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I keep coming back to the way WA appears to me to be living very modestly, no separate bedrooms for the boys, no private school. Could it be that her lawyers have advised her not to take money from the parents? Or that she has distanced herself in this manner? It is strange, as the records we have seen appear to me to reflect that the Adelsons were capable of making 12 cash payments of 50k for their Vietnam villa. 50k is year if private school where I come from. There’s one entry in Donna’s calendar that says to buy one of the boys a mouth guard, but that’s all I’ve seen with respect to paying for anything for them. (W can’t afford a mouth guard?). And Donna does note all kinds of payments for Charlie, his commissary, his house, child support to Bri, and a Schwab fund for Roman. Could W have been advised not to take money from them? She has a different lawyer, and her text to her mother references the fact that her mother didn’t always agree with his advice.
They collect loads of cash every month on their rental properties. No one would know how they are paying Lauro. But the state probably needs records of how the attorneys are paid?
 
I keep coming back to the way WA appears to me to be living very modestly, no separate bedrooms for the boys, no private school. Could it be that her lawyers have advised her not to take money from the parents? Or that she has distanced herself in this manner?

I can't think of a better word really, but with WA I think a large part of her living a seemingly frugal life is lack of class. I sound snobby now and maybe she's just not materialistic, but the photos of her apartment showed someone that did not care for nice things. Bizarre, oddly placed pictures and maps of the world on the wall, old dated furniture. Nothing wrong with that, it's just more of an interesting insight into her persona.
 
I can't think of a better word really, but with WA I think a large part of her living a seemingly frugal life is lack of class. I sound snobby now and maybe she's just not materialistic, but the photos of her apartment showed someone that did not care for nice things. Bizarre, oddly placed pictures and maps of the world on the wall, old dated furniture. Nothing wrong with that, it's just more of an interesting insight into her persona.
True. But Donna just seems so controlling to me. Donna is not like that, Donna has high-end tastes, in my opinion. It’s strange to me that she did not pay for a different lifestyle for her daughter. Especially given the one she described in her emails regarding the relocation motion. There’s definitely an interesting relationship between mother and daughter - the daughter seems to have depended on the mother for babysitting, etc., before and especially after the murder. But, the mother does not appear to have been able to influence the daughter’s choices after the murder as much as she would have liked to. Yet, the daughter appears to have accepted the babysitting. Would that not come with a price, if not financial, than with a lot of manipulation? It fascinates me. Donna seems like a very controlling mother, and she seems to have been able to control W up to a point (pressuring her during the divorce, even helping to choose Dan for her, planning the wedding and not making it Kosher, getting Charlie to persuade her not to buy a house). But after the murder, the relationship to me seems to have changed, and W got more power, (she didn’t want to do what they wanted with respect to Dave, apparently, and didn’t) but also she was more dependent on them, it seems to me. To me it sounds like they were raising those boys. Per the new discovery, Family dinners continued weekly. Does any of this make sense? Who is controlling who, and who THINKS she is controlling who?
 
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I can't think of a better word really, but with WA I think a large part of her living a seemingly frugal life is lack of class. I sound snobby now and maybe she's just not materialistic, but the photos of her apartment showed someone that did not care for nice things. Bizarre, oddly placed pictures and maps of the world on the wall, old dated furniture. Nothing wrong with that, it's just more of an interesting insight into her persona.
What comes up now if you do a search is an inactive listing, and it’s for a sale not rent. There are photos. To me, it looks like it’s an old listing from before, when the unit may have been listed for sale. But, still, it looks like it’s W living there - some of the same furniture is there, same maps, same couch, same “sunshine” posters above the bed. But- it looks MUCH better to me, and there is more furniture and decor. I think maybe the move had already started when the most recent rental listing was put up.
 
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What comes up now if you do a search is an inactive listing, and it’s for a sale not rent. To me, it looks like it’s an old listing from before, when the unit may have been listed for sale. But, still, it looks like it’s W living there - some of the same furniture is there, same “sunshine” things above the bed, but it looks much better and there is more decor. I think maybe the move had already started when the most recent rental listing was put up.
Theres old listings and new.
A way to tell the difference is by Wendi’s duvet cover. Old listing are circles, new is solid
Also the family room. New listing has a desk with 2 mismatched chairs. Old has a bookshelf with lots of kids books I’d assume.
Lots of cheap florist type vases on the top of kitchen cabinets. (Probably flowers from admirers)-old listing.

The listing for sale 600K (and change), she ended up buying it from owner.
 
Theres old listings and new.
A way to tell he difference is by Wendi’s duvet cover. Old listing are circles, new is solid
Also the family room. New listing has a desk with 2 mismatched chairs. Old has a bookshelf with lots of kids books I’d assume.
Yep, I noticed that as well. That’s why I think the move had already begun when the more recent listing went up, and that’s why the apartment looks so sparse. She seems to have a track record, in my opinion, of moving out of places quickly and secretly.
 
Yep, I noticed that as well. That’s why I think the move had already begun when the more recent listing went up, and that’s why the apartment looks so sparse. She seems to have a track record, in my opinion, of moving out of places quickly and secretly.
Right. But as the kids grew, she put the bookshelf in her bedroom and got the boys a 2 seater desk.
You can find the original owners decor (the one before W) on the internet.
It was actually a nicely decorated place. A crib in the boys room. Looked staged.
 
True. But Donna just seems so controlling to me. Donna is not like that, Donna has high-end tastes, in my opinion. It’s strange to me that she did not pay for a different lifestyle for her daughter. Especially given the one she described in her emails regarding the relocation motion. There’s definitely an interesting relationship between mother and daughter - the daughter seems to have depended on the mother for babysitting, etc., before and especially after the murder. But, the mother does not appear to have been able to influence the daughter’s choices after the murder as much as she would have liked to. Yet, the daughter appears to have accepted the babysitting. Would that not come with a price, if not financial, than with a lot of manipulation? It fascinates me. Donna seems like a very controlling mother, and she seems to have been able to control W up to a point (pressuring her during the divorce, even helping to choose Dan for her, planning the wedding and not making it Kosher, getting Charlie to persuade her not to buy a house). But after the murder, the relationship to me seems to have changed, and W got more power, (she didn’t want to do what they wanted with respect to Dave, apparently, and didn’t) but also she was more dependent on them, it seems to me. To me it sounds like they were raising those boys. Per the new discovery, Family dinners continued weekly. Does any of this make sense? Who is controlling who, and who THINKS she is controlling who?
The family home imo was outdated 1980’s when they sold it.
Just because people have money, doesn’t mean they have taste.
Charlies home was also outdated and lacked taste in decor.
 
I keep coming back to the way WA appears to me to be living very modestly, no separate bedrooms for the boys, no private school. Could it be that her lawyers have advised her not to take money from the parents? Or that she has distanced herself in this manner? It is strange, as the records we have seen appear to me to reflect that the Adelsons were capable of making 12 cash payments of 50k for their Vietnam villa. 50k is year if private school where I come from. There’s one entry in Donna’s calendar that says to buy one of the boys a mouth guard, but that’s all I’ve seen with respect to paying for anything for them. (W can’t afford a mouth guard?). And Donna does note all kinds of payments for Charlie, his commissary, his house, child support to Bri, and a Schwab fund for Roman. Could W have been advised not to take money from them? She has a different lawyer, and her text to her mother references the fact that her mother didn’t always agree with his advice.
Makes more sense to me than the other interpretation of her having no other option, but then I'm biased!

Any good lawyer would surely warn their client about the optics & WA is also a lawyer herself & is good at planning ahead


Imagine....
It's 2016 and 20-20 just aired a show ' Inlaws and outlaws' and SG, LR & Charlie's girlfriend is arrested.
Many of your old associates are whispering, they believe your parents had something to do with this, paid for it, for you.
For the next six years, the publicity gets worse as the trials are held
Many of your family friends and total strangers think you were involved in a joint conspiracy with your millionaire family to eliminate the father, to get your down to live the high life in Miami.
The risk grows that you may be prosecuted and have to lay all of your life out in public

Georgia: ' so Wendi, your brother was being prosecuted for a murder conspiracy along with your mother, you say you had nothing to do with it and yet you're comfortable taking financial support from your mother? )

The optics might be better if you don't move to a fancier place & don't take their $ handouts. ( Some nasty people are already whispering behind your back that that you're benefitting from those soc security checks )

I also think she's less flashy than her brother & parents ( the minivan, prefers to spend her $ on travel) but both things can be true.
 
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why is Rash/Morris asking for Sunpass records when Rashbaum said, eight months ago at trial, that 2014 Sunpass records were no longer available in 2023?

I don't think I'm mis-remembering what he said
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Makes more sense to me than the other interpretation of her having no other option, but then I'm biased!

Any good lawyer would surely warn their client about the optics & WA is also a lawyer herself & is good at planning ahead


Imagine....
It's 2016 and 20-20 just aired a show ' Inlaws and outlaws' and SG, LR & Charlie's girlfriend is arrested.
Many of your old associates are whispering, they believe your parents had something to do with this, paid for it, for you.
For the next six years, the publicity gets worse as the trials are held
Many of your family friends and total strangers think you were involved in a joint conspiracy with your millionaire family to eliminate the father, to get your down to live the high life in Miami.
The risk grows that you may be prosecuted and have to lay all of your life out in public

Georgia: ' so Wendi, your brother was being prosecuted for a murder conspiracy along with your mother, you say you had nothing to do with it and yet you're comfortable taking financial support from your mother? )

The optics might be better if you don't move to a fancier place & don't take their $ handouts. ( Some nasty people are already whispering behind your back that that you're benefitting from those soc security checks )

I also think she's less flashy than her brother & parents ( the minivan, prefers to spend her $ on travel) but both things can be true.
Bingo! I think this is right on.
 
why is Rash/Morris asking for Sunpass records when Rashbaum said, eight months ago at trial, that 2014 Sunpass records were no longer available in 2023?

I don't think I'm mis-remembering what he said
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Maybe to prove when Donna and Harvey drove up to Orlando/Tallahassee the night of the money drop?
To disprove the states timeline of events that night (of the hit)?

They had the sun pass records for L and S, maybe they have always had them for D and H?
 
I actually think JL was wrong, everything else he said was right. A kid throwing a game controller at a screen would break it. I think from memory it was broken back in March.
I don’t recall him saying anything about a game controller. I thought he stated (using his hands as a visual) that someone punched the TV. Do I have to now watch his testimony for the 6th time? Lol
 

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