? That's vile. Justice for Julie (and the cases in the DDP's safe hands!!)
 

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