Found Deceased FL - Kristina French, 53, Neptune Beach, 21 Nov 2017 *Arrest*

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Father alienating Logan from Mother.

Thanks! I was rushing through catching up on this case and tend to be skeptical whenever I hear parental alienation...

I truly appreciate the posters who took the time to fill me in! [emoji1374]❤️


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[cvaldez1975]

try not to be. parental alienation isn't only as described in your link. while that does happen, it happens other ways as well.

in your link, it was the parent threw the child under the bus and made them lose his/her accountability in order to get their way.

it also can be the parent manipulates children to have a bad impression of the other parent to gain the child's compliance to corroborate their false narrative.

it also can be creating an "us against other parent" narrative then asking child to lie and rewarding them for it.

Thanks! I was rushing through catching up on this case and tend to be skeptical whenever I hear parental alienation...

I truly appreciate the posters who took the time to fill me in! [emoji1374]❤️


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[Ray_of_hope]

Great, so he allegedly stabbed his grandmother several times and shot her. (Came out at today's hearing and didn't specify in what order the shooting and stabbings occurred). And now the NY attorney is slowing his extradition down.

After a Wednesday morning arraignment hearing for Mott in Buffalo, New York, the arrest warrant was read in court, detailing that French was shot and stabbed multiple times by her grandson and that three gun and a bloody knife were found in her car, which Mott was driving when he was caught by authorities. The guns found include the weapon used to kill French were taken from the home of Mott's father, authorities said.

Mott's New York defense attorney, Dominic Saraceno, said information inan arrest warrant proves nothing.

"It doesn’t prove anything," Saraceno said after the hearing. "There is no motive. No confession. There could be dozens of alternative theories on what happened."

https://www.news4jax.com/news/neptune-beach-to-be-arraigned-in-new-york-courtroom

 

[Ray_of_hope]

So it looks like Logan's attorney may be interested in continuing to work on his case in Florida (maybe in conjunction with a Florida attorney?) and will request that the trial be moved due to Logan's Dad's employment with the JSO.

 

[Blue5591]

try not to be. parental alienation isn't only as described in your link. while that does happen, it happens other ways as well.

in your link, it was the parent threw the child under the bus and made them lose his/her accountability in order to get their way.

it also can be the parent manipulates children to have a bad impression of the other parent to gain the child's compliance to corroborate their false narrative.

it also can be creating an "us against other parent" narrative then asking child to lie and rewarding them for it.

Without knowing mom or dad personally, it's very hard to tell which parent might be doing that. In fact, maybe they are both guilty of that, but why would this lead Logan to This? Someone he supposedly loved very much.

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[Midge Montana]

Link to 911 call here:
https://www.news4jax.com/news/neptu...ce=facebook&utm_medium=snd&utm_campaign=wxjt4


Now, for what good reasons would LM choose to ask for an extradition hearing? Why would they fight extradition?
What are the concerns he has that would lead to him stretching out extradition for another 60 days?

Also, isn't it odd that during the 911 call dad didn't mention any stolen guns, just that the safe keypad had been ripped off?
Maybe he hadn't checked his gun cabinet yet?
Weren't both houses (Dad's and Grandma's) said to have been ransacked? It sounds as if Dad had already checked granny's house, by the way he puts it, why no mention hers being ransacked?
Just some things I'm wondering about...

 

[kay74]

I wonder if he was on anti-depressants. There are people who have committed suicide and killed while on these. They can make a balanced mind unbalanced. Also this kid was in a new school which is very hard at that age, his mom has a new young family and husband and is far from him and his dad has his girlfriend. He has no structure plus the parents are fighting. Recipe for disaster.

 

[Midge Montana]

I wonder if he was on anti-depressants. There are people who have committed suicide and killed while on these. They can make a balanced mind unbalanced. Also this kid was in a new school which is very hard at that age, his mom has a new young family and husband and is far from him and his dad has his girlfriend. He has no structure plus the parents are fighting. Recipe for disaster.

I believe his lawyer stated he was on no medicine except his diabetes medicine.
Sounds like he probably should have been. My opinion only.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

I wonder if he was on anti-depressants. There are people who have committed suicide and killed while on these. They can make a balanced mind unbalanced. Also this kid was in a new school which is very hard at that age, his mom has a new young family and husband and is far from him and his dad has his girlfriend. He has no structure plus the parents are fighting. Recipe for disaster.

In an earlier news report, it was stated that the only medication Logan was on was insulin. Unless he was using illicit drugs that no one else was aware of.

 

[Jax49]

Link to 911 call here:
https://www.news4jax.com/news/neptu...ce=facebook&utm_medium=snd&utm_campaign=wxjt4


Now, for what good reasons would LM choose to ask for an extradition hearing? Why would they fight extradition?
What are the concerns he has that would lead to him stretching out extradition for another 60 days?

Also, isn't it odd that during the 911 call dad didn't mention any stolen guns, just that the safe keypad had been ripped off?
Maybe he hadn't checked his gun cabinet yet?
Weren't both houses (Dad's and Grandma's) said to have been ransacked? It sounds as if Dad had already checked granny's house, by the way he puts it, why no mention hers being ransacked?
Just some things I'm wondering about...

RBBM

Does anyone have a source for that? I might have missed it in MSM, but the only place I saw it was WS. TIA

 

[Midge Montana]

RBBM

Does anyone have a source for that? I might have missed it in MSM, but the only place I saw it was WS. TIA

The teen and his grandmother were initially listed as missing and possibly endangered after Logan’s father, Eric Mott, returned Wednesday night to discover his Neptune Beach home ransacked and weapons taken from his gun safe, the Sheriff’s Office said. French’s home in the Mayport area also was ransacked, her weapons were gone along with her 2015 Dodge Dart, police said.

Source:
http://jacksonville.com/news/public...firmed-kristina-french-grandson-s-extradition

 

[Jax49]

The teen and his grandmother were initially listed as missing and possibly endangered after Logan’s father, Eric Mott, returned Wednesday night to discover his Neptune Beach home ransacked and weapons taken from his gun safe, the Sheriff’s Office said. French’s home in the Mayport area also was ransacked, her weapons were gone along with her 2015 Dodge Dart, police said.

Source:
http://jacksonville.com/news/public...firmed-kristina-french-grandson-s-extradition

Thank you.

O/T - The TU is a source I don't normally use (long story).

 

[cvaldez1975]

i agree, without being there it could be either or both. I don't know. its tragic it led to this

Without knowing mom or dad personally, it's very hard to tell which parent might be doing that. In fact, maybe they are both guilty of that, but why would this lead Logan to This? Someone he supposedly loved very much.

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[LisaWL7TR]

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Prosecutors: 15-year-old shot, stabbed grandmother in Neptune BeachLogan Mott pleads not guilty in murder of Kristina French

By*Jim Piggott*- Reporter

Posted: 8:14 AM, November 29, 2017Updated: 10:04 AM, November 29, 2017

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BUFFALO, N.Y.*- A 53-year-old woman whose remains were found last week in a shallow grave at *advertiser censored*Neptune Beach*home was shot and stabbed multiple times, according to prosecutors in Buffalo,*New York.

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[LisaWL7TR]

https://www.news4jax.com/news/neptune-beach-to-be-arraigned-in-new-york-courtroom

Prosecutors: 15-year-old shot, stabbed grandmother in Neptune Beach
Logan Mott pleads not guilty in murder of Kristina French
Updated: 10:16 AM, November 29, 2017
BUFFALO, N.Y. - A 53-year-old woman whose remains were found last week in a shallow grave at a Neptune Beach home was shot and stabbed multiple times, according to prosecutors in Buffalo, New York.
[...]
Prosecutors said at Wednesday's hearing that three firearms and a bloody knife were found in French's car, which Mott was driving when he was caught by authorities. The guns found include the weapon used in French's murder and were taken from the home of Mott's father, authorities said.
[...]

It seams the stabbing is very personal but in a bad way.imho

 

[LisaWL7TR]

Link to 911 call here:
https://www.news4jax.com/news/neptu...ce=facebook&utm_medium=snd&utm_campaign=wxjt4


Now, for what good reasons would LM choose to ask for an extradition hearing? Why would they fight extradition?
What are the concerns he has that would lead to him stretching out extradition for another 60 days?

Also, isn't it odd that during the 911 call dad didn't mention any stolen guns, just that the safe keypad had been ripped off?
Maybe he hadn't checked his gun cabinet yet?
Weren't both houses (Dad's and Grandma's) said to have been ransacked? It sounds as if Dad had already checked granny's house, by the way he puts it, why no mention hers being ransacked?
Just some things I'm wondering about...

I believe I read, sorry, no link that dad said he didnt know about tbe guns being missing till later.
If I came home to my house ransacked I would be checking on anything of importance or value in the house. Moo

 

[Blue5591]

I just read on Action News Jax that investigators are back at dad's house now. I wonder why.

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[MzOpinion8d]

Without knowing mom or dad personally, it's very hard to tell which parent might be doing that. In fact, maybe they are both guilty of that, but why would this lead Logan to This? Someone he supposedly loved very much.

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If Logan and his dad were at odds, maybe Logan thought killing Kristina was the only way to hurt his dad.

Think about this, too...Logan wanted to go live with his mom, and dad was preventing it...so Logan has now prevented Dad from being with his mom, too.

 

[Midge Montana]

I just read on Action News Jax that investigators are back at dad's house now. I wonder why.

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I can't find that. Do you have a link, pretty please?

 

[Blue5591]

I can't find that. Do you have a link, pretty please?

This is a Twitter link, is it ok?
[video=twitter;936002145220022273]https://twitter.com/RussellANjax/status/936002145220022273[/video]

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