FL - Sarah Boone, 42, charged with murdering boyfriend Jorge Torres, 42, by leaving him locked in suitcase, Winter Park, Feb 2020

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Because the answers to these questions legally mean something. The answers can make the difference in whether an interrogation is considered custodial vs. noncustodial. This, in turn, determines when and/or whether Miranda warnings need to be given.

I had no idea! Thank you for that information.
 
Owens has filed *another* amended motion today to suppress the two hour interrogation. This time, he included some case law and citations! Only took him an initial filing and then two amended filings to get that included. Orange County Clerk of Courts Records Search

My notes/observations from today's hearing:

The judge has watched the entire two hour interrogation video prior to today's hearing. The female detective (CK) who interviewed Sarah is in the courtroom to testify. Owens asks CK if she agrees she didn't read out the last line on the Miranda card when reading the rights to Sarah. The state objects. The judge says to Owens, "Of the case law you provided to me, none of it stands for the proposition. Miranda identifies the four things that need to be addressed. Not one of the cases talks about the issue of not reading that language at the bottom of the card... So how is it relevant for today?" Owens gives up on questioning CK for awhile and debates the judge on this issue. Owens, seeming to be grasping at straws here, argues it means Sarah was coerced into being interrogated and CK's intent was to deceive Sarah into talking.

Owens goes back to questioning CK. She says she's had the same physical Miranda card, issued by the department, for a few years and it does not contain the last question that Owens is referring to ("With these rights in mind, do you wish to speak to me?"). CK says there are multiple version of Miranda cards that the department uses and the one she has doesn't have that question on it. Owens continues with questions and the state repeatedly objects on the grounds of relevance and the judge rules many of the objections as sustained.

The judge finally says that the question "With these rights in mind, do you wish to speak to me?" are not part of Miranda. Case law about Miranda list what's required and that question is not part of it, so what's Owens even going on about? Owens admits this but continues arguing that CK failed to do her job by not asking if Sarah *wanted* to talk after being read the rights and "the court should consider" that. Owens seems like he's floundering here, IMO.

CK is dismissed. Then Owens calls Sarah up to testify! She says she was worried, confused, hungover, etc. when being questioned by CK which Owens seems to want to imply those factors may have influenced her agreement to talk to CK. The state objects as none of that was in his written motion to suppress. The judge isn't happy with Owens playing "20 questions" with Sarah. The state comes up to cross examine Sarah and gets her to admit that she was under the influence of alcohol (still, from the night before) when she was interviewed by CK. The state argues that Sarah's memory isn't reliable as she was under the influence of alcohol and as such, she can't be a reliable witness in this hearing.

The judge will review everything and provide his decision in a written motion by the end of day tomorrow.

Regarding the motion for Sarah to have her makeup done, hair styled, clothing provided, and no restraints for the trial, the judge says Owens can coordinate with the jail staff to drop off clothing for Sarah to wear on the trial days but she will be wearing leg restraints. Owens says he has "two females on the team" who can do Sarah's hair and makeup. The judge initially says Owens's staff can do Sarah's hair and makeup in the court room after Sarah is brought in but before court is called to order, but then court staff says Sarah would be brought back to the jail at the end of the day with makeup on which would be contraband so having makeup put on in the court room isn't going to happen.

They move on. The judge wants to talk about Owens's witness list that included staff from the state attorney's office, and the state's subsequent motion to prevent these people from testifying due to state laws protecting them. Owens wants to have them testify about Sarah and Jorge's past arrest history and whether or not Sarah requested DV charges against Jorge be dropped, which the state then says is protected information they cannot provide in testimony. The judge says he'll provide a written decision on this by tomorrow, too.
 
I watched part of this today , but really I have flipped back an forth on this case kinda. Just watching it . For the life of me why has this case not worked out a plea ?
 
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I watched part of this today , but really I have flipped back an forth on this case kinda. Just watching it . For the life of me why has this case not worked out a plea ?
I'm guessing her royal pain in the highnass won't plead guilty to anything and the State won't entertain lesser charges.

But the JMO.
 
I'm guessing her royal pain in the highnass won't plead guilty to anything and the State won't entertain lesser charges.

But the JMO.
It just really does make any logical sense . On either side. I get she is a silly child like creature and doesnt fully understand , I am one too but the state has had to offer something in negotiations. Have you heard?
 
It just really does make any logical sense . On either side. I get she is a silly child like creature and doesnt fully understand , I am one too but the state has had to offer something in negotiations. Have you heard?

I disagree. I think she fully understands what's going on. Sure, she doesn't understand all of the intricate court processes and rules (but who does, unless you're a lawyer?) but I think she's completely aware of what happened and what's happening around her.
 
The judge finally says that the question "With these rights in mind, do you wish to speak to me?" are not part of Miranda. Case law about Miranda list what's required and that question is not part of it, so what's Owens even going on about? Owens admits this but continues arguing that CK failed to do her job by not asking if Sarah *wanted* to talk after being read the rights and "the court should consider" that. Owens seems like he's floundering here, IMO.
BBM
Just reading this small part (especially the bolded), Owens reminds me of Sarah. He won’t take “No” for an answer. They are made for each other.
 
It just really does make any logical sense . On either side. I get she is a silly child like creature and doesnt fully understand , I am one too but the state has had to offer something in negotiations. Have you heard?

Negotiations were made by Owens when he first considered taking the case. I distinctly recall he stated that he worked hard on this but 'terms could not be agreed'. That was when he told SB he wouldn't take her case.

IMO SB won't accept anything short of walking out of court free which as we know isn't going to happen. I also think that SB very much enjoys living on the dorm in Jail and isn't looking to change that situation in a hurry.
 
Negotiations were made by Owens when he first considered taking the case. I distinctly recall he stated that he worked hard on this but 'terms could not be agreed'. That was when he told SB he wouldn't take her case.

IMO SB won't accept anything short of walking out of court free which as we know isn't going to happen. I also think that SB very much enjoys living on the dorm in Jail and isn't looking to change that situation in a hurry.
She is so different .
 
I disagree. I think she fully understands what's going on. Sure, she doesn't understand all of the intricate court processes and rules (but who does, unless you're a lawyer?) but I think she's completely aware of what happened and what's happening around her.
I dont understand how you believe she understands fully what is going on ,yet you , said what you said . Make it make sense .
''-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- so your words.

I disagree. I think she fully understands what's going on. Sure, she doesn't understand all of the intricate court processes and rules (but who does, unless you're a lawyer?) but I think she's completely aware of what happened and what's happening around her.
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sasha17-- look at me . Fully understanding something is the complete opposite of not understanding something.
 
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I disagree. I think she fully understands what's going on. Sure, she doesn't understand all of the intricate court processes and rules (but who does, unless you're a lawyer?) but I think she's completely aware of what happened and what's happening around her.
BBM
Just reading this small part (especially the bolded), Owens reminds me of Sarah. He won’t take “No” for an answer. They are made for each other.
Tax payee's should not have to pay for ego's .
 
She is so different .

Sure is! However, the chaotic and painful life of living in full time alcoholism in a violent relationship (even if it was her perpetrating violence) is a living hell. Chances are she's on this dorm with so many vulnerable women, many of whom don't have English as a first language or who she can feel superior over. Plus she's made friends in there and I don't think she had any on the outside.

Her jail records (which various youtubers go through line by line) show someone who is very involved in the dorm, frequently getting written up as helpful for doing cleaning. She also gets many many write ups for rule breaches and arguing back with officers. Now and then, she has little hoards of inexplicable contraband items which probably mean something to prisoners where they don't to us. She's probably got little side hustles going on, JMO.

She could even be running the whole show - she's surely one of the longest staying non-convicted prisoners in history and this means that she will have been in that jail dorm for years and years longer than the women passing through.

She herself mentions 'friends' in the dorm and her write ups involve other women's names sometimes so she does have friends / allies. She looks far more healthy in jail than she did on the outside. I'm firmly convinced for her it's like one long Girl Scout camping trip. She's in no hurry to leave.
 
Sure is! However, the chaotic and painful life of living in full time alcoholism in a violent relationship (even if it was her perpetrating violence) is a living hell. Chances are she's on this dorm with so many vulnerable women, many of whom don't have English as a first language or who she can feel superior over. Plus she's made friends in there and I don't think she had any on the outside.

Her jail records (which various youtubers go through line by line) show someone who is very involved in the dorm, frequently getting written up as helpful for doing cleaning. She also gets many many write ups for rule breaches and arguing back with officers. Now and then, she has little hoards of inexplicable contraband items which probably mean something to prisoners where they don't to us. She's probably got little side hustles going on, JMO.

She could even be running the whole show - she's surely one of the longest staying non-convicted prisoners in history and this means that she will have been in that jail dorm for years and years longer than the women passing through.

She herself mentions 'friends' in the dorm and her write ups involve other women's names sometimes so she does have friends / allies. She looks far more healthy in jail than she did on the outside. I'm firmly convinced for her it's like one long Girl Scout camping trip. She's in no hurry to leave.
She sounds self made to me , but as a tax payer .. unzip her in 10 to 15 ... nough said .
 
Re the Miranda rights and the phone video footage etc. What gets me about these incessant time wasting quibbles of Owens is that the theme of it is 'if you hadn't tricked my client into speaking to detectives or handing over her phone, she'd have never been caught for murdering JT'.

Well it's one thing to fight for people's rights and ensure correct process is upheld but it's quite another to quite openly suggest detectives really should have let SB free and never asked any questions or looked at her phone. It seems Miranda was sufficiently read out, this has been established, and the phone was correctly covered by paperwork.

SB was silly to speak to detectives without asking for a lawyer. How ever, had she hired a lawyer right at the beginning, she'd still have been in the same predicament - being charged with the murder of JT. It would have gone straight to a plea deal no doubt but she's refused all plea deals and hasn't been willing / able to work with eight consecutive lawyers, so she'd be in the same situation.

Unless the suggestion by Owens is that a lawyer ought to be called to assist a perpetrator destroy evidence (the phone) and evade questioning. In which case LE would have had a harder time to put a case against SB without the phone footage, no statements or account of what had happened from the scene or when questioned.

These quibbles of Owens are starting to come off as deliberately time wasting and disingenuous and IMO he's risking bringing his own reputation into disrepute and that of his profession. JMO MOO
 
Sure is! However, the chaotic and painful life of living in full time alcoholism in a violent relationship (even if it was her perpetrating violence) is a living hell. Chances are she's on this dorm with so many vulnerable women, many of whom don't have English as a first language or who she can feel superior over. Plus she's made friends in there and I don't think she had any on the outside.

Her jail records (which various youtubers go through line by line) show someone who is very involved in the dorm, frequently getting written up as helpful for doing cleaning. She also gets many many write ups for rule breaches and arguing back with officers. Now and then, she has little hoards of inexplicable contraband items which probably mean something to prisoners where they don't to us. She's probably got little side hustles going on, JMO.

She could even be running the whole show - she's surely one of the longest staying non-convicted prisoners in history and this means that she will have been in that jail dorm for years and years longer than the women passing through.

She herself mentions 'friends' in the dorm and her write ups involve other women's names sometimes so she does have friends / allies. She looks far more healthy in jail than she did on the outside. I'm firmly convinced for her it's like one long Girl Scout camping trip. She's in no hurry to leave.
Thank you @Observe_dont_Absorb ….. appreciate this perspective.

Respectfully, at the same time, is there evidence in this case that the defendant SB is living in full time alcoholism? And during the time of the alleged offenses? (And apologies if I have missed that disclosure…… there is much to follow in this case.)

And even if she was, IMO there are many many other options besides the one(s) that she appears to have chosen. Many struggle with addictions of all sorts. And yet many of those I imagine same individuals don’t resort to the measures she chose and used. Those that resulted in the death of JT. IMO any attempts to discount or excuse the actions and behavior of SB in this case on that belief or condition might be imprudent. MOO
 
Thank you @Observe_dont_Absorb ….. appreciate this perspective.

Respectfully, at the same time, is there evidence in this case that the defendant SB is living in full time alcoholism? And during the time of the alleged offenses? (And apologies if I have missed that disclosure…… there is much to follow in this case.)

And even if she was, IMO there are many many other options besides the one(s) that she appears to have chosen. Many struggle with addictions of all sorts. And yet many of those I imagine same individuals don’t resort to the measures she chose and used. Those that resulted in the death of JT. IMO any attempts to discount or excuse the actions and behavior of SB in this case on that belief or condition might be imprudent. MOO
In addition, she has been sober* in jail for almost 5 years, but has still managed to run through many (eight?) attorneys, skillfully playing the manipulative game of delay. She is dangerous whether drunk or sober.

*I realize that she is still an alcoholic even if sober. My Dad was what is known as a “dry drunk,” still using the same manipulative tactics he used when he was drinking. Whatever personality disorder(s) SB has were present when she killed her bf, drunk or not. None of this gives SB a “hall pass” for murder.

JMO
 
Thank you @Observe_dont_Absorb ….. appreciate this perspective.

Respectfully, at the same time, is there evidence in this case that the defendant SB is living in full time alcoholism? And during the time of the alleged offenses? (And apologies if I have missed that disclosure…… there is much to follow in this case.)

And even if she was, IMO there are many many other options besides the one(s) that she appears to have chosen. Many struggle with addictions of all sorts. And yet many of those I imagine same individuals don’t resort to the measures she chose and used. Those that resulted in the death of JT. IMO any attempts to discount or excuse the actions and behavior of SB in this case on that belief or condition might be imprudent. MOO

Yes there is plenty of evidence and testimony to the fact that she was a chronic alcohol user prior to being in jail.

My point, as per my original post, is that SB is probably enjoying being on remand in jail in the dormitory with many other women where she appears to be thriving. And hence maybe why she's not in a hurry to go to big girl prison for the long haul. I suggest you read my post again.
 
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