FL - Daniel, 32, & Heather Kelsey, 30, found dead, Volusia County, 31 Dec 2016

[meanmaryjean]

What if (it was late) they were tired from driving, and pulled over for a litttle a nap, but did want some heat.



.....previously reported shorter half-time of elimination (t½) of carbon monoxide (CO) in females compared to males

If carbon Monoxide was it - one of em noticed yelled to other one to get out of the car too, the idea being to get some fresh air real quick before getting the kids out and the car off.

(the sneaky silent killer etc)--I thought of carbon monoxide pretty quickly, does anyone know (they took the kids to the ER) if that was what happened how long would elevated levels of CD would remain in the kids.

Maybe a leak was more intense in the front area - it was a SUV, and it did not look new??
There is something "creepy" about this at some angle tho

Body weight etc all plays into how fast one dies. Her being slumped over the car IMO is important but cant figure out how or why????

At some level it seems pretty well, dumb to be doing so serious drugs while driving with your kids in the back.

I tripped in my younger days and there is not way I would want to waste a trip trying to drive - just saying!!

It seems like the car was parked normally, I dont know what heroin feels like , but driving just does not seen like an activity one would want to .

Unless they were needing methadone to stay off heroin - just speculating

Unknown allergy - but two people??

In any COD that is not overtly violent it is so hard to grasp that two people, gender, weight, health history could just pass out.

I dont know have heroin addicts died in multiples before - seems like it would have to be too many variables to come together,

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.14814/phy2.12237/pdf

Carbon monoxide would affect the children sooner, and if they were still in the vehicle- would have also been unconscious. From all accounts- they were fine.

 

[Hatfield]

Such a tragic story.

Wondering if someone had spiked a drink solution wherever they were visiting and maybe they were unaware of it and drank way too much of it. Maybe someone wherever they were visiting spiked something and didnt tell others not realizing they mixed it too strong. Or only some knew about it and people forgot to tell the new people arriving if they were late to arrive at a get together.

The only thing I can think of that would make them get ill on the road like that is something swallowed or ingested.

Carbon monoxide is another possibility like others have mentioned.
I suppose it could affect just the poeple in front if exhaust somehow was getting up through the floorboard.

The only other thought is if they were outside the vehicle looking at a tire or something and someone hit them and it knocked them away from the vehicle and they managed to crawl back to their car and had internal injuries. Thats not too likely since LE should have seen scrapes or other injuries I would think unless they hit in the grass and maybe internal injuries only.

Such a sad story. Glad the kids are safe.

 

[Hatfield]

Carbon monoxide would affect the children sooner, and if they were still in the vehicle- would have also been unconscious. From all accounts- they were fine.

Wondering if there was ever any cases of Carbon Monoxide that came up through the front floorboard or engine firewall and affected just the front driver and front passenger ?

I agree with you that most likely all in the car would have been affected if Carbon Monoxide and just wondering if its possible that only the front people could get affected?

If engine was off when they were found they could have been overpowered by the fumes and shut the car off and crawled out and could not do much more than that. Maybe somehow the kids in back didnt breathe the fumes as much or had their windows cracked enough where it didnt affect them as much.

I am not sure if there ever was a case like that or not where just front people get affected.

 

[Hap]

A sad story. Hope the kids are young enough to not remember much in later years. I don't really see how it could be anything other than an OD? One feels bad, they stop the car... both get out feeling sick...

 

[Wagara]

Marking my spot. God bless those kids.

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[JerseyGirl]

Autopsies have not yet been scheduled by the medical examiner's office. There were few other details offered, but deputies did not immediately identify any obvious signs of foul play.

http://www.fox35orlando.com/news/local-news/226722284-story

:rose: RIP :rose:

 

[Armchair2]

God Bless the children

 

[CARIIS]

The hazards may have been left on by the perp to call attention to the children left in the vehicle

ewwwww when i first read this i thought ug oh someone who knew them?

 

[CARIIS]

Neither has a history of drug use.

Well. I didn't expect to read that. Now I feel bad for thinking they OD'd

I am not sure where that statement is coming from tho. The statement that things had been going well recently I think has huge implications.

They were visiting so the quotes about them not having addiction battles might not be relevant - how would someone living in another location know if someone was not using something??

Poison spider?

Snake?

I seem to lean toward carbon monoxide for some reason don't know why

Or murder-suicide which would explain the hazard lights - wanted the children safe-- at the end of the day.

 

[watergirl62]

From the 2014 Florida Morbidity Statistics Report.


I have attached the 2014 CO death stats (2 pages). Note that Volusia County has the highest number of incidents in 2014.

Related? No telling, but definitely interesting.






ETA: added pngs of report

 

[mrseeker]

What I think is odd is they were driving down apparently in the middle of the night. Ormond to Sanford is only about 45 mins. Of course they might have been sick on the side of the road for hours. Why drag the children out late at night when they could have driven up at a decent hour the next day? You would think they would have cell phones and would have called for help if they were conscious long enough. I guess we will have to wait on tox screens to solve this mystery.

 

[mrseeker]

From the 2014 Florida Morbidity Statistics Report.


I have attached the 2014 CO death stats (2 pages). Note that Volusia County has the highest number of incidents in 2014.

Related? No telling, but definitely interesting.

View attachment 107146View attachment 107148


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ETA: added pngs of report

I am guessing most carbon monoxide accidents are caused by placing generators too close to the house or garage or faulty household appliances. That would not be true for suicide of course.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

http://www.wftv.com/news/local/myst...-dead-3-children-unharmed-along-i-4/480472742

“It’s not for somebody else to make speculation before they know anything,” she said. “I know (them). If they were into anything, they would never do it around their kids. They were never like that.”

BBM

They would never do it around their kids... I think that says it all.

I've seen many drug-related cases here where family/friends said they never used.

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[meanmaryjean]

“It’s not for somebody else to make speculation before they know anything,” she said. “I know (them). If they were into anything, they would never do it around their kids. They were never like that.”

BBM

They would never do it around their kids... I think that says it all.

I've seen many drug-related cases here where family/friends said they never used.

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Agreed.

If it looks like a duck....

 

[liz b.]

I am not sure where that statement is coming from tho. The statement that things had been going well recently I think has huge implications.

They were visiting so the quotes about them not having addiction battles might not be relevant - how would someone living in another location know if someone was not using something??

Poison spider?

Snake?

I seem to lean toward carbon monoxide for some reason don't know why

Or murder-suicide which would explain the hazard lights - wanted the children safe-- at the end of the day.

A spider bite that was deadly would take a while to cause death ? And I think there would be swelling,redness etc. A snake bite would also be apparent. jmo

They were on their way to visit family in the area that they had moved from ? Was there some inner dynamic that might have triggered them to use again ?

 

[liz b.]

“It’s not for somebody else to make speculation before they know anything,” she said. “I know (them). If they were into anything, they would never do it around their kids. They were never like that.”

BBM

They would never do it around their kids... I think that says it all.

I've seen many drug-related cases here where family/friends said they never used.

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Noticed the quote about not using around their kids...

 

[mrseeker]

Based on the story they were heading east bound and stopped at mile marker 122. If they got on the interstate at sanford that is mile marker 104. They would be heading for Daytona and then either use the side roads or take 95 to Ormond. They would be 8 miles south of Daytona north of Deland. That stretch as I recall, has no exits for about 10 miles. IF they were traveling 65 I would think they would be about 15 mins north of the Sanford i-4 exit. They must have really been sick to know they could not make it another mile. You have to wonder if there was evidence of illness at the scene. Perhaps they took something or were given something at their "friends" house that evening and both got ill. They decided to go home at that point, perhaps also upset with their friend...as they drove home they just got sicker. Even if they had to work the next morning, they could have left at a decent hour with those kids. I am a little confused if they were heading to Sanford or returning, but their vehicle was found returning. I thought a story said they were traveling to see friends...does anyone know?

 

[missgulfsouth]

Noticed the quote about not using around their kids...

And just because they wouldn't "use" around their kids doesn't mean they wouldn't be high around them.

If that's what this ends up being, all I have to say is I'm positively sick to death of drug cases. I'd be willing to bet 75% of the adult cases here on WS involve drugs. SMH.

 

[Tssiemer]

I will wear ugly Crocs for the entire summer if this is not drug related.


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[Moxie Vi]

I will wear ugly Crocs for the entire summer if this is not drug related.


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I'll join you. It's the only explanation that fits neatly. Those poor children...