FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #19

[Pias]

So, is it something in the "phone records" that we do not know about? That is where I'm gonna place my bet.

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

So, is it something in the "phone records" that we do not know about? That is where I'm gonna place my bet.

I think this might go hand in hand with what you're saying...kinda sort of...but maybe LE is spending too much time searching the lakes, etc and not enough time on other deserted areas???
I know they MUST be going off pings and other info, but what if all that is "red herrings", so to speak??

 

[Analyze This]

So now your saying Michelle, the phone lover, would not call to find out where Dale was? Nah. Not gonna buy that one.

I didn't say that she didn't call him. Maybe she did. We also don't know what the regular schedule of visitation was. Was this a scheduled drop off? Did she bring the twins to DS II's every Thursday? Or did they talk earlier that day or the previous day? If yes, did he tell her that he might not be home and that she should bring the twins to his parent's house? Or, was there a text that indicated that information?

Personally, I think that it would've been easier for DS II to pull this off if everything went down at his parent's house, including the cover up. JMO

 

[Pias]

it isnt the AFTER 3:18 calls to which I refer, personally. I refer to earlier calls, scheduling the drop off with Dale.

 

[Skully]

Thanks for pointing this out. It made me take a hard look at my assumptions.

Maybe DS II was not home when MP arrived at the condo. Perhaps she made an assumption that he was at his parent's house or knew that he would be going there. She may have left the condo and drove to his parent's home. If that is possible, it would explain the raid at DS II's parent's home and the searches that have been focused in that area. It would also "fit" DS II's timeline of arriving at his parent's home at 4:30pm. This scenario would also explain people saying that they had seen the hummer in the area on more than one occasion. Maybe MP had a habit of dropping the twins off with their grandparents if DS II was not home.

I wish we knew if anyone saw him arrive in his truck and with the twins. Or, did he arrive in his truck without the twins because they were already at his parent's house?

I got so locked into thinking that whatever happened occurred at the condo that I never considered that MP may have left on her own power and encountered trouble at an alternate location.

Thank you, a voice of reason. Everyone assumes that Michelle was killed or something at the condo, but there is no evidence of that, or Dale would be behind bars. Even if he tried to strangle her, as some have surmised, she would have fought back, there would be scratches and evidence on Dale she fought him. I am not saying she didn't drive into the condo, just that we can't assume anything in this case. If she was seen on the video at the condo, then it would be 3:18, but we don't. So the last known sighting of her, or her voice on the phone to someone, is 2:30. She may very welll have gone to the condo, found him not home, and circled around and back out to head to Dale SR. But for now we don't know. I still wonder why they think 2:30 to 6pm? What evidence points to this 6pm cut off? It may be a sighting, but not comfirmed, a phone text message, but once again, not comfirmed she sent it.

 

[Pias]

it isnt the AFTER 3:18 calls to which I refer, personally. I refer to earlier calls, scheduling the drop off with Dale.

The calls we HAVEN'T heard about. The ones that you KNOW were made because it is how Michelle works. It was scheduled. I'll bet it! It was confirmed! I'll bet it! AND I'll bet she even called on her way over at some point... possibly as, or just before, she left the salon, to make sure it was on cuz she probably would have either gotten her HAIR done, if it wasn't gonna work out, or went home to meet her 11 yo after getting the twins. MOO

 

[Lark2]

I don't know if we are allowed to link to Michelle's missing facebook page but I think Yvonne has a different time frame for her going missing than we are working with. If what she states is correct we are off by 48 minutes. Meaning they think she went missing 48 minutes before that time stamp on the video of 3:18. They also have a spread of about 3 hours and 48 minutes. I am not sure why the difference but that would mean that maybe she didn't drive that hummer to the condo. It could be that since they can't ID the person driving into the condo, that they can't assume it was her and this accounts for the difference in the time line. It really doesn't tell us much, other than they are not taking anything for granted in this case.

Wow, a lot of assumptions being made from the simple statement of fact that the twins' babysitter was the last know person to see her alive. I wonder what Yvonne and LE would think about having their names invoked in this way, as if this is what they believe?

 

[Skully]

They are setting the clock back to the salon, not the sitter

She didn't have the kids with her at the salon. If Dale picked the kids up from daycare, or sitter, she would have said so. So Michelle had to have picked up the kids and then traveled back towards the condo.

 

[Lark2]

Even if he tried to strangle her, as some have surmised, she would have fought back, there would be scratches and evidence on Dale she fought him.

Says who?

I still wonder why they think 2:30 to 6pm? What evidence points to this 6pm cut off? It may be a sighting, but not comfirmed, a phone text message, but once again, not comfirmed she sent it.

Please provide a link or the text that leads to this statement. I'm disturbed by the assumptions being put out there as facts and attributed to Yvonne and LE.

 

[Analyze This]

Thank you, a voice of reason. Everyone assumes that Michelle was killed or something at the condo, but there is no evidence of that, or Dale would be behind bars. Even if he tried to strangle her, as some have surmised, she would have fought back, there would be scratches and evidence on Dale she fought him. I am not saying she didn't drive into the condo, just that we can't assume anything in this case. If she was seen on the video at the condo, then it would be 3:18, but we don't. So the last known sighting of her, or her voice on the phone to someone, is 2:30. She may very welll have gone to the condo, found him not home, and circled around and back out to head to Dale SR. But for now we don't know. I still wonder why they think 2:30 to 6pm? What evidence points to this 6pm cut off? It may be a sighting, but not comfirmed, a phone text message, but once again, not comfirmed she sent it.

I agree about the 6pm cut off. It could be a tip that was given relating to the Hummer. Again, without confirmation that MP was alone and driving the vehicle it can't be considered a sighting of MP, but I imagine that it would add to the timeline.

What I find interesting with looking at the timeline differently is that DS II said that MP "left" around 4pm. If she arrived at the condo at 3:18pm and then left and drove to DS II's parent's house to drop off the twins, then the 4pm time fits rather well with the time that she may have arrived.

Is it possible that the witness that saw DS II at his parents house was arriving home from work and drove by, saw DS II in the driveway with his truck at 4:30pm? If yes, then maybe DS II was at the house before 4:30pm.

Do we know if DS II worked on the 17th and if he did, do we know what time he left or where he was working? I couldn't find that information when I went looking, but I could've easily missed it.

 

[imamaze]

Its not necessary to post a link to anything with an opinion, only if someone is stating something as fact.

Its ok to ask questions that's what we do here, its ok to have an opinion we all do.

If you want to post a link that shows something different that's good too.

:tyou:

Ima

ETA...

If you a posting something as fact and somone is asking for a link, then please do so, if its an opinion then let everyone know its your opinion.

Ima

 

[Lark2]

No, I am saying that LE can't see who is driving the hummer, so they can't assume she is. But why so late as a cutoff?

This is news to me that LE can't see who is driving the Hummer. Was this annnounced in MSM???

 

[uscgirl]

I don't know if we are allowed to link to Michelle's missing facebook page but I think Yvonne has a different time frame for her going missing than we are working with. If what she states is correct we are off by 48 minutes. Meaning they think she went missing 48 minutes before that time stamp on the video of 3:18. They also have a spread of about 3 hours and 48 minutes. I am not sure why the difference but that would mean that maybe she didn't drive that hummer to the condo. It could be that since they can't ID the person driving into the condo, that they can't assume it was her and this accounts for the difference in the time line. It really doesn't tell us much, other than they are not taking anything for granted in this case.

I don't remember them saying she went missing at 2:30 but that it was the last time she was seen by them. Is there a link to where the family said that?

 

[ginert]

I don't remember them saying she went missing at 2:30 but that it was the last time she was seen by them. Is there a link to where the family said that?

Yes, they are not saying that she was taken at 2:30pm, but the fact that they use that time changes the timeline in this case I think. From how I interpreted articles and posts here, the consensus was that the timeline started at 3:18pm when she arrived at DS’s condo. By her family stating 2:30pm, it shows that maybe it is possible that it was not her in the hummer at 3:18pm which surprises me. I think this opens up a few more possibilities to when she went missing.

 

[nobodynoz]

What I think they are saying is the babysitter is the last person to see Michelle. If Michelle got to the sitters in Waterford Lakes at 2:30 she probably stayed a few minutes, then she had to load the twins up to leave for Dale's. 15-20 minutes? It would take about 20 mins to drive from Waterford to Dale's.

Can I jump in here and ask what this is about a "babysitter"? I don't recall anyone suggesting that before. We didn't even know where the daycare was located before this, and it was thought to be something that we couldn't know. And now there's suddenly an indication that it's a babysitter who lives in Waterford Lakes? I know that opinions don't require links, but I think perhaps that little tidbit or two of information requires a link.

And respectfully, as far as requesting a link for the other info that's been discussed on here this morning, I understand that we don't need to link for opinions only, but hasn't someone stated that the family has a different timeline? That's not someone's opinion here, I think, that's something that would have to be substantiated, in my opinion. Always, always, in my opinion. lol

 

[Pias]

She didn't have the kids with her at the salon. If Dale picked the kids up from daycare, or sitter, she would have said so. So Michelle had to have picked up the kids and then traveled back towards the condo.

That still sets the clock back to 2:30, according to your 48 minute statement. The family says she left the salon at 2:30.

She isn't a genie. She didn't just snap her fingers and arrive at the daycare and it appears she successfully got the children, as no alarms are set off there by what we know. I'm missing you here. Sorry.

 

[Pias]

my point is, there is little room for the entire 48 minutes to be called 'a window.' Some of it, yes. All of it, no. Not unless OTHER information we have been provided is inaccurate. MOO

 

[Jazzmaster]

I wonder why Dale had to hide behind Buck Fuddy to claim Michelle was an escort and as he claims "Sell sex for money"? If this were your missing ex and mother of your children would you throw that out there? Or is this why he made her disappear? IMO He sure seems to have a lot of hate for her to make that kind of claim...

 

[nobodynoz]

I wonder why Dale had to hide behind Buck Fuddy to claim Michelle was an escort and as he claims "Sell sex for money"? If this were your missing ex and mother of your children would you throw that out there? Or is this why he made her disappear? IMO He sure seems to have a lot of hate for her to make that kind of claim...

I have to say that when I saw those Buck Fuddy screen shots that Sparky posted yesterday—and they seem certain to confirm that DS II was using that alias--and then heard that he used that alias to suggest that Michelle was an escort—that threw me for a loop.

I’ve tried not to approach this case emotionally, but that was disturbing to me on a whole other level. How could he suggest such a thing about Michelle under another guise? Maybe he did tell LE about this, and we just don’t know? But then, why would he feel the need to use it as a smear tactic like that. My head is spinning about that.

All MOO

 

[Kamille]

I have to say that when I saw those Buck Fuddy screen shots that Sparky posted yesterday—and they seem certain to confirm that DS II was using that alias--and then heard that he used that alias to suggest that Michelle was an escort—that threw me for a loop.

I’ve tried not to approach this case emotionally, but that was disturbing to me on a whole other level. How could he suggest such a thing about Michelle under another guise? Maybe he did tell LE about this, and we just don’t know? But then, why would he feel the need to use it as a smear tactic like that. My head is spinning about that.

All MOO

That post by the stepmother was put on a site that is frequented by people in DSJr's circle. He was likely alerted to it by one of those people...if not several. This angered him no doubt because she dared to invade his personal world of jedi friends. So he quickly shot off a nasty accusation in the guise of someone else to retaliate.

To me this just shows a hair trigger temper. At that moment, I'm not exactly sure who he was more angry with, the stepmother or Michelle herself. :waitasec:

MOO of course.