FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - # 5

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That was strange with the red suv...Looked like officer was taking down their license number...
 
Please let whatever it is they've found lead them to Michelle.

I admire these searchers so much. They have to be exhausted physically and mentally. Please don't let them and Michelle's loved ones have to go through another day of this.
 
ynotdivein said:
Whoa, placing black duffel bag in larger brown paper CSU bag... thought it was maybe his "kit" but he brought it right out, set duffel next to two smaller/grocery-size brown paper bags, then bagged the duffel, which did not look empty IMO
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I hate saying this...but other than and unless it is solely personal effects they are bagging...they may not be finding a whole intact person....:(

I hate typing that...:maddening:
 
I am wondering if they are searching for something that was supposed to be in DS's house and wasn't (like a backpack, duffle bag or something). This would explain the LE comment " we didn't find what we were looking for"
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Something was just collected and put in the Crime Scene Unit van.
I saw two paper grocery size bags opened, something put in and carried back to the unit.
A larger paper sack was opened and it looked like a green garbage bag and one of the paper bags put in it.
A maroon SUV(?) just drove off after LE wrote tag number.
Did that vehicle bring something to the searchers?
 
Is there no roof on 1/2 of the one building I keep seeing. That would seem like a good place to look...although most people without a helicopter view wouldn't know there was no roof....
 
By the 6000 address of the lake. The heli just zoomed in on it.

ETA: Dare I say it was shaped like a Star Wars ship with a pointy-like front.
 
Heli cameraman just focused in clearly and for a few seconds on "Galaxy 6000" monument in front of office building near search site...
 
I came in late but what is the temp in the area right now? Are the waters cool yet? I'm thinking gators hibernating at this time possibly? TIA
 
gitana1 said:
I missed it too. But parental rights are constitutional rights in our country and the courts have to tread very lightly when dealing with them. Suspicion that someone may have committed a serious crime is not always/usually enough unless the crime has to do with the abuse of children.

If they can't provide evidence that he is neglecting or putting the kids in harm's way, the judge's hands are somewhat tied. It's scary because he or she knows that if true, he could kill the kids or use them as hostages. But until there is concrete proof of his involvement, the judge is wary of issuing an appealable order.

Comparing it to the Susan Powell case, child *advertiser censored*, essentially, was found in the house where the kids were. The grandfather they were living with was arrested for child *advertiser censored* and voyeurism. The father has no job, no means of support and has not been cooperative with police at all. Also, the story he gave about where he was with the kids when Susan went missing is one that shows he puts the children's welfare second.

We need those facts here. What we do have, Dale's criminal record, for example, was not used to bar him from visitation in Michelle's case against him so it is hard to suddenly claim that it makes a difference now (although I would certainly argue that it does). But that past, coupled with suspicion now, needs to be anchored to more concrete evidence of his involvement and/or evidence that the children are in immediate harm's way.

If there was evidence that he had ever been suicidal in the past, that would help, for example. I think his battery arrests and the one restraining order from Michelle, though, along with the current situation, could be massaged by a creative judge but it is a fine line and a real stretch. I have no doubt that the judge was very nervous making his or her decision but in emergency hearings, the standard of proof is higher than in regular custody proceedings. So, the judge is not looking at merely the best interests of the children, but at whether there is a current and definable emergency justifying their removal.

We see what's going on as that emergency. Courts usually do not.
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What surprised me most was that a guardian ad litem had been appointed and the GAL advised the judge that s/he thought the twins were in danger being left in the custody of their father. S/he cited several reasons and recommended Michelle's mother be awarded temp custody.

In my experience, judges' usually give the GAL testimony heavy weight. Before I realized a GAL had been appointed, and soon after heard about his/her testimony & recommendation, I assumed we would be disappointed by his ruling.
 
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