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mollymalone said:
(Blowing raspberry) Just what's needed in that town right now. I guess since Fox and CNN and the rest interviewed the FLDS members first she's got to make up for lost time.
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If this proves true, my take is that she and her advisers only now realized how explosive an issue this is. I do not know if she could make it a bigger issue, but her involvement (if true) would appear to be more than a bit self-serving. It's not like Oprah just learned of the FLDS Mormons yesterday.
 
mollymalone said:
(Blowing raspberry) Just what's needed in that town right now. I guess since Fox and CNN and the rest interviewed the FLDS members first she's got to make up for lost time.
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And her presence may have nothing to do with this at all but she's filming a show on a different topic. She's already done shows on polygamists, etc. Why appear now?
 
Ladybass0711 said:
3:21 p.m. - An attorney for parents objects to the line of questioning about Jeffs, noting that, "He's in jail somewhere."
It turns out that Jeffs is the father of the child the attorney is representing.
Another child's attorney asks: Isn't it true that Mr. Jeffs not only encourages marriage between older men and underage girls, but he also participates in it himself - a 40-year-old who marries underage girls?
It's not a case of some sort of "leering" yen for underage girls, the expert says. Instead, what probably happens is that Jeffs sees that a girl has reached adulthood as defined by the community, and then he offers the girl the opportunity for marriage.
Does he offer that opportunity to girls as young as 14? the attorney said.
Laughter breaks out.
"I don't have personal knowledge" of every offer he's made," the expert says. Jeffs has recommended younger girls than his predecessors did for marriage, he says.
How young? the attorney asks.
"Thirteen is the youngest he's recommended," the expert says.
The FLDS members believe they have a sacred responsibility to help all the children of God come down from their state of "pre-mortality" so that they can have the chance to go to heaven, he says.
"They believe that having children is their sacred calling," the expert says.
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Yeah, he "offers", let's call it like it is, coerces them into marriage with an old fart instead of someone their age that they might be more naturally attracted to.
 
Ladybass0711 said:
3:42 p.m. - Rumors, fueled by the passage of a black limousine, resurface among crowds outside the courthouse that Oprah is in town. Her rumored location is Miss Hattie's.
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Absolutely NOT NEEDED at the moment !!!! :mad:
 
3:33 p.m. - "Most FLDS men have never even seen their wives naked, no matter how long they've been married," the expert offers under questioning from yet another child's attorney.
They wear religious garments at all times, long-john type garments, he says. They don't take them off during sex.
The FLDS members also have conservative family values, the expert says.

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2008/apr/18/live-from-the-courthouse-day-2-of-updates-from/
 
Ladybass0711 said:
3:21 p.m. - An attorney for parents objects to the line of questioning about Jeffs, noting that, "He's in jail somewhere."
It turns out that Jeffs is the father of the child the attorney is representing.
Another child's attorney asks: Isn't it true that Mr. Jeffs not only encourages marriage between older men and underage girls, but he also participates in it himself - a 40-year-old who marries underage girls?
It's not a case of some sort of "leering" yen for underage girls, the expert says. Instead, what probably happens is that Jeffs sees that a girl has reached adulthood as defined by the community, and then he offers the girl the opportunity for marriage.
Does he offer that opportunity to girls as young as 14? the attorney said.
Laughter breaks out.
"I don't have personal knowledge" of every offer he's made," the expert says. Jeffs has recommended younger girls than his predecessors did for marriage, he says.
How young? the attorney asks.
"Thirteen is the youngest he's recommended," the expert says.
The FLDS members believe they have a sacred responsibility to help all the children of God come down from their state of "pre-mortality" so that they can have the chance to go to heaven, he says.
"They believe that having children is their sacred calling," the expert says.
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Well Jews have bar and bat-mitzvahs at age 13, because they are considered adults in Jewish law, but this doesn't mean you literally go have sex with them!:doh: Also what was commonplace 200 years ago, they didn't live beyond their 30's.
 
3:40 p.m. - A father's attorney asks the expert witness on religion: What do you know of a "house of hiding" mentioned in some documents?
The FLDS has been persecuted at times in its 180-year history, the expert says, so it has had to have places for people to go to hide out. But, he says, if authorities were seeking a child molester among the FLDS, then the other members would not be prone to help him.
The judge moves the civil hearing along by calling for questions from the mothers' attorneys.
"Obviously, we're not going to get through by 4 o'clock, but I still hope to get through by sundown," the judge says.

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2008/apr/18/live-from-the-courthouse-day-2-of-updates-from/
 
Ladybass0711 said:
3:33 p.m. - "Most FLDS men have never even seen their wives naked, no matter how long they've been married," the expert offers under questioning from yet another child's attorney.
They wear religious garments at all times, long-john type garments, he says. They don't take them off during sex.
The FLDS members also have conservative family values, the expert says.
Why are there more girls than boys at the ranch, another child's attorney asks.
"Normally, during the teenage years, the boys will begin working outside the community to earn money," the expert says.
The next child's attorney says: Are there are other reasons that FLDS boys go outside the community?
The expert doesn't know.
"Do you know what the phrase, 'Be sweet' means, sir?" the attorney says.
It generally means to follow the example of Christ and don't give in to anger, the expert says.
"Would you say that those girls have any real choice to decline (marriage), or are they pressured so much that they pretty much have to agree?" the attorney says.
In some cases, the reasons for the rejection have led to the girl having to leave the community because it creates too much tension, the expert says. In other cases, that hasn't happened.
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A polite way of saying "shut up and take it"
 
:laugh:
Having seen pictures of some of the FLDS men, I hope for these women's sake that works both ways.
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Well, you know, that superior gene pool and all that. :sick:
 
LinasK said:
A polite way of saying "shut up and take it"
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Disingenuous of the expert to say he doesn't know of any other reason the boys would be out of their homes!!
Especially if they're such an expert on the flds they would know about the lost boys. Seems to me this expert is sugar coating the testimony.

Edited to add: Oh sure, they'd turn over a child molester to the authorities. That's why they hid Jeffs and his henchmen when they were being sought by those same authorities. That's why they move the children out of the community to another one when authorities get too close to the truth.
 
Ladybass0711 said:
3:33 p.m. - "
Why are there more girls than boys at the ranch, another child's attorney asks.
"Normally, during the teenage years, the boys will begin working outside the community to earn money," the expert says.
The next child's attorney says: Are there are other reasons that FLDS boys go outside the community?
The expert doesn't know.
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If this isn't an understatement, I don't know what is !!!!!!!!!!

Geez Louise !!!!!!!!!!! How much is this guy getting paid by the FLDS?
 
3:54 p.m. - "What's the significance of bishop's records?" an attorney says.
They can be records of births, marriages, deaths, ordinations, that sort of thing, the expert answers.
The next question is about "lost boys."
That's a term used by the outside world to refer to teen boys expelled from the community - not the FLDS, the expert says. A lot of boys reaching their teenage years begin rebelling against spending all their free time singing hymns, praying and pursuing other spiritual endeavors.

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2008/apr/18/live-from-the-courthouse-day-2-of-updates-from/
 
I hope they have extra security for when the decision is announced, I can envision the reaction. They need security both at the courthouse and where the children are.
 
I wish that the state could put up an 'expert witness' to counter this
paid-for-hack, someone who would cut thru all the BS this guy is stating (Flora or Carolyn perhaps? or someone else who lived this life with these specific men)

I guess that type of rebuttal would only take place in a criminal trial, but it seems only fair here!
 
mollymalone said:
Disingenuous of the expert to say he doesn't know of any other reason the boys would be out of their homes!!
Especially if they're such an expert on the flds they would know about the lost boys. Seems to me this expert is sugar coating the testimony.

Edited to add: Oh sure, they'd turn over a child molester to the authorities. That's why they hid Jeffs and his henchmen when they were being sought by those same authorities. That's why they move the children out of the community to another one when authorities get too close to the truth.
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Someone should have asked him to define "child molester" :rolleyes:

He's either an idiot or a pedophile.
 
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