Found Deceased FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #13

[ILikeToBendPages]

IMO, It looks like that gooey gray paint that was all over Maddie’s back pack.

Someone said that it could be fingerprint powder, and you can see, what I think is a handprint.

 

[ttjo]

On the 700 images at 4:22 there is a desktop with webcam on top of the monitor. Did they ever find the hard drive of SS desktop?

Not that I am aware of. That is still a mystery. someone said in an earlier thread he could have had an external drive, thing is, who do you believe? will the real Pinnocchio please stand up.

 

[ttjo]

Someone said that it could be fingerprint powder, and you can see, what I think is a handprint.

and it ran down like it got wet after. I think that its fingerprint powder given that they seized her car b/c SS took it to north port..

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

and it ran down like it got wet after. I think that its fingerprint powder given that they seized her car b/c SS took it to north port..

And the cadaver dog alerted at the right back corner IIRC of her car.

 

[Poedelini]

Just throwing this out there. It's interesting read. Article that doctors made.

Violence in Bipolar Disorder

What is the association between bipolar disorder, trauma, and violence? Here: a guide to assessing violence potential in bipolar patients.

www.psychiatrictimes.com

The link between trauma and violence in bipolar disorder

Childhood trauma history has been found to correlate with increased aggression in adults with and without affective disorders.1,2,13 In addition, there is an overlap between the neurochemical changes found in adults with histories of traumatic stress and those found in adults with increased impulsive aggression-in particular, increased functioning of both the catecholamine system and the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis.14

The prevalence of childhood trauma in persons with bipolar disorder combined with the risks that arise from the symptoms of the disorder itself renders bipolar patients at increased risk for violent behavior. Because childhood trauma has been associated with earlier onset and a greater number of episodes, there is more cumulative time when aggressive behavior is most likely to manifest. In addition, a history of trauma is associated with an increase in rates of substance abuse, which itself is associated with significant violence risk. Aggressiveness is often shown in different clinical settings, including bipolar, borderline, and antisocial personality disorders. Comorbidity with borderline personality disorder is associated with a higher risk of aggression in bipolar disorder during periods of euthymia.

Violence and aggression

Persons with bipolar disorder are at significantly increased risk for violence, with some history of violent behavior ranging from 9.4% to just under 50%, often in the presence of comorbid diagnoses.15-18 Bipolar patients are prone to agitation that can result in impulsive aggression during manic and mixed episodes. However, depressed states can involve intense dysphoria with agitation and irritability, which can also increase the risk of violent behavior. Bipolar patients may have chronic impulsivity during euthymia, predisposing them to aggression. This is especially true with comorbid features of borderline personality disorder. In fact, particularly high levels of impulsivity and aggression in a bipolar patient could be a strong indicator of comorbidity with borderline personality disorder.19

Impulsive aggression (as opposed to premeditated aggression) is most commonly associated with bipolar and other affective disorders. In animal models, premeditated aggression corresponds to predatory behavior, while impulsive aggression is a response to perceived threat (the fight in fight-or-flight). As either a state or trait, increased impulsive aggression is driven by an increase in the strength of aggressive impulses or a decrease in the ability to control these impulses. Neurochemically, impulsive aggression has been associated with low serotonin levels, high catecholamine levels, and a predominance of glutamatergic activity relative to γ-amino-butyric acid (GABA)ergic activity.20

 

[Hunter2_1]

Bolded for focus.

That was speculation only, and no evidence of this has ever been presented.

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I'd be absolutely stunned if they didn't know anything.

 

[ttjo]

I'd be absolutely stunned if they didn't know anything

One of them brought it up to Jenn about (SS/MS) sleeping in the same room, she responded Thank you in a text. it almost feels like everyone kept to themselves in their rooms, probably didnt interact much? look at all the food stored in Jenns room, like everyone keeps their own stuff but they all use the kitchen, laundry ?? its weird but almost like a rooming house.
I think it would be hard to keep the son in a room all night tho.

 

[Gemmie]

And the cadaver dog alerted at the right back corner IIRC of her car.

Yes, it was the rear passenger side wheel well. Pg 55 of 896:

Upon conducting the sweep K9 Archer showed a changed in behavior then gave a final alert by the rear passenger wheel well.

 

[AnyNameIWish]

One of them brought it up to Jenn about (SS/MS) sleeping in the same room, she responded Thank you in a text. it almost feels like everyone kept to themselves in their rooms, probably didnt interact much? look at all the food stored in Jenns room, like everyone keeps their own stuff but they all use the kitchen, laundry ?? its weird but almost like a rooming house.

Yep, when the housemate texted Jenn about SS being in bedroom 4 with Maddie.. the response was

"Thank you friend, you're good."= In other words....
"Mind your own shabizness, I'm OK with it."
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And YES. This setup reminds me of when I shared a 4 bedroom flat with 3 other housemates.. but even at that! We did NOT bring packages of food / bags of cookies/ snacks into our rooms. Jenn literally has a full pantry shelf in her bedroom.
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N mentions in her own interview that she and A bonded at times if A were cooking something in the kitchen... but beyond that, it seems to me both housemates were there to sleep and store their belongings... although N says she is a best friend of Jenn's sister- she wasn't at Maddie's birthday party at Grandma's. You can hear a bit of contempt in N's voice remembering how SS was "part of the furniture" at the townhouse. SS being present in a house of 3 adult women and 2 children was clearly not a welcome sight for her. It kind of reminds me of dorm life when a significant other starts hanging out in a small 2 bedroom college flat. It's like... WHY ARE YOU HERE.......

 

[MollyDDD]

I'd be absolutely stunned if they didn't know anything.

 

[MollyDDD]

Yes, it was the rear passenger side wheel well. Pg 55 of 896:

Upon conducting the sweep K9 Archer showed a changed in behavior then gave a final alert by the rear passenger wheel well.

Amazing animals.

 

[Hunter2_1]

Amazing animals.

Absolutely. With unconditional love for their partners/handlers

 

[Pruddennce]

Not trying to distract from the conversation, but sharing a room with your 15 year old son??

from the audio interview, she said her son is 12. seems like a typo(15) in the docs released. its different hearing the entire interview. she is best friends with JS's sister. and did live with JS and her sister at some point years ago.

she said SS was out of the house 6-8 months prior to coming back...this is the period where JS was open to complaining about him and it was mostly about money. but then he came back and was staying in Room #4 for 4 months and was out again by December and she and JS hardly talked with each other.

ok...this Im scratching my head about: she claims that JS wanted Madeline to sleep with HER. not Madeline wanting to be with JS. she would hear Madeline's alarm go off in JS's room when she was in the kitchen area before she left for work. she infers this is when SS moved out.

when he was living there, she said she never thought Madeline wasnt sleeping in the living room bedroom area. (and she's been there just about 2 years) but then she said she never saw Madeline actually sleeping in her own bed. only saw her on her computer or hanging in that makeshift bedroom area. she didnt think Madeline was home monday morning. she didnt know SS was there that nite/morning either. she heard nothing, saw nothing, despite making lunches in the kitchen at 7:30-7:40 then leaving.

det. told her they got a tip about her knowing something and asked her if she told anyone about her alerting JS about Madeline being alone with SS in the room because she was going out...(which she claims the door wasnt all the way closed, they were playing atari (game sounds). she said yes, she told Stephanie(JS's sister) but claims they didnt have any in depth conversation about it.

but goes on to say she didnt want to make a big deal about it with JS and then have a beef with her. she asked JS
if it was ok and was told yes.

she wasnt invited to the birthday party, it was super close family only. yet her and her son and JS and Madeline did things together, like going to the pool. and celebrated holidays and/or birthdays in the house together which she claims is the only time they didnt spend time in their room OR cooking, they may all be hanging there, both kids. but most of the time, work, school, come home, eat, homework and bed.

unfortunately, IMO she is one of those individuals who now has extreme guilt for not taking action with JS (she says so, she wished she was more alert), and probably JS's sister feels the same way who was alerted by her. or possibly JS's mother.

all in all, IMO, no one will say anything specific now, if they did suspect something was realllllllllllllllly more than a red flag. its interesting because she herself was abused, she says and was very cautious regarding her own child.

 

[Pruddennce]

I'm re-listening to N the housemate and she clearly says her son is 12.

It's a master bedroom with bathroom attached. It seemed that the kid goes to other parent's place for part of the time. She states she wanted to rent the other room for her son but financially didn't work.

At age 12, sharing a room out of necessity is not a big deal to me. 15 or 16 would be a harder sell.

IIRC, her son would be dropped off at the grandparents who would take him to school in the morning. I didnt see (or missed it) that he was only with her part time. from her interview it appears her son lives with her all of the time:

N: I try to be out the house between 7:45 well I have to be out the house by 7:36 but like 7:45 is the time that I'm trying to like be out. and from there I drop my son off here (parents house) so that my parents can take him to school he needs to be at school by 9:00 and I start work at 9:00 so I'm typically here (parents house)
between 8:15 and 8:20 and then I it takes me about 30 40 minutes to get to work depending on traffic. I work in the office so I'm there until so Monday Tuesday Thursday Friday I'm there between 9 I get there and 3:30... on
Wednesdays I'm there between 9:00 and 2:30
Det: cuz Wednesday is early day
N: early day right yeah
N: we either have dinner here (parents house) or I make something at home mhm so we could be home between and that's like let's say if I don't have to pick anything up, we're home between 6:00 and 7:00 we're home between 6:00 and 7:00 I finish like an hour of work he finishes his homework mhm then we start getting ready for bed and we're tucked
in by 8:30 I either fall asleep with with him mhm or I stay up watching TV and finishing work until I fall asleep.

I felt uncomfortable listening to her interview, IMO, she was holding back ALOT.

 

[Gemmie]

from the audio interview, she said her son is 12. seems like a typo(15) in the docs released.

What's weird is it's not a typo because the 896 dump didn't say he was 15, it says he's fifteen (as opposed to twelve). So I guess someone just misheard or misremembered or something. You'd think those docs wouldn't have those sorts of errors in them.

 

[MollyDDD]

from the audio interview, she said her son is 12. seems like a typo(15) in the docs released. its different hearing the entire interview. she is best friends with JS's sister. and did live with JS and her sister at some point years ago.

she said SS was out of the house 6-8 months prior to coming back...this is the period where JS was open to complaining about him and it was mostly about money. but then he came back and was staying in Room #4 for 4 months and was out again by December and she and JS hardly talked with each other.

ok...this Im scratching my head about: she claims that JS wanted Madeline to sleep with HER. not Madeline wanting to be with JS. she would hear Madeline's alarm go off in JS's room when she was in the kitchen area before she left for work. she infers this is when SS moved out.

when he was living there, she said she never thought Madeline wasnt sleeping in the living room bedroom area. (and she's been there just about 2 years) but then she said she never saw Madeline actually sleeping in her own bed. only saw her on her computer or hanging in that makeshift bedroom area. she didnt think Madeline was home monday morning. she didnt know SS was there that nite/morning either. she heard nothing, saw nothing, despite making lunches in the kitchen at 7:30-7:40 then leaving.

det. told her they got a tip about her knowing something and asked her if she told anyone about her alerting JS about Madeline being alone with SS in the room because she was going out...(which she claims the door wasnt all the way closed, they were playing atari (game sounds). she said yes, she told Stephanie(JS's sister) but claims they didnt have any in depth conversation about it.

but goes on to say she didnt want to make a big deal about it with JS and then have a beef with her. she asked JS
if it was ok and was told yes.

she wasnt invited to the birthday party, it was super close family only. yet her and her son and JS and Madeline did things together, like going to the pool. and celebrated holidays and/or birthdays in the house together which she claims is the only time they didnt spend time in their room OR cooking, they may all be hanging there, both kids. but most of the time, work, school, come home, eat, homework and bed.

unfortunately, IMO she is one of those individuals who now has extreme guilt for not taking action with JS (she says so, she wished she was more alert), and probably JS's sister feels the same way who was alerted by her. or possibly JS's mother.

all in all, IMO, no one will say anything specific now, if they did suspect something was realllllllllllllllly more than a red flag. its interesting because she herself was abused, she says and was very cautious regarding her own child.

Wow, that is so interesting.

 

[MollyDDD]

IIRC, her son would be dropped off at the grandparents who would take him to school in the morning. I didnt see (or missed it) that he was only with her part time. from her interview it appears her son lives with her all of the time:

N: I try to be out the house between 7:45 well I have to be out the house by 7:36 but like 7:45 is the time that I'm trying to like be out. and from there I drop my son off here (parents house) so that my parents can take him to school he needs to be at school by 9:00 and I start work at 9:00 so I'm typically here (parents house)
between 8:15 and 8:20 and then I it takes me about 30 40 minutes to get to work depending on traffic. I work in the office so I'm there until so Monday Tuesday Thursday Friday I'm there between 9 I get there and 3:30... on
Wednesdays I'm there between 9:00 and 2:30
Det: cuz Wednesday is early day
N: early day right yeah
N: we either have dinner here (parents house) or I make something at home mhm so we could be home between and that's like let's say if I don't have to pick anything up, we're home between 6:00 and 7:00 we're home between 6:00 and 7:00 I finish like an hour of work he finishes his homework mhm then we start getting ready for bed and we're tucked
in by 8:30 I either fall asleep with with him mhm or I stay up watching TV and finishing work until I fall asleep.

I felt uncomfortable listening to her interview, IMO, she was holding back ALOT.

Wow, even more interesting.