FL FL - Leila Cavett, 21, of GA (son Kamdyn, 2, found wandering streets), Miramar, 27 July 2020 #2

[PaulaDC]

I had a feeling they were just waiting on his phone records. Looks like his taunting was a massive failure. moo

 

[sleuthduif]

I thought about this, but how effective can a 2 year old be at communicating what he saw? I guess it's possible, but I don't know.

I looked it up the other day for a debate whether the 2 yo mccann twins would be able to testify to anything or at least at the time.

There is a différent protocol for each agegroup like 3-5, 6-9, 10-11, teens etc (as per country, i mostly found uk research papers / cases ) as each agegroup have generally speaking different 'problems' with truth, memory, experience, peer pressure etc.

There were great debates between parents saying a two yo can talk, others saying they barely can utter three coherent words at a time.

I'd say (as a childless outsider) a part from individual capacities, but which should be the start of three words sentences like "I want Ball ", also 25 months or 32 months makes a huge différence.

Anyway,
I then also stumbled upon this case
Two-year-old girl gives evidence in UK abuse case
.
My best guess would be that the boy, 27 months is he? But not much talkative yet i think ? He could possibly recognize someone he had spent time with, might even have a panic reaction to someone he saw hurt his mom if ever that was the case.
He'd at least be too young to change statements voluntarily or unvoluntarily for the reasons mentionned above.
But this young is more than extremely rare to be a true witness , although they more often do seem to be affected by nightmares and such, so they are aware in a way.


It's just what i gathered from a little internet research although quite scientific documents.

 

[GatorFL]

The dress is a CASUAL DRESS that’s in style right now (as someone noted in an earlier post)
There’s dresses like that one on banana republic and gap. I’m sure other stores have them too.
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Yes I agree it is a casual dress. I am in South FL and I see tons of them now. They're very lightweight fabric, perfect summer wear. I was trying to make this point, it does not look like a dress for a job interview.

 

[MsBetsy]

I looked it up the other day for a debate whether the 2 yo mccann twins would be able to testify to anything or at least at the time.

There is a différent protocol for each agegroup like 3-5, 6-9, 10-11, teens etc (as per country, i mostly found uk research papers / cases ) as each agegroup have generally speaking different 'problems' with truth, memory, experience, peer pressure etc.

There were great debates between parents saying a two yo can talk, others saying they barely can utter three coherent words at a time.

I'd say (as a childless outsider) a part from individual capacities, but which should be the start of three words sentences like "I want Ball ", also 25 months or 32 months makes a huge différence.

Anyway,
I then also stumbled upon this case
Two-year-old girl gives evidence in UK abuse case
.
My best guess would be that the boy, 27 months is he? But not much talkative yet i think ? He could possibly recognize someone he had spent time with, might even have a panic reaction to someone he saw hurt his mom if ever that was the case.
He'd at least be too young to change statements voluntarily or unvoluntarily for the reasons mentionned above.
But this young is more than extremely rare to be a true witness , although they more often do seem to be affected by nightmares and such, so they are aware in a way.


It's just what i gathered from a little internet research although quite scientific documents.

I think he's too young. He reportedly did not speak any words. The woman who found him said she asked him his name and he "babbled" or spoke "baby talk." Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

Hope this link is fine.
MSN rbbm.
Includes video by SR
Alabama ‘witch doctor’ arrested in Leila Cavett disappearance, report states
''Shannon Ryan
on Friday
''Anyone who thinks I have something to do with Leila missing can you please comment on this post. I want to demonstrate my powers and make all of you disappear off my timeline all at once. Don’t get scared now.

This your five minutes of fame. I won’t delete your comments, Witches Honor. Instead, Next full moon I’m practice my first mass Hexing. Put your name in the pot since you so brave and big and bad and I don’t have any real powers. Make me out a lie. May Jesus (Constantine) receive your prayers and the Blood of Christ (Grape Wine) protect you. See they are just words, anyone can say that ****. -BAruEL-''

Wow. It really sounds like he was enjoying all this attention. Not anymore, I guess.

 

[Gatherer]

I think we can't discus fb unless he is an official poi in the meantime? Anyway, i saw original post and modifications, which were all on the same day though, before all this. Whatever that means

Not that i want to defend him, at all, but to be fair we don't know anything yet, (but i'm not up to date yet) and this rumor implies he deleted her name after the fact which isn't the case as far as i know.

Eta. I went to look for said post yesterday again for another name , it appeared to be deleted alltogether. But i could be wrong, just really couldn't find it.

Removed to comply with SB and TOS.

 

[dotr]

So since the article specifically states the charge is connected to Leila, can links to SR's SM be posted now? Has anyone checked with a mod?

Just alerted my own post (slightly upthread) to see if it is okay.

 

[sleuthduif]

I looked it up the other day for a debate whether the 2 yo mccann twins would be able to testify to anything or at least at the time.

There is a différent protocol for each agegroup like 3-5, 6-9, 10-11, teens etc (as per country, i mostly found uk research papers / cases ) as each agegroup have generally speaking different 'problems' with truth, memory, experience, peer pressure etc.

There were great debates between parents saying a two yo can talk, others saying they barely can utter three coherent words at a time.

I'd say (as a childless outsider) a part from individual capacities, but which should be the start of three words sentences like "I want Ball ", also 25 months or 32 months makes a huge différence.

Anyway,
I then also stumbled upon this case
Two-year-old girl gives evidence in UK abuse case
.
My best guess would be that the boy, 27 months is he? But not much talkative yet i think ? He could possibly recognize someone he had spent time with, might even have a panic reaction to someone he saw hurt his mom if ever that was the case.
He'd at least be too young to change statements voluntarily or unvoluntarily for the reasons mentionned above.
But this young is more than extremely rare to be a true witness , although they more often do seem to be affected by nightmares and such, so they are aware in a way.


It's just what i gathered from a little internet research although quite scientific documents.

Eta, to make it a bit more hopefull for him if he expérienced something bad, a childs memory supposedly gets erased at 3/4 yo. A three year old will remember things from when he was two, but a four year old will not and kind of starts with a fresh slate. Just something i learned a long time ago regarding memory, not witnesses. And obviously, just generally speaking and as far as some researchers are aware. But just to say, he doesn't necessarily needs to be traumatized the rest of his life, whatever the circonstances where.

 

[Sillybilly]

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Read WS social media rules. It is a violation of Websleuths Terms of Service (aka The Rules) to link to or discuss the social media of anyone other than the victim or an officially named POI/suspect.

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[Gatherer]

Excellent point. That certain someone had been following him around for what 3-4 years according to him and they just happened to meet up in Hollywood, FL where she supposedly lives. Although, I could've sworn he said later on that the only reason he wouldn't leave Florida is because she's not from Florida and he didn't want to leave her stranded...JMO

A certain someone is not Leila.

 

[sleuthduif]

I thought about this, but how effective can a 2 year old be at communicating what he saw? I guess it's possible, but I don't know.

Another thing though, i forgot to mention, it's not even about the fact if he could actually be a witness, but if someone would fear him being capable of being a witness and wanting to not take that risk...

 

[LBDunes]

Well said. I totally agree with what you've said and instead of even pretending that he cared, he did a heavy duty job of character assasination. Who does that when someone considered a friend disappears?

This is very similar in a way to the Heather Elvis case. Not that HE was a friend of Tammy Moorer, but it seems to be the same reaction to the victim. Moorer struck out on social media and trashed HE. This SR person has done the same thing. Only who would have thought social media rantings about a victim couldn't get any crazier than Moorers? I think he's got her beat.

 

[LBDunes]

A question about what we can post. Is the moderator saying that we cannot mention SR at all? There are articles in the MSM about his social media rantings, but I guess he isn't officially a suspect yet. It's kind of confusing to me as to what we can say. Can we say anything about this person at all?

 

[sleuthduif]

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No worries, I enjoy translating legal speak into plain english. The only difference this might make is that lying to the cops is a state charge, but lying to the FBI is a federal charge. I wanted better clarification so i was looking at the legislative nots and its looks like most federal courts have ruled that that this charge is not applicable to mere denials of guilt because they do not impair the basic functions of the agency to which the statement is made, but the language of the law is written, intentionally, very broadly, so the FBI could use there discretion to charge for literally any lie. Its not super clear cut so it would really depend on whether the judge felt the charge was appropriate.

As a general rule, its usually not charged unless the lie cause some harm or obstructs law enforcement's ability to do their job. because like you said people lie all the time and its generally not a arrestable offense in usual circumstances. i was also wondering if the charges could relate to another case or if he could potentially have outstanding warrant or something like that

Thanks so much.
Gosh that seems so tricky, imagine you said it was a blue car, turns out to be brown, and so they missed it.
But how are you going to prove you truly where sure it was blue !?
No wonder you hear a lot remaining silent.

Very interesting that miranda rights are not required. So in the end any interview can be used against you as an interrogation in a way, about lies.

 

[sleuthduif]

“Then, Ryan said they spent the day eating out and at the beach. He said they returned to the same gas station, and that’s when she was last seen,” WSVN reports.

This statement ^^^^^by SR lines up with cellphone tower pings.

Did Leila leave RaceTrac with men in a black car as SR suggests? Could the black car statement be the lie to Federal officials?

Did SR go to the Everglades, as he stated he had plans to do, if so when?

She was last seen 26th early morning as per fbi press conference.... Msm have been putting different dates on the photo where she's at the grey lexus, so i'm not sure if that was of 26th or not, but if ever they saw on surveillance that she was with somebody that claimed otherwise...

 

[Sillybilly]

A question about what we can post. Is the moderator saying that we cannot mention SR at all? There are articles in the MSM about his social media rantings, but I guess he isn't officially a suspect yet. It's kind of confusing to me as to what we can say. Can we say anything about this person at all?

It is fine to discuss or speculate within reason on whatever SR has said in MSM or whatever is said about him or his social media in MSM. Just no sleuthing of or linking to their social media unless/until they are officially named POI/suspect by LE (or unless a thread specific exception is made by Tricia or Admin to allow such discussion. Thread specific exceptions are rarely made.)

 

[CharlestonGal]

This is a good MSM to link to. Almost everything we are talking about is discussed in this article and video.

Self-proclaimed witch doctor claims to know missing Alabama mother in Facebook video

 

[Ashildir]

I don't think he had any concern for her at all. He spent so much time defending himself, making excuses, and especially painting Leila out to be a terrible mother, irresponsible, and a thief! Without ever showing any concern for her at all.

An innocent person doesn't take the time to make an hour long video building a back story as an explanation as to why she must have gone missing. Then proceed to explain everywhere he went and point out that everything is on camera. He was trying too hard to steer the narrative.

He said he was the last person to see her. He knew the FBI wanted to talk to him again and was actively avoiding them. If he ever cared about her at all, he would have cooperated from the beginning and tried to look for her. He didn't even describe the black car or show her picture during his very long video.

I'm curious about what their relationship was too. I wonder if he ever really knew her before her visit to Florida.

ita - think the only concern he had, was how to get his backside out of trouble

 

[Sillybilly]

To answer a post that has been removed ...

Members may not sleuth SR's business and post about it on this public discussion thread.

There is a difference between discussing what is in MSM vs sleuthing. "Sleuthing" is seeking out information that is not contained in MSM (i.e. social media, personal information, businesses, background info, etc).

Members may sleuth on their own behind the scenes for whatever information they want, but just can't post it on this public discussion thread unless/until the individual has been named by LE as a POI/suspect. (Members can have private discussion where they can add up to 20 other members to the private conversation.)

Hope that clarifies. If members have questions, please private message a Mod or Admin so the thread doesn't become derailed with off topic info.

Thanks.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I wondered if that was a reason to not release him to the family, to keep him safe as he could be a witness even if he doesn't appear to be communicating coherently about this right now.

I honestly don't think LE would expect any type of reliable information from one this young. I just hope he didn't physically witness anything that could traumatize him.

MOO