FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #19

[nobodynoz]

I'm sorry, Bern. I guess I'm not explaining my reasoning very clearly.

It's not the time he originally gave (although I agree that 42 minutes is indeed way off, like uscgirl says), it's that he said he left for Rose right when Michelle left.

If Michelle stayed 10 minutes, that means she left at about 3:30, and Dale left then too.

But Dale apparently, according to an eyewitness, didn't arrive at his parents' house until 4:30.

 

[katydid23]

I understand what you are saying, but I was thinking he just didn't have a good sense of time when he was asked hours later by LE when she arrived, when he got to his dad's place. Men are like that, more than woman. My husband tells me "it only takes a few minutes" but in reality what he is referring too, takes an hour. I am not making excuses for Dale, I don't like his past or the way he treated Michelle, but I do want the right person to pay for her disappearance. I also know LE named him a POI, but let's see what they come up with by the end of the month. If they had something that was hard evidence, Dale would be behind bars, for sure!

I try to look at these case with two sets of direction to see which one fits the best, regardless of the media, or rumors or past actions. In the beginning I was 100% sure he killed her, but as time goes by and things come to light and we don't find her body, I like to back track and see what is wrong. Too me, it is just so easy to make this Dale's deal, but why? Is he so blinded that he picked the worst day of her life to make her go missing and point a finger right at him? That is what confuses me, not that he is such a great guy and would never hurt a fly, we know he beat up and kicked a man who ended up dead, but that this all points to him and yet some think he planned it. I don't see a lot of smart planning on his part, except where is Michelle? If this was a rage, out of control kill, there would have been evidence on him, inside the condo, maybe even in the truck or hummer, but nothing. If it was planned, why toss the phone where LE can find it? Why leave it on until 8pm? Heck, why even take it? The hummer I get, he wouldn't want to trash it, if he owes on it and wants it back. But leaving it there, made it easy to spot and less time for him to dispose of Michelle. So that is what I am kicking around here, was it Dale, or a hit, or SODDI, or what?

He may have done some pre-planning, because as you noted, Michelle has not been found. That shows it might not have been a hasty or sloppy deed.

As for it being a 'smart' plan, probably not. I don't think that anyone who kills their spouse is 'smart.' It is not a highly evolved thing to do. Only stupid and ignorant people actually murder their partners, no matter how 'smart' they think they are. imo

I think he may have had it sort of planned out, like he imagined that someday it might be necessary. And maybe something set him off that day and he set his somewhat sloppy plan into motion. But I don't think it was a blind rage, the kind that would leave behind blood splatter. All he had to do was get behind her long enough to get a rope around her windpipe and he could incapacitate her well enough to put her in a trunk or a cabinet in his work trunk. And if she was not dead then it would not leave any forensics behind either.

I think he took the phone because he wanted to keep tabs on who was looking for her and have an idea about when LE might be coming around to check on him. It doesn't seem to matter that it pinged here or there because it is not absolute proof of anything, so far anyway.

Even though LE found her cell phone it has not brought about any arrests, so maybe it was not that bad of a blunder after all.

 

[Cblewife]

If DSII's handle JediScout is a reflection of him or what he wishes he was, then are his other handles more personalities? For instance... Cowboy.... does he engage in cowboy like activities.... riding, etc. in the same manner he does with his Star Wars persona, and if so..... where?

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

Does anyone know if/who from her family took a lie detector test???

 

[Skully]

Does anyone know if/who from her family took a lie detector test???

I haven't read anything on LDTs, has anyone?

 

[joerose]

Not destroying the hummer could have been intentional, to keep it in good condition for the owner. And her purse and belongings could have been left to ensure a fast ID. But leaving the hummer there was a risk, because thugs could have taken it and stripped down too. You walk by, see a purse, and think, maybe some money in there and take the hummer too. So it could go either way.

I hadn't thought of this, but maybe that is exactly why the purse was left in the Hummer. So someone would break into it and steal the purse and hopefully the Hummer too.:waitasec:

 

[Cblewife]

I hadn't thought of this, but maybe that is exactly why the purse was left in the Hummer. So someone would break into it and steal the purse and hopefully the Hummer too.:waitasec:

BBM - My thoughts too. Was there ever confirmation that the keys were missing or is that just speculation?

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

I hadn't thought of this, but maybe that is exactly why the purse was left in the Hummer. So someone would break into it and steal the purse and hopefully the Hummer too.:waitasec:

I think this could be a definite possibility, but it was found parked in the apartment complex, that, ONLY in IMO, doesn't look to be in a "bad" neighborhood. Not that break ins ONLY happen in bad neighborhoods, but IIRC, it was found the next day by a LE officer making a "routine" check of the area, and a woman walking her dog puts it there at 10:30 pm-ish.
Now, I don't know EXACTLY "how"...meaning parked in a space "nicely", or as I've read, "found on a curb" in the complex.
I can be more than sure somebody knows exactly where/how it was parked when it was found, just haven't gone thru ALL the media links on that thread....kinda got left in the dust with the fast moving threads.

That whole finding of the truck, location, condition, and contents STILL is one of the biggest things driving me nuts!


ETA: That's what's making me lean a bit (just a BIT) less toward DS2...and maybe more towards someone who's close to MP or the family....or, obviously, someone close to DS2. Guess that's why I was asking about any LDT's done on anyone else.

 

[Skully]

I know Dale has requested that child support payments be given back to him as he had the kids, but what about the father of the 11 yr old? Did he pay child support and is he asking the courts for money back and to stop payments, he is after all in custody of the child.

If the family thinks she is dead, that Dale killed her, well why would support payments continue?

 

[Skully]

I think this could be a definite possibility, but it was found parked in the apartment complex, that, ONLY in IMO, doesn't look to be in a "bad" neighborhood. Not that break ins ONLY happen in bad neighborhoods, but IIRC, it was found the next day by a LE officer making a "routine" check of the area, and a woman walking her dog puts it there at 10:30 pm-ish.
Now, I don't know EXACTLY "how"...meaning parked in a space "nicely", or as I've read, "found on a curb" in the complex.
I can be more than sure somebody knows exactly where/how it was parked when it was found, just haven't gone thru ALL the media links on that thread....kinda got left in the dust with the fast moving threads.

That whole finding of the truck, location, condition, and contents STILL is one of the biggest things driving me nuts!


ETA: That's what's making me lean a bit (just a BIT) less toward DS2...and maybe more towards someone who's close to MP or the family....or, obviously, someone close to DS2. Guess that's why I was asking about any LDT's done on anyone else.

Actually this is a bad area for car thefts. And other thing, why didn't the person just take the decal off and toss it into the back seat or just toss it period? The purpose of taking the decal off was to drive it to this location without it being noticed as the missing hummer of Michelle Parker. So you take it off, toss it aside and drive to the location and leave, but once again, someone had to pick you up, because you don't have wheels. But they took the decal with them. Was it because of prints on the decal, or just couldn't leave it in the trash as it incriminates you, or you took it with you when your ride came?

I am considering the possiabity that Dale was set up.

1. Someone could have known he would be looked at, because of his history.
2. Hummer is left to be found, decal is gone.
3 Purse and ID left for LE to find and confirm early on it is Michelle's hummer.
4 Phone tossed close to Dale's condo
5 Someone knew the camera was at the condo and made sure they went out another way.
6 Dale is last person with her, maybe they knew her schedule of dropping off twins.
7 Knew the PC aired that day; so why would Dale pick this day to make her go missing?

there is more, but you get the picture. These are all red flags to me.

LE Is checking everyone in her life I am sure, but you have to; she worked at a bar and did spray tanning out of the Hummer. Someone could have been watching her and knew they wouldn't be looked at because of Dale.

 

[Cblewife]

Actually this is a bad area for car thefts. And other thing, why didn't the person just take the decal off and toss it into the back seat or just toss it period? The purpose of taking the decal off was to drive it to this location without it being noticed as the missing hummer of Michelle Parker. So you take it off, toss it aside and drive to the location and leave, but once again, someone had to pick you up, because you don't have wheels. But they took the decal with them. Was it because of prints on the decal, or just couldn't leave it in the trash as it incriminates you, or you took it with you when your ride came?

I am considering the possiabity that Dale was set up.

1. Someone could have known he would be looked at, because of his history.
2. Hummer is left to be found, decal is gone.
3 Purse and ID left for LE to find and confirm early on it is Michelle's hummer.
4 Phone tossed close to Dale's condo
5 Someone knew the camera was at the condo and made sure they went out another way.
6 Dale is last person with her, maybe they knew her schedule of dropping off twins.
7 Knew the PC aired that day; so why would Dale pick this day to make her go missing?

there is more, but you get the picture. These are all red flags to me.

LE Is checking everyone in her life I am sure, but you have to; she worked at a bar and did spray tanning out of the Hummer. Someone could have been watching her and knew they wouldn't be looked at because of Dale.

My 1st thought is "Why?" Why would someone want to set up Dale? If that's the case, wouldn't it still have to be someone close to them to know about the PC airing etc. I'm thinking if Michelle was embarrassed by it as reported, then she didn't go around telling a bunch of folks it would be on. It just seems like a stranger wouldn't know all these things, so who would that leave?
IT'S JUST MOO

 

[Omachka]

Actually this is a bad area for car thefts. And other thing, why didn't the person just take the decal off and toss it into the back seat or just toss it period? The purpose of taking the decal off was to drive it to this location without it being noticed as the missing hummer of Michelle Parker. So you take it off, toss it aside and drive to the location and leave, but once again, someone had to pick you up, because you don't have wheels. But they took the decal with them. Was it because of prints on the decal, or just couldn't leave it in the trash as it incriminates you, or you took it with you when your ride came?

I am considering the possiabity that Dale was set up.

1. Someone could have known he would be looked at, because of his history.
2. Hummer is left to be found, decal is gone.
3 Purse and ID left for LE to find and confirm early on it is Michelle's hummer.
4 Phone tossed close to Dale's condo
5 Someone knew the camera was at the condo and made sure they went out another way.
6 Dale is last person with her, maybe they knew her schedule of dropping off twins.
7 Knew the PC aired that day; so why would Dale pick this day to make her go missing?

there is more, but you get the picture. These are all red flags to me.

LE Is checking everyone in her life I am sure, but you have to; she worked at a bar and did spray tanning out of the Hummer. Someone could have been watching her and knew they wouldn't be looked at because of Dale.

Does DS2 have any friends that live in the area where the hummer was found? That would eliminate the need for "somebody" to have a ride away from the hummer. I've always felt like the hummer was parked undamaged with her purse in it so that it would be found and then returned to DS2 as the owner. I still think he did this but I don't think he did it alone. I think she got "ambushed" when she arrived at his condo. He then took the kids to his parents to establish his alibi and "somebody" drove off with Michelle in the hummer. I also feel if you find her, you will find the decal. All JMO, of course. I think about this case a lot and this is where my mind is right now. I do see your point here for a set up to try and get Dale in trouble but I can't figure out what the motive would be. Was it against Dale or against Michelle? Someone would really have to hate one or both of them and a motive like that would probably have come to light in the investigation by now, wouldn't it? (then again we don't know what the investigation has come up with <sigh>)

ETA: Also, I would think if it was a frame up MP would have been found already and she would be near DS2's house also to point to him. Since that didn't happen, I'm pretty sure he is actually involved.

 

[Cblewife]

Does DS2 have any friends that live in the area where the hummer was found? That would eliminate the need for "somebody" to have a ride away from the hummer. I've always felt like the hummer was parked undamaged with her purse in it so that it would be found and then returned to DS2 as the owner. I still think he did this but I don't think he did it alone. I think she got "ambushed" when she arrived at his condo. He then took the kids to his parents to establish his alibi and "somebody" drove off with Michelle in the hummer. I also feel if you find her, you will find the decal. All JMO, of course. I think about this case a lot and this is where my mind is right now. I do see your point here for a set up to try and get Dale in trouble but I can't figure out what the motive would be. Was it against Dale or against Michelle? Someone would really have to hate one or both of them and a motive like that would probably have come to light in the investigation by now, wouldn't it? (then again we don't know what the investigation has come up with <sigh>)

ETA: Also, I would think if it was a frame up MP would have been found already and she would be near DS2's house also to point to him. Since that didn't happen, I'm pretty sure he is actually involved.

BBM - Pretty much sums up my thoughts.

 

[Skully]

Does DS2 have any friends that live in the area where the hummer was found? That would eliminate the need for "somebody" to have a ride away from the hummer. I've always felt like the hummer was parked undamaged with her purse in it so that it would be found and then returned to DS2 as the owner. I still think he did this but I don't think he did it alone. I think she got "ambushed" when she arrived at his condo. He then took the kids to his parents to establish his alibi and "somebody" drove off with Michelle in the hummer. I also feel if you find her, you will find the decal. All JMO, of course. I think about this case a lot and this is where my mind is right now. I do see your point here for a set up to try and get Dale in trouble but I can't figure out what the motive would be. Was it against Dale or against Michelle? Someone would really have to hate one or both of them and a motive like that would probably have come to light in the investigation by now, wouldn't it? (then again we don't know what the investigation has come up with <sigh>)

ETA: Also, I would think if it was a frame up MP would have been found already and she would be near DS2's house also to point to him. Since that didn't happen, I'm pretty sure he is actually involved.

BBM

I don't think they had to hate Dale, but be obsessed with Michelle. If it is someone who knew enough about her life, they would just figure they would be looking at Dale for the kidnapping because of the history they have together. I don't know if this is what happened, but I am throwing it out there because of some of the things that don't make sense. If it all fits then you have your man, but some of it seems to fit too nicely together. He may be sloppy at covering his tracks but smart enough to know that without a body or anything tying him to her; like hard evidence, he gets away with it.

 

[Kamille]

BBM

I don't think they had to hate Dale, but be obsessed with Michelle. If it is someone who knew enough about her life, they would just figure they would be looking at Dale for the kidnapping because of the history they have together. I don't know if this is what happened, but I am throwing it out there because of some of the things that don't make sense. If it all fits then you have your man, but some of it seems to fit too nicely together. He may be sloppy at covering his tracks but smart enough to know that without a body or anything tying him to her; like hard evidence, he gets away with it.

I don't think he was all that sloppy at covering his tracks, in fact I think he was pretty crafty with some of the things that were done. I just think there were some issues that he wasn't aware of that came up after the fact to point the finger directly at him and likely an accomplice. And if he thought for a moment that someone was trying to "fit him up" for this, I'd think he'd be working very hard with LE to try to help solve this. This is the mother of his children. A woman that he wanted to marry at one point. It's in his best interest and his children's to help LE in any way he can to get to the bottom of this and clear his name. Instead he chooses to hide behind a high powered attorney and say nothing. Why?

Take the polygraph, answer the questions about the discrepancies, clear your name and help find your children's mother. Give LE any and all information that you think might help. Get in your vehicle and start searching every place you can think of where she might have a contact. Stay on LE and make sure they are doing everything possible to find your children's mother. Because they need her. Or at least need to know the truth. That's how you do it when you're innocent. He's done none of this.

IMO only of course.

 

[Elisaa444]

I don't think he was all that sloppy at covering his tracks, in fact I think he was pretty crafty with some of the things that were done. I just think there were some issues that he wasn't aware of that came up after the fact to point the finger directly at him and likely an accomplice. And if he thought for a moment that someone was trying to "fit him up" for this, I'd think he'd be working very hard with LE to try to help solve this. This is the mother of his children. A woman that he wanted to marry at one point. It's in his best interest and his children's to help LE in any way he can to get to the bottom of this and clear his name. Instead he chooses to hide behind a high powered attorney and say nothing. Why?

Take the polygraph, answer the questions about the discrepancies, clear your name and help find your children's mother. Give LE any and all information that you think might help. Get in your vehicle and start searching every place you can think of where she might have a contact. Stay on LE and make sure they are doing everything possible to find your children's mother. Because they need her. Or at least need to know the truth. That's how you do it when you're innocent. He's done none of this.

IMO only of course.

:goodpost:


I have tried to exclude Dalejr when I think about what happened to MP. However, I have not been able to do so because of the above points that Kamille has made. The decisions that Dalejr is making and has made do not make sense to me if he is an innocent man in all of this. His decisions, imo, do not pass the sniff test. Like Kamille said this is his children's mother. IF he were truly innocent you would think he would want to do everything he could to clear himself, so LE can move on and find the "real perp." His kids will grow up one day and what will they hear about their daddy? I do not understand Dalejr's actions at this point and imo, his actions or lackof make me believe he is involved in Michelle's disappearance. I really can't wait for MP to be found and the wheels of justice to start turning. It's time. Past time. My heart breaks for her three children.

MOO. Moo. moo.

 

[stilettos]

Praying that Michelle is found soon and the perp starts serving his time in the hands of Lady Justice, hard time.

 

[hon3yb33]

I think everyone here has a lot of good suggestions as to what or why and some are just way out ther IMO. I would just like to put some questions out there to think about but as myself and not a friend. As far as I know through media the Hummer has not been given back to DS and I would assume they would have to hold it until this was all said and done. If someone knows for sure these procedures please let me know. Based on my assumptions why would he not just go to court for it? I don't remember it being mentioned on PC.

I do not follow a lot of these types of cases but if LE felt so strongly to name him the one and only no doubt about it suspect they would have had to have a lot of evidence so why no arrest? Now I know with an arrest the clock starts ticking down to trial but they felt really confident to announce it so many days into the investigation without a body so why not arrest?

Also some opinions seem to contradict themselves IMO for example some say he planned it but why he do it on a day she is dropping off the twins TO HIM and right after to PC showing nationally? Why not wait til the twins are not around and she's getting off work or something? Some time that would not lead directly to him? Then some say it was heat of the moment but there was not evidence that we have heard of from the search of his home to make it seem like there was a struggle. If it was in the heat of the moment you would think there would be some mistakes but she has not been found.

I've always felt like this had something to do with her bartending. She worked in some shady areas where all type of people go to drink. She was obviously a friendly girl since everyone seems to have good things to say about her, maybe someone took that "friendly service" to the extreme. Maybe it was someone who knew about her and DS and waited for their chance but then she got together with NM and it set them off??

It just all seems to fall together so nicely around him and I would think that if someone would go to the trouble to actually harm someone that they would not let it all the evidence circle around them. Also just one more little nugget to chew on and a question.. Was it not stated that DS was being cooperative? Until of course the lie dectector situation? Then he was named suspect because of that? I would certainly get a defense attorney after being named the only suspect in my ex's disapperance whether I was guilty or not. Plus DS has been around this type of situation before he knows it's all going to come out during the investigation so you think with his knowledge of the criminal system it would be best to get an attorney as to not incriminate yourself guilty or not. At least that would be the way I would thinking. But this is MOO!

 

[nobodynoz]

Does anyone know if/who from her family took a lie detector test???

I don't think there's anything out there to answer this question currently, but it's a good one for the question list. Thanks!

 

[Jazzmaster]

I think everyone here has a lot of good suggestions as to what or why and some are just way out ther IMO. I would just like to put some questions out there to think about but as myself and not a friend. As far as I know through media the Hummer has not been given back to DS and I would assume they would have to hold it until this was all said and done. If someone knows for sure these procedures please let me know. Based on my assumptions why would he not just go to court for it? I don't remember it being mentioned on PC.

I do not follow a lot of these types of cases but if LE felt so strongly to name him the one and only no doubt about it suspect they would have had to have a lot of evidence so why no arrest? Now I know with an arrest the clock starts ticking down to trial but they felt really confident to announce it so many days into the investigation without a body so why not arrest?

Also some opinions seem to contradict themselves IMO for example some say he planned it but why he do it on a day she is dropping off the twins TO HIM and right after to PC showing nationally? Why not wait til the twins are not around and she's getting off work or something? Some time that would not lead directly to him? Then some say it was heat of the moment but there was not evidence that we have heard of from the search of his home to make it seem like there was a struggle. If it was in the heat of the moment you would think there would be some mistakes but she has not been found.

I've always felt like this had something to do with her bartending. She worked in some shady areas where all type of people go to drink. She was obviously a friendly girl since everyone seems to have good things to say about her, maybe someone took that "friendly service" to the extreme. Maybe it was someone who knew about her and DS and waited for their chance but then she got together with NM and it set them off??

It just all seems to fall together so nicely around him and I would think that if someone would go to the trouble to actually harm someone that they would not let it all the evidence circle around them. Also just one more little nugget to chew on and a question.. Was it not stated that DS was being cooperative? Until of course the lie dectector situation? Then he was named suspect because of that? I would certainly get a defense attorney after being named the only suspect in my ex's disapperance whether I was guilty or not. Plus DS has been around this type of situation before he knows it's all going to come out during the investigation so you think with his knowledge of the criminal system it would be best to get an attorney as to not incriminate yourself guilty or not. At least that would be the way I would thinking. But this is MOO!

Seems the case is slowing down a bit… I've seen a few good theories thrown out the past few days… IMO I think "if" Dale WAS framed it's probably the same guy who framed Josh Powell & OJ... Just saying

If you have followed the case from the beginning and tracked Dale's activity (online and in person), his inactions and behavior, IMO none of this would lead a person to reasonably conclude Dale played no role in Michelle's disappearance. IMO there is evidence linking Dale to various online “personas” on Facebook and other forums that if he were “innocent” such evidence would not exist… Why take time to blame the victim if you truly care about her, concerned about your kids not having a mother, and want to see her found?

That being said, there has not been sufficient evidence to prove a crime was committed and Dale was involved. This DOES NOT mean he is innocent, simply that the DA probably does not think the case is winnable at this point. He was good at covering the right tracks. IMO DA’s like to look good and want slam dunk cases… No body, no DNA, and no witnesses does not make an easy case… The cookie crumbs all lead back to Dale so he did make mistakes and I have seen quite a few of them. His day in jail is coming. May take a while but I am confident the truth will eventually "come out"...

For now, some things Dale has going for him:

1. Time - it's been more than 4 months since MP was last seen.

2. 42 minutes magically disappeared and conveniently aided Dale in establishing an alibi

3. No DNA, witnesses, or body found. These provide reasonable doubt and keep Dale out of jail. They show either good pre planning or an extraordinary ability to cover up a crime. I lean toward the former rather than the later.

Many will say if this was planned, why that day, why would he want to be the last known person to see her, etc, etc, etc…

IMO November 17th was carefully chosen to provide reasonable doubt. Michelle was embarrassed. Did she just disappear to avoid embarrassment? Dale’s actions on FB via his bragging about being on the show add credibility to this day being important. He can then say, “Hey look I wasn’t mad I was telling everyone about it”… The date helps him with reasonable doubt. Why would he be that stupid to plan that date? IMO it helps him more than harms him...

His place (condo) is important as it gives him the largest amount of control/access and least likelihood that witnesses see anything. The time of day is important as Dale would most likely know who was and wasn’t at work that day. There was probably no struggle as Dale could have ambushed her, drugged her and taken her alive or snapped her neck and placed her in items that would prevent detection (storage container, plastic, etc.)

It just all seems to fall together so nicely around him because IMO it was him involved. No matter how hard I try to keep an open mind, everything leads back to Dale...