Found Deceased FL - Lane Graves, 2, Walt Disney World, 14 June 2016 #1

[Meletx]

Well, sure it is. Alligators roam, and will inhabit any body of water they find. And the lagoon is a rather large body of water. There's no way to keep alligators out of the area; it's their native territory. I can't fathom ever going near that water. Aside from the alligators, the water is filthy, and apparently much of the construction equipment used to dig the waterways, and refuse from the building of Disney, is sunk in the lagoon in various places. I've never seen anybody venturing near the water line when we've been there. It's made clear that the "beaches" are are not for recreation in the traditional sense.

At the resort, many people went near the lagoon when I was there...and walked barefoot in the very shallow area that hardly covered their feet. There was nothing that made you feel like being near it was unsafe. It is actually very inviting considering all of the beach chairs so close to the shoreline, the adjacent pool, and children's slides right there. Lots of fun music playing and constant activities right there. I love Disney and what it stands for, but there is a major need for full disclosure to those of us that aren't aware that alligators are everywhere. I grew up in the east Texas Piney Woods where scorpions are rampant....hiding in shoes and in our sheets. I don't expect someone from elsewhere to know to constantly check their sheets or shake out their shoes.

 

[LinasK]

BBM. I don't know anything about Disneyland's dangerous rides. (I was only there once, many many years ago.) But IIRC, the measles risk is due to all the anti-vaxxer Americans on the left coast, plus all the tourists from countries where vaccinations aren't as common.

Should Disneyland put up signs warning people about the risk of measles? Is that a reasonably foreseeable risk that Disneyland should warn people about? Is Disneyland negligent if they don't warn people about the measles risk?

The dangerous rides I was referring to were the two deaths I know have occurred at Disneyland. One of those rides was taken out.
As far as the measles outbreak- Disney didn't have to publicize it, it was all over the news. Interestingly I went there a few months later, and although I was very conscious of it having happened, but there were no indications on Disney's part. We've had all our vaccinations. Were there any lawsuits from it? Don't know, didn't follow.

 

[LaborDayRN]

This is the stuff of nightmares. Poor little one, I hope he passed quickly. :crying:

I couldn't sleep last night thinking about this little one. I too pray it was over in a matter of seconds for this little angels sake.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Right....we are in full agreement.

I live in Florida so here's how we think: we see a sign that says no swimming at night & we look out at a murky pond or swamp-- trust me we don't go there! If you're from Nebraska maybe you're just thinking the warning sign just means that lifeguards aren't on duty at night? Maybe?

What is considered a reasonable risk varies regionally. And that could come into play down the road if there is a lawsuit or trial depending where the jury pool is from.

I feel horrible for the parents because they were from a different region & wouldn't know. So tragic.

Disney would settle if they get sued, and if by some chance they didn't and it went to court, it would be in Florida. The family will lose if it gets that far, Disney has the best lawyers.


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[eileenhawkeye]

Disney sees about 150 lawsuits a year, which is an extremely small number for such a popular place. I wouldn't be surprised if people who complain loud enough get a check, not some exorbitant amount, or a free ticket or something.


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[ATasteOfHoney]

At the resort, many people went near the lagoon when I was there...and walked barefoot in the very shallow area that hardly covered their feet. There was nothing that made you feel like being near it was unsafe. It is actually very inviting considering all of the beach chairs so close to the shoreline, the adjacent pool, and children's slides right there. Lots of fun music playing and constant activities right there. I love Disney and what it stands for, but there is a major need for full disclosure to those of us that aren't aware that alligators are everywhere. I grew up in the east Texas Piney Woods where scorpions are rampant....hiding in shoes and in our sheets. I don't expect someone from elsewhere to know to constantly check their sheets or shake out their shoes.

I am sincerely curious....do you see a lot of signs in motels or bed & breakfasts featuring images of scorpions warning people to take precautions? Or signage by realtors when they are showing homes--there may be scorpions?

I'm curious how businesses in various regions handle dangerous wildlife risks; in particular with those areas with tourism. And I'm curious what is the definition from the legal term "reasonable, foreseeable"?


RIP lil guy. Prayers to the family.

Moo

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Most lawsuits are settled out of court. Of the 477 cases, 117 were still pending as of March 15. Of the 360 cases filed since the start of 2004 that have been resolved, only seven went to trial and reached a jury verdict — and the theme parks won all seven

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl-themepark-injury-lawsuits-033009-story.html

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[LinasK]

Disney sees about 150 lawsuits a year, which is an extremely small number for such a popular place. I wouldn't be surprised if people who complain loud enough get a check, not some exorbitant amount, or a free ticket or something.


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A free ticket wouldn't cut it for the traumatizing death of my son.:notgood:

 

[sonjay]

I was talking about this with my husband and brother-in-law and our neighbor and his wife, while we were down at the river watching the sunset. The river that's full of gators. We see gators every time we're down there.

All of us agreed that a family from Nebraska couldn't be expected to know anything about gators, any more than Floridians should be expected to know that elk and moose can be very dangerous.

I've got warring factions within myself.

On the one hand, it seems logical that Disney should have posted signs that warned specifically about gators, especially since they held child-oriented activities like movie night out there on the beach.

On the other hand, every single one of us should always be aware of potential risks and dangers. That body of water..... is that safe to wade in? safe to swim in? Are there rip currents? Steep drop-offs? Sharks? Gators? Snakes? That cliff.... is it safe to approach the edge? That hiking trail.... are there bears in the area? That pile of rocks..... is it likely there are rattlesnakes in there? That cute-looking elk..... should I go closer to try to get a picture of it?

We've got such a nanny state going on, we've come to expect that everything is safe unless there are barriers and warning signs -- but it's not. Life isn't safe. We always need to stay aware of that fact.

I for one wouldn't allow my young child to go swimming or wading in a body of water at night unless I knew for certain it was safe. Any more than I would allow him to dive into water that I didn't know the depth of, or go wandering down an unfamiliar hiking trail or play in traffic or any of the multitudes of other things that can be dangerous to children & adults alike.

 

[sonjay]

The dangerous rides I was referring to were the two deaths I know have occurred at Disneyland. One of those rides was taken out.
As far as the measles outbreak- Disney didn't have to publicize it, it was all over the news. Interestingly I went there a few months later, and although I was very conscious of it having happened, but there were no indications on Disney's part. We've had all our vaccinations. Were there any lawsuits from it? Don't know, didn't follow.

Okay, so now that this alligator attack has been all over the news, does that mean that Disney World doesn't need to warn about the alligator risk, because now everyone should know about it?

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Very interesting article about lawsuits against Disney: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl-themepark-injury-lawsuits-033009-story.html


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[ninij9]

Don't search for that on YouTube.....


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So of course, that's what I did...[emoji15]

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[Tssiemer]

So of course, that's what I did...[emoji15]

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Gah I told you not to! I was trying to save you!!


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[LaborDayRN]

I was hoping that the parents got to see and hold their son, if it's what they wished, before he was taken to the ME's office. I don't know if that would be allowed but I would sure hope so.
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I really hope that opportunity was provided for them. Rest in paradise little one. My deepest condolences and prayers for comfort and peace for the family.

 

[LinasK]

Okay, so now that this alligator attack has been all over the news, does that mean that Disney World doesn't need to warn about the alligator risk, because now everyone should know about it?

Like I said, there were no warning signs about infectious diseases, but I find it hard to believe they won't now post warning signs about gators...

 

[ninij9]

I can say one thing, maybe Disney didn't have more responsibility, maybe they did. But going forward I'm going to bet that every guest is going to be made aware that there are Gators in the lagoon. Jmo.

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[LaborDayRN]

I doubt it for now...he drowned, as you probably already know, he wouldn't look "ok enough". I am sure they will be able to though at some point. Those poor people.

Sadly, in my line of work we deal with still births. Some of these angels have been deceased for weeks. While they may not be "ok enough" to others, to the parents they are still their baby and 99% of them still want to hold, cradle and cry with their baby. How long is up to the mother and father, sometimes it's minutes but more often it's hours. We take photos for them and often they take some of their own. We make every attempt to dress the infant for the photos. It helps them grieve and say goodbye. I truly hope this was allowed for this family.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Very interesting article about lawsuits against Disney: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl-themepark-injury-lawsuits-033009-story.html


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The last two sentences of the article speaks of the feelings of assumed "safety".

 

[jennapuppy]

A free ticket wouldn't cut it for the traumatizing death of my son.:notgood:

I would have no desire to return there, either.

 

[LinasK]

Very interesting article about lawsuits against Disney: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl-themepark-injury-lawsuits-033009-story.html


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Okay this part deals with frivolous lawsuits, but getting killed by a gator isn't frivolous.
Childs theorizes that, in seeking to create a "fantasy world" for their customers, theme parks generate high expectations for safety and comfort that, for some guests, rise far above what would be considered reasonable in the "real" world.

Last spring, for example, a man from Puerto Rico sued Disney because he had fainted from embarrassment when a ride attendant in the Magic Kingdom challenged him as he stood in a FastPass "shortcut" line at Space Mountain.
In separate cases, two women and a man have sued Universal in recent years to complain that, during the resort's annual Halloween Horror Nights festival, costumed characters startled them and caused them to fall down.
And a Brooksville man who sued in 2007 complained that he was injured at Busch Gardens when he pushed open a bathroom-stall door — which then bounced off a trash can, swung back and smacked him in the head.
"People assume they're going to a place where they aren't going to get hurt," Childs said. "And if they do get hurt, they think, 'By God, the theme park did something wrong.'"