FL FL - Kevin McGrath, 26, missing from a cruise ship, Miami, 4 Sept 2023

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If he met with foul play at the hands of someone else early in the morning, it’s possible he left the ship inside another passenger’s luggage… that wouldn’t require triggering any overboard sensors or scanning his card/bracelet.
Where is all the stuff that was originally in the suitcase? Or are you saying someone purposely brought a large empty suitcase with them with the intent of malice? Also, he is 5’9” and weighs Approx 170 lbs. For someone to be able to kill him, physically move him into a suitcase and then somehow contort his body to fit into even a large suitcase is a lot to do alone. Also, wheeled suitcases are not generally rated to be able to support that much weight especially not to be pulled around the ship, down through the atrium, back and forth along and down the gangway, down through the port building and then in a long line back and forth to get through customs. Also, a normal person would struggle to pull or push that much weight alone. I think that would surely draw attention. I mean, certainly anything is possible.
 
Where is all the stuff that was originally in the suitcase? Or are you saying someone purposely brought a large empty suitcase with them with the intent of malice? Also, he is 5’9” and weighs Approx 170 lbs. For someone to be able to kill him, physically move him into a suitcase and then somehow contort his body to fit into even a large suitcase is a lot to do alone. Also, wheeled suitcases are not generally rated to be able to support that much weight especially not to be pulled around the ship, down through the atrium, back and forth along and down the gangway, down through the port building and then in a long line back and forth to get through customs. Also, a normal person would struggle to pull or push that much weight alone. I think that would surely draw attention. I mean, certainly anything is possible.
There's that murder of the woman in Bali (?) who was concealed in a suitcase and iirc, she was not a small person.
The killers did get caught !

As far as KM; I'm not feeling that that happened.

Am on the fence regarding foul play.
Maybe self-harm ?

But I hope the family can get answers.
They seem genuinely sad and frightened at the lack of anyone knowing or seeing him after he left his cabin for the last time ?
Fwiw-- I think someone saw him that evening/morning.
Or maybe they (a person outside of his family) know something !
It doesn't mean he was harmed.


Someone upthread mentioned that ships can come with alerts if someone falls overboard, but that doesn't mean cameras would record it ?
Omo.
 
McGrath was last seen on the cruise ship by his brother at about 2 a.m. < >

He was last seen by his brother Andre at around 2 a.m. Monday and his keycard was used to enter his room around 3:30 a.m., according to the outlet.

The family met for breakfast at 7:30 a.m. but Kevin McGrath didn’t show.

He still was nowhere to be found when all passengers disembarked the ship, and the family reported him missing, the publication reported.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/coast-guard-suspends-search-for-missing-carnival-cruise-passenger-kevin-mcgrath/ar-AA1gpCLQ

2:00am - Andre last saw Kevin (next link says last seen at 7am)
3:30am - Kevin's keycard used to enter his room
7:30am - family met for breakfast; Kevin didn't show


26-year-old Kevin McGrath, a father of two, has been missing since Monday. He was last seen in his cabin around 7 a.m. Monday morning

Kevin was out the morning he went missing with his twin brother Andre.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/my-brother-didnt-just-vanish-family-frustrated-after-carnival-cruise-passenger-disappears/ar-AA1glX2q

McGrath was last seen by his brother Andre at around 2 a.m. Cell phone footage last shows him dancing to live music on Sunday night.

Carnival Cruise Line told USA TODAY it was continuing the investigation, “including multiple reviews of closed circuit video footage and we are also cooperating with law enforcement and the U.S. Coast Guard.
https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/local/st-lucie-county/2023/09/08/coast-guard-suspends-search-for-missing-port-st-lucie-carnival-cruise-passenger/70794756007/
 
I think two things could be possible. One, suicide is not excluded, sadly. Hopefully, not. Two, he indeed goes to his cabin, takes Ambien, Lunesta or such and tries to fall asleep. He can't. Cruise atmosphere. He gets out to have some drinks at the bar. The mixture puts him into a dissociative state and he walks to some service area and falls asleep there. Or, indeed, he falls down the stairs or such. They shouldn't have cleared the ship for travel back, but we don't know what happened. What would be the course of action of a cruise line if they find a body now (he might have aspirated when sleeping, or such), I don't know. Hope it is not a foul play.
 
McGrath was last seen on the cruise ship by his brother at about 2 a.m. < >

He was last seen by his brother Andre at around 2 a.m. Monday and his keycard was used to enter his room around 3:30 a.m., according to the outlet.

The family met for breakfast at 7:30 a.m. but Kevin McGrath didn’t show.

He still was nowhere to be found when all passengers disembarked the ship, and the family reported him missing, the publication reported.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/coast-guard-suspends-search-for-missing-carnival-cruise-passenger-kevin-mcgrath/ar-AA1gpCLQ

2:00am - Andre last saw Kevin (next link says last seen at 7am)
3:30am - Kevin's keycard used to enter his room
7:30am - family met for breakfast; Kevin didn't show


26-year-old Kevin McGrath, a father of two, has been missing since Monday. He was last seen in his cabin around 7 a.m. Monday morning

Kevin was out the morning he went missing with his twin brother Andre.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/my-brother-didnt-just-vanish-family-frustrated-after-carnival-cruise-passenger-disappears/ar-AA1glX2q
I think that report of the 7 am sighting must be a mistake, maybe by the reporter.

If he was last seen at 7 am, then missed breakfast at 7:30, would they be so quick to worry and report him missing? JMO
 
Where is all the stuff that was originally in the suitcase? Or are you saying someone purposely brought a large empty suitcase with them with the intent of malice? Also, he is 5’9” and weighs Approx 170 lbs. For someone to be able to kill him, physically move him into a suitcase and then somehow contort his body to fit into even a large suitcase is a lot to do alone. Also, wheeled suitcases are not generally rated to be able to support that much weight especially not to be pulled around the ship, down through the atrium, back and forth along and down the gangway, down through the port building and then in a long line back and forth to get through customs. Also, a normal person would struggle to pull or push that much weight alone. I think that would surely draw attention. I mean, certainly anything is possible.
Do the cruise ships use large rolling carts to transport food and supplies onto the ship?

Example - a 250 lb. capacity ice chest for fishing, not food hauling, but it gives the general idea.


Starting at :45 in this video, it shows the dock and how food is moved onto ships. Huge.
 
I don't believe this article from CBS 12 News has been shared. It has some quotes from Sean McGrath, KM father.

I've not previously seen the below statement. SM is speaking on what Andre (twin brother who was sharing a room with KM) told the family. (bbm)

“He said he heard the door open anywhere from 5-7 (a.m.) because it’s dark in the room, and can’t really tell the time,” Sean recalled.

Previous MSM reports have indicated KM's card key was scanned to access the cabin room at 3:30am, so this referenced 5am - 7am time frame could have been KM leaving the room?

Estimated timeline based on varying news outlets and accompanying possible scenarios

2am: Andre confirms seeing KM in their cabin
(KM goes back out to dance, drink, etc.)

3:30am: KM's card key is scanned accessing the cabin door
(KM returns to the room)

5am - 7am: Andre hears cabin door opening.
(KM leaves the room for final time)

7:30am: Family reports KM missing.

I’ve never been on a cruise so this is probably a really dumb question but is the scanning of the key card an entry feature only? As in there is no electronic recording system in place to track a cabin door opening in general, from both inside and out?
 
I’ve never been on a cruise so this is probably a really dumb question but is the scanning of the key card an entry feature only? As in there is no electronic recording system in place to track a cabin door opening in general, from both inside and out?

You don’t need to use the card to exit a cabin door. It’s hard to say if the doors being opened (either direction) is being logged.
The technology certainly exists, but it’s a very old cruise ship, and in general cruise lines (and hotels for that matter) often don’t like to admit to how much surveillance they have.
 
as someone who Cruises A LOT... with carnival, its not adding up to me. The brothers statements seem to be changing from the 2am to the 5, to the 7. Sign and sail card will be tracked for any charges and entry into the room. If he went IN at 330am, brother says he went back out.... i question that. Dance club goes late but not near then. Pizza is open til about 4am and thats the ONLY place really people hang that late on last night, except casino, which there ARE cameras.
Crew are already cleaning to get ready for next morning.
You cannot fall overboard unless you are doing something stupid, want to, or have help. you don't trip and fall overboard.
USUALLY announcements start about 6:30am about breakfast options and people with their own luggage called to leave.
Can you get off the ship without your card. HIGHLY unlikely. Could a glitch occur.. yes.

Crew quarters someone could get lost in, but usually you will be seen and checked on. If you are a passenger down there, you need to be sneaky...

I'd be question family more.. especially the brother. Was he drunk/sleeping at 2am? I don't care who i cruise with, i hear them come in a cabin. lights are needed to see anything in an interior. Where was brother before he came back to cabin and who was he hanging out with last night.
 
Could they have switched cards by accident?
I haven't sailed on a Carnival ship since the mid-'80s, but on every cruise I've taken since the early 2000s, my photo is taken upon embarkation and matches up with my cruise card (or medallion on Princess cruises). When I leave and return to the ship, security personnel can see my photo when I scan my cruise card (or medallion). Are Carnival passengers not photographed when they board a ship? I would be very surprised if Carnival ships do not have this technology, even on an older vessel. I've seen photos of KM and his brother, and they do not look enough alike that they could pass for one another if cruise cards are matched to a photo taken at embarkation.
 
Could they have switched cards by accident?

In addition to what @BetteDavisEyes said, even if they switched cards for some reason, the ship (and family) still know that the number of people who boarded at the start of the cruise is one more than the number of people who disembarked at the end.

(I might be misunderstanding your implication though.)
 
I think that report of the 7 am sighting must be a mistake, maybe by the reporter.

If he was last seen at 7 am, then missed breakfast at 7:30, would they be so quick to worry and report him missing? JMO
This is why I’m leaning heavily toward suicide. Then add in the wording on the missing poster. I think they were already concerned about him and when he didn’t show up at 7:30a they immediately knew something was wrong.

I realize I read your post wrong. I do agree the 7a sighting is a misunderstanding.
 
I haven't sailed on a Carnival ship since the mid-'80s, but on every cruise I've taken since the early 2000s, my photo is taken upon embarkation and matches up with my cruise card (or medallion on Princess cruises). When I leave and return to the ship, security personnel can see my photo when I scan my cruise card (or medallion). Are Carnival passengers not photographed when they board a ship? I would be very surprised if Carnival ships do not have this technology, even on an older vessel. I've seen photos of KM and his brother, and they do not look enough alike that they could pass for one another if cruise cards are matched to a photo taken at embarkation.
They take pics if you are using a birth certificate or new cruiser... if you use a passport, they use THAT photo now.
 
McGrath was last seen on the cruise ship by his brother at about 2 a.m. < >

He was last seen by his brother Andre at around 2 a.m. Monday and his keycard was used to enter his room around 3:30 a.m., according to the outlet.

The family met for breakfast at 7:30 a.m. but Kevin McGrath didn’t show.

He still was nowhere to be found when all passengers disembarked the ship, and the family reported him missing, the publication reported.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/coast-guard-suspends-search-for-missing-carnival-cruise-passenger-kevin-mcgrath/ar-AA1gpCLQ

2:00am - Andre last saw Kevin (next link says last seen at 7am)
3:30am - Kevin's keycard used to enter his room
7:30am - family met for breakfast; Kevin didn't show


26-year-old Kevin McGrath, a father of two, has been missing since Monday. He was last seen in his cabin around 7 a.m. Monday morning

Kevin was out the morning he went missing with his twin brother Andre.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/my-brother-didnt-just-vanish-family-frustrated-after-carnival-cruise-passenger-disappears/ar-AA1glX2q
random--- i used to be a partier .... if i was buzzing and turning in at 3:30 a.m., no way in heck could i make a 7:30 a.m. breakfast.
 
This is why I’m leaning heavily toward suicide. Then add in the wording on the missing poster. I think they were already concerned about him and when he didn’t show up at 7:30a they immediately knew something was wrong.

I realize I read your post wrong. I do agree the 7a sighting is a misunderstanding.

I’ve seen so many conflicting versions that I can’t keep track, and sometimes LE is quoted and sometimes the cruise line is quoted. But I just wanted to point out that one early article said he was “reported missing” at 7am, which if true means they were already worried about him.
 

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