FL FL - Kevin McGrath, 26, missing from a cruise ship, Miami, 4 Sept 2023

[AzPistonsGirl]

Thank you @BetteDavisEyes - I concur that the "may be in need of services" language is really important here

Along with some of the other ideas being fleshed out here which seem logical when following the facts as reported IMO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

His disappearance "is so random, out of nowhere," Danielle McGrath, Kevin McGrath's sister, told USA TODAY. "Everyone has different relationships with the person but me, how I know my brother, how I last spoke to him, his energy, his spirit. This is definitely not like him. Did he fall down an elevator shaft?

‘I'm sick to my stomach’: Coast Guard suspends search for vanished cruise passenger

Kevin McGrath didn't show up to breakfast nor debarkation after his family's cruise, and there's no trace of where he could be.

www.usatoday.com

*something about the bolded words struck me as odd, and did they check the elevator like his sister suggested?

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

There are security cameras every where, correct ?
So, KM should be seen leaving his room for the final time.
I was fearing foul play, but if someone harmed KM and concealed him, it should have been solved by now.

If I was his family, I'd ask that the cameras be scoured thoroughly for signs of KM, who he was with if not alone, and when was the last time he was seen ?
Sorry for his worried loved ones !

I hope there is a good ending for Kevin.
My .02 is that to preserve their reputation, a lot of crime is covered up on cruise ships !
Omo.

I wouldn't necessarily agree that cruise ships deliberately cover up onboard criminal activity to save face, but if you read the passage contract, it's extremely difficult, if not impossible, to hold the cruise line accountable for just about anything.

Cruise Ticket Contract | Legal | Carnival Cruise Line

Cruise ticket contract important terms and conditions. Read the complete document at Carnival.com

www.carnival.com

 

[Lilibet]

From the "Missing" poster: The missing person may be in need of services.

Why is the media and KM's family avoiding the elephant in the room? How did the statement about "needing services" get on the "Missing" poster and what does it mean? What kind of services? Was KM being treated for a mental and/or physical condition that family members don't want to discuss? Is/Was he on medication? Seems like no one wants to talk about this. There might still have been some activity (dancing, casino, bars open, etc.) in the wee hours, but outdoor upper decks where the pools are located were probably deserted. It would be very easy to go overboard without being noticed. JMO

I think families are very careful about what they reveal about mental health issues in case the person is found alive. They don’t want to blast private, potentially embarrassing medical info all over the media. So “in need of services” is a tactful way of saying it IMO.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I think families are very careful about what they reveal about mental health issues in case the person is found alive. They don’t want to blast private, potentially embarrassing medical info all over the media. So “in need of services” is a tactful way of saying it IMO.

I understand that, of course. But I would hate to think that Carnival Cruise Lines could be blamed for something that isn't their fault. Very little has been said by the family members who were actually onboard with KM for the Labor Day weekend cruise. I'm sure they were all interviewed and that the Coast Guard, local authorities, and shipboard personnel have much more information about the case than has been provided by the media. JMO

 

[tarabull]

In the longer video of his sister speaking she said there were 40 family members on the cruise fwiw... I will find the link and add to this post

 

[Chimera]

I wouldn't necessarily agree that cruise ships deliberately cover up onboard criminal activity to save face, but if you read the passage contract, it's extremely difficult, if not impossible, to hold the cruise line accountable for just about anything.

Cruise Ticket Contract | Legal | Carnival Cruise Line

Cruise ticket contract important terms and conditions. Read the complete document at Carnival.com

www.carnival.com

One would hope not, but I think it's not entirely impossible ?

I've long thought that the ship's crew that the newlywed groom was on and fell/disappeared from; knew more than they were saying ?
Omo.

 

[Missinginpittsburgh]

I apologize if this has been answered already. I've been semi following the case, but recently I've been following more. Since his disappearance, is the carnival conquest docked and part of evidence or has it continued on cruising??

 

[Chimera]

I apologize if this has been answered already. I've been semi following the case, but recently I've been following more. Since his disappearance, is the carnival conquest docked and part of evidence or has it continued on cruising??

Afaik, it has been cleared to continue sailing ?
Omo.

 

[aggiekel2005]

Afaik, it has been cleared to continue sailing ?
Omo.

Yes I think it has been cleared to sail based on what I heard on the news. It looks like it left today on a 3 day trip to the Bahamas.

 

[cujenn81]

This isn’t possible for a number of reasons, but the main one is that on the night in question (the night before disembark), the ship was out at sea.



The cruise line has already said he doesn’t appear on any of their video from the morning of disembarkation. (I’m not saying they’re necessarily 100% trustworthy, I’m just repeating what they said.)

And just for anyone curious: passengers get on and off the ship via long mobile gangways that are extended to the ship when it’s docked. Everyone is checked/scanned off as they leave. There isn’t really, for example, some secret exit they could use to sneak off.

(And just to chime in for cruises, I understand why some people find the idea loathsome, and I have no interest in 3-day party cruises, but I’ve been on some really beautiful ships with super nice and chill people. Unfortunately it’s a “you get what you pay for” thing, and I find that a lot of people who say they cruised once and hated it were on the cheapest/shortest cruise available to them.)

FWIW (which I’m sure isn’t much… lol), I went on a 3-day Carnival cruise out of Jacksonville, FL to Nassau, Bahamas and had a blast! I wouldn’t say it was any more of a “party cruise” than the 7-day cruise I took earlier that year to the Western Caribbean out of Port Canaveral. Of course, the 3-day cruise was less expensive and the ship was much smaller but only because it was a much shorter trip. They were more or less the same experience, though. They both offered poolside games, bingo and trivia, a day camp for kids, karaoke, talent competitions, a spa, casino, dance clubs, cigar bars, art galleries, comedy shows, theater productions, fancy restaurants, all-you-can eat buffets, 24/7 room service, and a huge atrium with a crystal chandelier.

Nevertheless, I get why some people have no interest in going on a cruise. They don’t like the idea of being out on the open water with no land in sight, the prospect of the dreaded Nora virus contaminating everything and everyone on the ship, or the size of the staterooms gives them claustrophobia. My husband is one of those people, but I wish he wasn’t.

In any event, I’m worried for this young man. Like many others have mentioned on this thread — there’s really no place to hide on a cruise ship and I can’t think of many hopeful outcomes with the facts that we have.

 

[spyblond]

Search Suspended for Man Who Disappeared from Cruise Ship While Celebrating Dad's 60th Birthday

The Coast Guard has suspended its search for Kevin McGrath, 26, who disappeared while on a Carnival cruise with his family

people.com

"The United States Coast Guard has confirmed to PEOPLE that the search for Kevin has since been suspended."

The Coast Guard suspending their search suggests to me that either they presume he got off the boat or that he can't be found in the water... This must be so painful for his family.

 

[tarabull]

In the longer video of his sister speaking she said there were 40 family members on the cruise fwiw... I will find the link and add to this post

sorry for the delay --- @ approx 1:10 minute mark in video at link below sister starts explaining the it was their fathers 60th birthday cruise says "it was a big group about 40 people..."

‘My brother didn't just vanish': Family frustrated after Carnival Cruise passenger disappears

Kevin McGrath has been missing since Monday. Carnival officials said he wasn’t seen in surveillance footage.

www.nbcmiami.com

also @ approx 1:55 mm in video above it shows Carnival statement to NBC in part says 'the guest was not detected by any surveillance systems...'

The video in the body of the report linked below has the sister saysing "I guess they have some type of sensors where it triggers if someone falls overboard, and they said nothing went off," she said.

Search suspended: Family of missing Port St. Lucie man last seen aboard Carnival Cruise speaks out

Danielle McGrath says it is very out of character for her brother Kevin to take off or cut off communication, but on a family trip, he disappeared without a trace.

www.wpbf.com

Reposting this just for additonal confusion (sorry but...which witch??)

Snipped from link below & BBM...
...The ship’s CCTV did not indicate anyone falling overboard during the cruise nor did the shipboard cameras provide an explanation where Mr. McGrath may have gone. Carnival claims that it conducted a complete search of the ship. Like all other Carnival cruise ships, the Carnival Conquest is not equipped with an automatic man overboard (MOB) system which would have instantly reported someone going over the railing, recorded the event, and then tracked the overboard passenger in the water.

Mystery Involving Missing Passenger From Carnival Conquest

A passenger was reported missing from a Carnival cruise ship yesterday following a three-day cruise from Miami. Several local and national news outlets

www.cruiselawnews.com

 

[SleuthyQ]

This all seems so fishy. Why has there still been no timeline of the day published prior to him last being seen by his brother in the stateroom? I feel like that is important information. The pictures and video that have been used in the media are all from the night before supposedly.

Also, even on older Carnival ships, there are cameras everywhere, at least in the public areas. You can actually watch the camera that is pointed toward the pool area on the Lido deck in your stateroom. On the exterior of the ship and on the interior. John Heald, the Senior Cruise Director for Carnival that is pretty much the public figure for guests to connect with to answer questions, comments or complaints, has even said on his page multiple times, that guests should not engage in “rumpy pumpy” on their balconies because it can and is seen on the cameras that run down the sides of the ship. Even at night the ship is so lit up at night that you may not be able to see far away clearly at night but you can see the water and down the side of the ship from your balcony and on open air decks. I truly feel like this man should be able to be seen in a public area on a ship camera somewhere during this time period if he was on the ship.
As far fetched as it may seem, until they give a timeline of the events of the day, I keep wondering if he even got back on the ship in Bimini. I think where there’s a will, there’s a way. Whether it was KM trying to disappear or someone else that made some bad decisions.

 

[tarabull]

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[Sillybilly]

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[Anthony96]

Praying for him and his family

 

[tarabull]

Snipped...
...Authorities say Kevin was not detected by any of the ship's surveillance systems. The ship's cameras and security devices do not indicate that McGrath went overboard, and that's what his father says makes his disappearance even more puzzling.

“His SeaPass card was not scanned, because when you exit the ship, you have to scan your SeaPass card, and we had his documents, like his birth certificate and driver’s license, so there’s no way he could come off the ship," Sean explained. "I was told from Carnival that they had sensors all around the ship, so if someone did go overboard, they would’ve been alerted, and nothing was alerted.”

Mystery at Sea: Port St. Lucie man seemingly vanishes aboard cruise ship, remains missing several days later

A Port St. Lucie family who spent the weekend celebrating a birthday on a cruise ship is now in the middle of a nightmare.

cbs12.com

 

[mst]

If they had his birth certificate and license, it's even less likely he voluntarily disembarked somewhere

 

[ArianeEmory]

If they had his birth certificate and license, it's even less likely he voluntarily disembarked somewhere

In a “typical” Caribbean cruise port (like Nassau or Cozumel), you don’t have to show ID to get off the ship, they just scan your ship card or bracelet. You may or may not need ID to get back into the ship/pier area—depends on local border officials. Example: I was recently in Cozumel, and when I went back to the pier, local security just saw my cruise ship RFID bracelet and waved me through out onto the pier. In other words, I entered and exited Cozumel (Mexico) while never showing any photo ID.

However, you have to show your ID (usually passport or certified birth certificate) to re-enter the United States when the ship returns to Miami. (Although this process has been automated in at least some of the terminals with facial recognition.)

The only real point I’m making here is that it’s possible to disembark *at other ports*, particularly very touristy ones, without showing ID. (The ship will scan your card or bracelet so they know you’re off the ship, but local border authorities don’t require ID.)

(I’m still of the opinion that he went overboard in the early morning hours before the ship docked.)